Capitalism is the natural state of economics. Marxism requires a dogmatic religious belief.

That’s why Marxism will always fail.

>>17822725 (OP)
>Capitalism is the natural state of economics.
And? That doesn’t make it automatically good

>>17822733
It has to be modified, naturally. But you can’t have a civilization without capital.

>yes you can chud

Ok, then let’s embargo all nations that support communism

>NO WAI-ACK!

>>17822725 (OP)
>murder and theft are natural states of humanity, opposing murder and theft requires a dogmatic religious belief

>>17822743
No they arent, dumb comparison

>murder and theft are natural states of humanity, opposing murder and theft requires a dogmatic religious belief

>>17822725 (OP)
Marxism = retarded psychopathic shitskin behaviour.

trying to argue with retards is completely pointless, because they don't even understand their own argument

retarded mystery meat latinx chud whose entire beliefs are based around getting bullied by black kids making an argument that an economic system invented at the earliest in the late middle ages is "the natural state" of "economics" is baffling - until you understand that the chud could never even explain what capitalism is

>>17822820
>everyone who doesn't agree with me is a brown loser

>>17822725 (OP)
>Capitalism is the natural state of economics. Marxism requires a dogmatic religious belief.
Nah. What I got from Marxism is that social/political superstructures that stand in the way of expanding production will eventually get reformed/overthrown for new ones. This is because as societies enter into contact with each other, they compete, and the more advanced societies will win, and since humans don't willingly let themselves get vanquished, they will set about either trying to change their systems so as to better compete. That doesn't imply they'll choose socialism or that a planned economy WWI-style (which is really what the Soviet economy was) is what's suitable for any particular society in any given time and place.

>>17822725 (OP)
Corporatism is not capitalism.

Actually libertarian socialism is the natural state of economics. Capitalism requires force to maintain non-usufructory property relations. In other words, use defines ownership in nature. Rent and owning more than you can use is unnatural.

>>17822820
Capitalism didn’t develop during the Middle Ages, that’s a midwit take. Capital has existed in all civilized societies, yes even in feudal societies and Ancient Rome.

And yes, Marxism requires religious, somatic belief, and no you will never, ever have a society without capital no capital or hierarchy- that’s utopian bullshit (like all religious dogma)

>>17823062
Sorry for the errors in this post, I’m a large language model that’s still in training.

>>17822749
>nuhuh *feet*
brave

>>17823062
you actually dont know what capitalism even is
>pic rel
what marx got wrong was not realizing that the collapse of capitalism leads to fascism, not communism. we've already seen this happen time and time again in history and we are going to see it again

>>17822725 (OP)
>Capitalism is the natural state of economics
No

>an economic system invented at the earliest in the late middle ages
What?

>>17823070
Wrong dumbfuck, capital and hierarchy have existed across all civilizations.

>the collapse of capitalism leads to fascism

I wish lmfao, fascism takes active and effort to maintain. Ecofascism would be the best path forward for humanity, but yall ain’t ready for that conversation.

>>17823085
>Ecofascism would be the best path forward for humanity, but yall ain’t ready for that conversation.
if capitalism is the natural state of things what conversation is there to have? maybe you should remove the namefag to stop embarrassing yourself

Technically the commie shitskins are right about their cruel, degenerate regimes not being "real communism" because if we're going by the books, Marx said the dictatorship of the proletariat would have to be dissolved at some point, which never happens because that's how they retain power and all the privilege and all the slaves they make.

>>17823032
Preventing people from trading with each other requires more force than protecting property rights and enforcing contracts.

>>17823221
capitalism does not mean trading. you can have socialism with markets

>>17823221
Trading is not at issue. There is plenty of free trading in Libertarian Socialism. What there isn't, is non-usufructory property rights or "sticky" property. You can't own what you can't use.

In order to exercise ownership over something you can't use, you need to use force to keep others from using it.

>>17823090
This isn’t even a response to what I said.

Stop wasting site bandwidth.

nature is might makes right, law of whim by the strongest
capitalism is way better than that, it rewards cooperation and value production instead of the threat of destruction

>>17822725 (OP)
Appeal to nature fallacy, next

>>17822725 (OP)
TRVTH NVKE