Actual proof of Christianity
>confirmed by x-ray dating in 2022 to be from the 1st century
>the only photo negative in existence created prior to the invention of photography and it's 1800 years before
>would require an immensely powerful burst of light, impossible for 1st century humans
>no traces of paints or dyes or pressure gradients from rubbing
>bears exact wounds of Jesus as described in the gospels
There is no rational explanation except that this is a photograph of the moment of the resurrection

>>17823940 (OP)
And then he began flying.

>>17823940 (OP) Good thought.

And it's ours! Take that protties!

>>17823947
Can't you?

>>17823940 (OP)
The shroud of Turin is a fake, manufactured around 1380 to 1420 the blood stains turned out to be red ochre mixed with other pigments, scientists and detectives that study art to find forgeries suggest the shroud of Turin was made by laying the cloth on a relief sculpture and coloring it where a typical wounds on a body would be wounded from crucifiction and sprinking water with dies and letting it dry in the sun so the image carved in the relief would make an impression on the cloth

The shroud of Turin is a fake meant draw tourists

>>17823997
Evidence or STFU.

>>17823940 (OP)
I only find it interesting about the shroud that Hui Neng died the same way, bursting into a pillar of light. Is it just that some holy men have this happen to them? It makes more sense for Jesus to join the legion of saints of world rather than Jews to be right.

>>17823940 (OP)
>Actual proof of Christianity
No, sorry, I have to take that away from you. Jesus was not a long haired hippy. The actual proof of Christianity is the King James Bible.

>>17823940 (OP)
What? Carbon dating proofed it was about 700 years old. Its bullshit

>>17824532
The recent cope I've seen from Catholics is that the outside of the shroud was repaired at some point and that newer cloth was what was carbon dated, hence the younger age.

>>17824536
The mental gymnastics christians will undergo instead of just acknowledging its bullshit is just unbelievable

>>17823940 (OP)
>>confirmed by x-ray dating in 2022 to be from the 1st century

It wasn't; they used an unproven method on only one controll sample admitting they had to assume precise conditions to come to the result, it wasn't repeated since because it doesn't work


>wrong weave
>carbon dating
>iconsistent with local traditions and descripion in the bible
You haven't overcome none of these

>>17824532
The op is referebcing a meme stud where some literal whos used an unproven method against a single sample of cloth dated to to the 1st century; if he bothered to read the paper itself it says they had to assume the shroud was kept in very strict enviromental condition for this to even potentially be valid and that they needed to study this method more to prove it works (they should have started with multiple samples of dated cloths and seen id the method could replicate the dates, but they didn't for some reason and jumped to testing the shroud). To this day there was no follow up

>>17823940 (OP)
We have contemporaneous accounts that the artist admitted to forging it, carbon testing to that exact century, the hands on it are anatomically incorrect, the arms are freakishly not the same length. The whole thing is a mess.
https://priory-of-sion.com/biblios/links/memorandum.html

Traditional burial practices involved two pieces of cloth. One only for the head. This is only one cloth for the entire body because it was made by a medevial forger unaware of this.

The size makes Jesus the same height as the modern American. Christ would've been head and shoulders taller than nearly everyone.

But ecclesialists won’t care. You love your idols.

>>17823940 (OP)
1. Carbon dating
2. Anatomically impossible unless jesus was completely disfigured
3. The weaving technique is much younger than the years jesus lived in

Typing shroud of turin fake and going to the comment section shows you some of the least self aware people on earth. Its hilarious
>ohhhh the shroud is fake because this guy said so
LMALO

>>17823940 (OP)
Where does the Bible mention this "intense burst of light"? Why does the earliest description of the shroud say it rises up by itself and hovers every Friday afternoon and why doesn't it do that now? Why does the next mention of the shroud call it an obvious forgery?

>>17824622
>oooooh the shroud is real because this guy said so
LMALO

Regular reminder that if you are a Protestant, its just a piece of old cloth. If you think of it as anything other than a piece of old cloth then it is a relic and a icon and you should consider what you actually believe.

>>17823940 (OP)
It is as real as the orthodogs 8th century style icon painted by a time traveling Luke.

>>17824371

>>17823940 (OP)
One of its most fascinating aspects:
>Designed in the 1970's for evaluating x-rays and for other imaging purposes, the VP-8 Image Analyzer is an analog device that converts image density (lights and darks) into vertical relief (shadows and highlights). When applied to normal photographs, the result was a distorted and inaccurate image. However, when it was applied to the Shroud, the result was an accurate, topographic image showing the correct, natural relief characteristics of a human form. These results are often referred to as "three-dimensional."

>...When input to a VP-8, a normal photograph does not result in a properly formed dimensional image but in a rather distorted jumble of light and dark "shapes." That is because the lights and darks of a normal photograph result solely from the amount of light reflected by the subject onto the film. The image densities do not depend on the distance the subject was from the film. Yet the image on the Shroud of Turin yields a very accurate dimensional relief of a human form. One must conclude from this that the image density on the cloth is directly proportionate to the distance it was from the body it covered. In essence, the closer the cloth was to the body (tip of nose, cheekbone, etc.), the darker the image, and the further away (eye sockets, neck, etc.), the fainter the image.

