Iberia under Muslim rule:

A beacon of science, arts and tolerance, the learning capital of Europe, the most prosperous state of that peninsula with delusions of a continent, non-Muslims were not only left alone but many elevated into high positions of Andalusian society just as bankers, merchants, poets, scientists, and even advisors to the Ummayad court, an hygienic society where everyday bathhouses were common, a powerful state that rivaled the savage Franks, the decadent Byzantines and the heretical Abbassids

Iberia under judeochristian rule:

A backwards feudal shithole where any non-judeochristian was brutally murdered, expelled, tortured etc. An obscurantist society that burnt and destroyed every single scientific book written in arabic, bathouses converted to literal goat stables, the kingdoms that emerged from land stolen from the moorish people became relevant from half a century by plundering, torturing and genociding defenseless stone age peoples from the Western Hemisphere, it quickly fell into irrelevance and during the entire early modern period was considered the backyard of europe and France/Austria little pets

>muslim rule
>bacon of science
Yeah I don't think so, Anon. I don't think so...

>>17835177 (OP)
>savage Franks
>decadent Byzantines
>heretic Abbasides

interesting
Is that what people of Al Andalus really thought about them ? What were some other stereotypes they held ?

>>17835177 (OP)
>A beacon of science, arts and tolerance
"My court Jew looked at me the wrong way this morning, so I killed him and his family. LOL. Get me another one."

>>17835177 (OP)
>A beacon of science, arts and tolerance, the learning capital of Europe.
Why weren’t they able to continue doing all of that after they were expelled to the Middle East?

>>17835177 (OP)
It became an even bigger empire when they kicked the Inbred muslims out
>B-but muh heckin na-
Cope Islamist vermin

>>17835177 (OP)
Spain still hasn’t recovered from the barbarian takeover. Al-Andalus was the Golden Age of Iberia. Both before and after Spain never produced as many scholars and intellectuals.

>>17835177 (OP)
The greatest philosophers ever born in Kinda ironic because the only reason of why modernity remember Andalusian writers are Catholic writers from Second Scholasticism (Suarez, Arriaga, Caramuel, Poinsot, Zuñiga, Mas, etc.), specially the Jesuits, mentioned them in their works and thaught them to their German, French, Czech, Austrian, etc., students because they considered Arab writers important to be mentioned in their academical itineraries during the Counter-Reformation and the whole Baroque period.

Humanist neoplatonic Italian and reformist German writers from Renaissance were quite determined to erase from the map the traces of Averroes, Avicenna, Avempace and Islamic theology in general because they assocciated it to the Dark Ages and what they considered obsolete Aristotelian metaphysics and sciences.

If you are happy thinking that, then good for you.

>>17835177 (OP)
Kinda ironic because the only reason of why modernity remember Andalusian writers are Catholic writers from Second Scholasticism (Suarez, Arriaga, Caramuel, Poinsot, Zuñiga, Mas, etc.), specially the Jesuits, mentioned them in their works and thaught them to their German, French, Czech, Austrian, etc., students because they considered Arab writers important to be mentioned in their academical itineraries during the Counter-Reformation and the whole Baroque period.

Humanist neoplatonic Italian and reformist German writers from Renaissance were quite determined to erase from the map the traces of Averroes, Avicenna, Avempace and Islamic theology in general because they assocciated it to the Dark Ages and what they considered obsolete Aristotelian metaphysics and sciences.

If you are happy thinking that, then good for you.

>>17835177 (OP)
All you said is wrong thouhg

>>17835636
Thomas Aquinas quoted Averroes and other Islamic thinkers long before any of them

>>17835579
Spain has produced as much scientific and cultural output as the entire muslin world put together for the last 5 centuries, has won 2 Wolf prizes in physics in the last 8 years and things like CRISPR or the first submarine were created there. You guys are unironically retarded claiming this sort of garbage

>>17835718
Aquinas was highly forgotten prior to Second Scholasticism.

And to start with he was the main thinker of the Dominican order, an Spanish order with a seat in Paris university which facilitated to him the Spanish translations of Arabs theologists works.

Duns Scotus, Ockham, Anselm of Canterbury, Thierry of Chartres, etc., were hold as Aquinas equals before Second Scholasticism.

It was Saint Augustine, Saint Isidore and Boethius the 3 pillars of medieval Christian thinking before Thomism earned its position during Modernity.

Luther, Erasmus, Vives, Thomas More, Machiavelli, Nicholas of Cusa, Pico della Mirandola, etc etc etc didn't even cite Arabs, and factually considered all their stuff obscurantist goatfucker babbling. And the Islamic world directly was a illiterate land filled with fundamentalists which needed XIX and XX century European historians to re introduce these considered heretical writers.

So once again, among the main reasons Arab stuff even made its way into modernity are Jesuitic, Augustinian, Franciscan and Dominican friars of Second Scholasticism as Suarez, Caramuel and Arriaga.

>>17835758
Suarez was hold during Enlightment as the greatest metaphysician ever born. Even over Aquinas. Heidegger as well hold the opinion in his work Being and Time.

Funnily prior to XIX century Jesuit scholastics, mainly Iberians, had the consideration that today XIX century Germans have. You find citations of them in Descartes, Leibniz, Grotius, Wolff, Heerbord, Scheibler and basically all continental thinkers of the period.

From Claude Yvon Encyclopédie (1752)
>Suarez justly merited his reputation as the greatest scholastic who has ever written. [44] In his works one finds great penetration, great precision, profound knowledge: what a shame that this genius was a captive of the system adopted by the society. He wanted to make one of his own, because his mind asked only to create; but as he could not distance himself from Molinism, all he did, so to speak, was to give an ingenious turn to the old system.


Not to mention the massive contributions to botany and anthropology made by the Jesuits in America and Asia. Fully modern anthropology, based on categorization, philology, and reason, was born with José de Acosta in the 16th century.

He not only studied indigenous languages and their similarities, but also theorized that they came from Asia through some passage unknown in his time.

>>17835788
Most of Spain's bad rep boils down mostly to the awful XIX century.
Even in the late XVIII century you had people like D'Elhuyar or Del Rio doing very valueable work in chemestry and Humboldt praising Spanish research institutions.