They once had a powerful, influential, and prestigious civilization. They produced such iconic philosophers, traders, artists, seafarers, scientists, etc. Their economy was very strong, and they even had their own proto-industrial revolution in the Song Dynasty. The entire East Asian field, including Japan and Korea, was highly influenced by them (at some point, they were the ones living in mud huts when the Chinese were already building cities).

But nowadays, they are associated with corrupt governance, cheap knock-off products, consuming dogs, and obnoxious tourists overseas. What happened?

>What happened?

>>17822745
i'd say china did more damage to itself than any foreign intervention

>>17822736 (OP)
>What happened?
You watched too much globohomo propaganda

>>17822771
>propaganda is responsible for me believing Chink wares are cheap, scam-tier garbage
You live in your own reality, the cope dimension

>>17822736 (OP)
>>17822811
americans will keep whining about inferiority of chinese products while everyone in the world is buying them and no one wants american ones... pretty weird, isnt it

>>17822811
there are a billion chinese people
1/8 of the global population

of course expect some chinks to act like barbaric savages, whereas there are also super intellectual chinks

>>17822842
this
at least shit chinese products are affordable
amerimutt products are shit and expensive

>>17822846
The real reason is East Asians have smaller forebrains because of Denisovan and Neanderthal admixture. Not joking.

>>17822736 (OP)
>But nowadays, they are associated with corrupt governance, cheap knock-off products, consuming dogs, and obnoxious tourists overseas. What happened?
It was a gradual process.
When chinese historiography started being translated into european languages at the height of the Victorian era, people started to notice that China... changed rulers quite a lot for something considered to be an eternal state. Add to that the literal caste system the Qing established over all native chinese, the various ass-whooping they got from European and non-European nations around them as the Manchu Qing got complacent on their throne, and the absolutely horrendous civil war they fought against a pseudo-christian sectarian movement that was the bloodiest war in History at the time, and their credibility tanked massively as we entered the XXth Century.
China was, by then, a feudal shithole, and lots of reformists didn't like that. But with china having no democratic tradition this meant that reformists had authoritarian tendencies, even the more democratic ones that eventually usurped the Qing monarchy. After a veritable epic of internal coup and sabotage, the country kind of dissolved into warlord states recognizing (or not) the central government of the Kuomintang, which despite being a "democratic" nation was very much an eternal presidence under Chiang Kai-Shek.
After a bloody war against the japanese uniting a particular communist warlord, Mao Zedong, and the KMT, the ceasefire between the two states ended, and the KMT was totally fucked in the ass by the superior morale of the exhausted but determined to unite the mainland communist chinese. So they fucked off to Taiwan, but Mao thought that every woes of the Chinese people was due to chinese folk culture, so he brutally repressed it for a socialist culture copied off Stalin's handbook. Eventually he died off, and his successors decided that obliterating chinese culture did not work.

>>17822736 (OP)
>They once had a powerful, influential, and prestigious civilization.
That fell behind and became isolated.

>But nowadays, they are associated with corrupt governance, cheap knock-off products, consuming dogs, and obnoxious tourists overseas.
Are you trapped in the late 90s/early 2000s?

>>17822887
At this point anyone can make up BS reasons to explain anything they want.

>>17822977
There was a study published several years ago comparing Caucasian (the study's label) and East Asian brain proportions and there was a separate one measuring archaic hominid genes. Attributing the different brain proportions to the archaic hominid genes is my own inference.

>>17822989
>Attributing the different brain proportions to the archaic hominid genes is my own inference.
And it's a shitty one considering how minute non saying DNA is in humans and the sheer vast majority of it being junk DNA that doesn't get used.