>*This spatial data encoded into the image actually eliminates photography and painting as the possible mechanism for its creation* and allows us to conclude that the image was formed while the cloth was draped over an actual human body. So the VP-8 Image Analyzer not only revealed a very important characteristic of the Shroud image, but historically it also provided the actual motivation to form the team that would ultimately go and investigate it. Interestingly, only sixty VP-8 Image Analyzers were ever constructed and only two remain functional today.
https://www.shroud.com/78strp10.htm

>>17824713
Enjoy Hell.

>>17823940 (OP)
I'm just really amused that God would choose to reveal himself in such an obscure, useless, falsifiable way, instead of doing something more substantive.

>>17824805
>1970s computer
>all sources are from shroud websites
>method that no one even uses
Yup, it's a shroud """""""study""""""

By the way, how this thing even works? What are those elevated shapes on the sides? Where are the arms? Or legs?

>>17824805
>Interestingly, only sixty VP-8 Image Analyzers were ever constructed and only two remain functional today.
Yeah, I wonder why? Maybe because it was a piece of shit device and no one used it?

>>17823947
I BELIEVE IN THE KIKE
I BELIEVE THE JEW TOUCHED THE SKY
I PRAY TO JEWSUS EVERY NIGHT AND DAY
AND GET TOUCHED BY MY PASTOR EVERY WAY

>>17824992
>This was shown to Peter Schumacher, the inventor of the device, and he later recalled his astonishment: "I had never heard of the Shroud of Turin before that moment. I had no idea what I was looking at. However, the results are unlike anything I have processed through the VP-8 Analyzer, before or since. Only the Shroud of Turin has produced these results from a VP-8 Image Analyzer isometric projection study."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8_Image_Analyzer

>>17825098
Cool, show all this other stuff analyzed by this device. I'm sure there are tons of photos.

>>17825098
Also, references:
>Heller, John H. Report on the Shroud of Turin. Houghton Mifflin
>Bernard Ruffin, 1999, The Shroud of Turin
>The Shroud, ISBN 9780593063590 by Ian Wilson p. 22
Very reliable and neutral sources for this wikipedia article.

>>17824616
>Anatomically impossible unless jesus was completely disfigured
He was tortured and dead.

>>17824992
My favorite fake method shroudists invented that has never been used by anyone else for anything else was the decay of lignin to vanillin with a constant half life, analogous to radiocarbon dating.

>>17824538
You are not white, Chud Anon.

>>17823940 (OP)
As a Protestant, I find the Shroud of Turin very interesting, and it is worth preserving like so many other historical artifacts, but I wouldn't base my faith on it being the one, or have my faith shattered if it turns out to not be the genuine article. If this is the real deal, wonderful. If it turns out to be verifiably false in a certain way, it still ends up being a particularly interesting artifact, though one which apparently misdirected the focus of lots of people. Christianity is about following Christ, not marveling at a potential relic that he may or may not have left on this Earth.

>>17826308
It clearly is not Jesus. You can tell just from looking at it.

>>17823940 (OP)
The person in the Turin Shroud is most likely a Templar.

>>17826457
You are so fucking retarded you have to wear a helmet and velcro shoes

>>17827444
Wrath. Enjoy burning:)

>>17823998
The Catholic Church themselves admitted it's fake

>>17824624
Note how this goes unanswered, every thread?

fraud

blood doesn't pool that it looks squiggled on lol

also a jewish man in 30AD would not have long hair

>>17827525
>a jewish man in 30AD would not have long hair
except if you're John the Baptist, and there's a special mention of your religious commitment to have long hair

>>17823940 (OP)
>t.

>>17823940 (OP)
>>17828201
what if jesus was a gorilla

>photo negative
So Jesus was a microcephalic freak with a chimp-like ape index, half again as tall as the average Nazarene with arms and hands about twice as long (one is much longer), and facial hair uniformly much fairer than his skin as a young Levantine man. And his photo was taken by draping a cloth over his head, but keeping it in two flat sheets somehow not touching the corpse in order to get a mirror-like portrait on the face instead of a highly distorted impression of the whole surface of the head
Christians are retarded

>>17823940 (OP)
>x-ray dating
Literally made-up

Regular reminder that the actual foreskin of Christ was in a church in rural Italy for centuries and no-one gave much of a shit about it and it was stored in a shoebox in the village Priests wardrobe for 364 days of the year except when it was paraded around for a festival. Then one year while preparing for the festival it was found to have been "stolen".

A genuine piece of God, and they treated it like a dirty sock. Unless...

>>17827444
See >>17826347

>>17823940 (OP)
The Shroud of Turin is a medieval forgery. A hoax.

>>17824371
King James Bible is based on the Hebrew Bible. Greek Bible is the best version.