Do we have Classical Ionian Greek samples now??

>>17830651 (OP)
Irrelevant
We want Dorians or Spartans

>>17830801
>There is a land called Crete, in the midst of the wine-dark sea, a fair, rich land, begirt with water, and therein are many men, past counting, and ninety cities. They have not all the same speech, but their tongues are mixed. There dwell Achaeans, there great-hearted native Cretans, there Cydonians, and Dorians of waving plumes, and goodly Pelasgians.

>>17830801
>irrelevant
Retard.

>>17830801
This

>>17830801
spartans are irrelevant and gay

>>17830651 (OP)
Has the Greek state destroyed the bones at Mycenae grave circle B ?

>>17830896
Greek BA samples with close to partial steppe admixture and their genetic profile is in range of the Balkans.
>>17830893
Not true, worm

>>17830651 (OP)
And?? The way “samples” are now bundled together in ancient population genetics is highly disingenuous. The Greek govt likely destroyed these particular samples.

>>17830801
Dorians/Spartans were just warriors like tons of other ancient peoples. Ionians with their philosophy made Greek civilization so great and unique

>>17830651 (OP)
>our result indicate that the Anatolian gene pool remained relatively stable
So ionian greeks were like those byzantine-roman marmara samples. It's over.

>>17831163
It's fucking over

>>17830907
>The Greek govt likely destroyed these particular samples.
Holy copium, this study has no involvement of the greek gov

>>17831206
don’t know…ask the people who use uncategorized bones from mass graves in Classical era Mediterranean when the upper classes practiced cremation and who cherrypick the Mycenaean record/don’t pressure the Greek govt to allow testing of Grave Circle B bones why they do that…”

>>17831304
The samples are from Turkey and Italy. Mycenean tombs were analysed, both commoner and elite

>>17830651 (OP)
We do. Pic related. This is what Herodotus was like.
>The “father of history”, Herodotus was half Carian from his fathers side, who was called Lyxes or Lỳkse in native Carian. Cleoboulos the Philosopher, one of the seven sages of Greece, was a Carian from the city of Lindos, who has been attributed one of the wisest and most classical sayings ever “Moderation is the best thing”; a phrase that became a trademark of Greek culture. Thales the Miletian, one of the greatest philosophers and by many entitled the “father of science”, was also partly Carian. Maybe you're also familiar with Mausolos, whose burial chamber “the Mausoleum”, became one of the seven wonders of the world. The wealthiest person in history of mankind and King of Lydia, Croesus, was half Carian. It appears in the end, that the Carians were much more than their relatively poor fame.

>The population of Ionia in historical times was not distinguished by purity of blood and represented a motley mixture of various elements, which gives the right, together with Herodotus and other ancients, to distinguish the Ionians proper, the product of this mixture, from the Athenians, proud of their ancient Pelasgic origin. According to Herodotus, the Ionians themselves, who had left Athens, arrived in Asia Minor without wives and took a wife of a Carian woman.

>According to Strabo, Carians, of all the "barbarians", had a particular tendency to intermingle with the Greeks

>They [Carians] likewise were the inventors of three things, the use of which was borrowed from them by the Greeks; they were the first to fasten crests on helmets and to put devices on shields, and they also invented handles for shields. In the earlier times shields were without handles, and their wearers managed them by the aid of a leathern thong, by which they were slung round the neck and left shoulder. - Herodotus

>>17830651 (OP)
New Skourtanioti will have some Ionians for sure

>The exceptional data recovered from Phaleron has now been enlarged by new ancient DNA analysis. By applying state of the art, highly specific enrichment protocols, we have generated genome wide data from more than 100 individuals sampled from diverse burial contexts within a sector of the burial ground. Our analyses reveal a unprecedented rate of individuals with ‘non local’ ancestry showing no association with distinctive burial type features. In contrast to earlier Bronze Age Aegean sites, where ancestry outliers reflect population migration from Anatolia and later the Eurasian steppe, in Phaleron, the non local ancestry predominantly belongs to the broader Central and Eastern Mediterranean gene pool, but also Central Asia and Europe. In addition, when analyzing individuals with ancestry typical in the Aegean, we find genetic continuity since the Late Bronze Age suggesting that the transition still referred to sometimes as ‘Greek Dark Ages’ was not accompanied by major admixture events into the Aegean. Finally, to estimate relatedness, we employed the method Identical By Descent which indicated that the individuals were distantly and sporadically related, rather than being members of biological families. Combined with the evidence for continuing the practice of consanguineous endogamy although more moderately our analyses suggest that the Phaleron cemetery reflected a large and diverse population as well as local communities of extended families.

>>17831686
Basically what Davidski had been saying for years.

>>17831709
>aryans were brown
typical jewish pilpul

>>17831709
Interesting, being all over the place shouldn't be surprising I guess, commercial centers and all. The "unprecedented" makes me wonder if we're going to see some Native Americans or something. THAT would be unprecedented. Actually, Indians from India might be a possibility. Or Nords like the ones that probably accidentally appeared in Yediay's Cyprus samples.

>>17831709
Wonder what samples he saw though if this was over 4 years ago. Does it take THAT long to get shit preprinted? Was he talking about Himera?

>>17831737
Yes pure aryans were brown and greeks (15% aryan) were brown too.

>Greece

Ew, pagan faggot thread. Demon worship abound.

>>17830876

All of them except the Christian ones contributed precisely nothing to science.

>>17830651 (OP)
>>17830801
What do you want them for? Are /his/ haploautists trying to clone ancient races back into existence?