>>17822991
>archaic hominid: smaller forebrain
>modern human: bigger forebrain
>East Asian: more archaic hominid genes, smaller forebrain
>West Eurasian: less archaic hominid genes, bigger forebrain

>>17822736 (OP)
>Their economy was very strong
It's stronger today
>But nowadays, they are associated with corrupt governance
I don't think China was ever known for being particularly democratic
>obnoxious tourists overseas
I don't think China was ever known for having likeable tourists. In the 1700s all Chinese men wore pigtails and smoked opium

>>17823000
And you still didn't grasp what I said dropout.

>>17822736 (OP)
China is still an immensely powerful and influential state by any metric.

The modern world in general is navigating a transition period after centuries of domination by European powers. The most bedrock, humdrum, mundane aspects of modern societies world wide are often adoptions or mimicries of European styles because for five hundred years European styles were synonymous with superiority and advancement - people from the tip of South America to Alaska to East Asia to inner Africa live in Western style buildings, rely on Western style infrastructure, wear Western clothing, use Western medicine, employ Western science, base their governments on Western ideologies, many even speak Western languages. Europe, like much of the world, is in a slow demographic decline but European culture is basically the lingua franca (irony intended) of modern state building. Even China, a civilization that was an entire entity unto itself for millenia could not escape this transformational moment in history. China still has its unique character and history but the infusion of Western ideology and technology into it makes modern China significantly more recognizable and less exotic to a modern lens than it would have seemed centuries ago.

>>17823034
It still demands to be a developing nation, so by its own claims it's not that powerful or influential.

>>17823034
>people from the tip of South America to Alaska to East Asia to inner Africa live in Western style buildings, rely on Western style infrastructure, wear Western clothing, use Western medicine, employ Western science, base their governments on Western ideologies, many even speak Western languages.
Really exaggerating there anon.

>>17823059
It is developing if you look at the economic growth
The west is meanwhile stagnant

>>17823034
>China still has its unique character and history but the infusion of Western ideology and technology into it makes modern China significantly more recognizable and less exotic to a modern lens than it would have seemed centuries ago.
I think it works for them having a less black/white view of the West. They do copy a hell of a lot, and I'll notice little things in propaganda videos like Chinese students studiously looking at Xi Jinping books in their college library alongside American-style varsity jackets. Like, certain ways of running an economy, and enterprise management. Science and technology. Look at their military channel after the U.S. bombed Iran and it's super Tom Clancy / Jane's / technical-tier stuff:
https://youtu.be/I7dtupiapJE

The Islamic countries have struggled with this because they have corrupt rulers who want to live in luxury and are in cahoots with the West, so you have these Islamic revivalist movements that try to overthrow the corrupt rules, but they also reject everything Western. The influence of scientific rationalism is a threat to the religion. They're in a situation that China was like during its decline.

>>17823013
And you don't understand a simple, reasonable correlation. That's all it is, not a hard fact based on experimental evidence. You also don't understand genetics. A minute amount of DNA can make a world of difference.

>>17823142
>And you don't understand a simple, reasonable correlation
You don't though.

>A minute amount of DNA can make a world of difference.
For junk DNA that doesn't work or do anything it doesn't at all. Your treating it like its Astrology.

>>17823147
Tell us more about the "junk DNA" that has absolutely nothing to do with the radically altered appearance and brain proportions of Australoids. I'm sure it's just a coincidence they have more Denisovan admixture.

>>17823165
>Tell us more about the "junk DNA" that has absolutely nothing to do with the radically altered appearance and brain proportions of Australoids
You mean them adapting to a high sun intensity environment? You do know dark skin has developed in multiple areas of the world as an adaptation right?

>>17823171
I'm not talking about skin color. That was a funny deflection though.

>>17822771
>globohomo
Anyone who uses this term unironically is browner than shit.

this is a worldwide problem

communist dysgenics

>>17823179
They still have the exact same things everyone else has.

>>17823450
>dysgenics
>infant mortality, premature deaths and more all dropped while education and access to infrastructure has drastically increased over 50+ years
You call that dysgenics?

>>17823482
>They still have the exact same things everyone else has.
Nope

>>17823450
>money makes me Aryan
Do amerimutts really