Thread 17836035

>mfw people unironically argue that the US owed France something during their Revolution/the Coalition Wars
>mfw these people suggest France didn't help us solely because the thought of a re-unified Britain with control over the entire East coast of N. America drove them to plotting another sea invasion with Spain (aka fucking madness)
>mfw amerimutts actually think France joined them because they won Saratoga
>not because France realized they were going to lose without their help and be reabsorbed into Britain somehow, giving the Brits a launching pad to take the Carribean wholesale
>mfw amerisharts don't even know how much cross-European smuggling was going on through the Carribean/America's which absolutely had to be kept out of British hands
>mfw they act like the French people who orchestrated the Revolution were the ones that intervened on their behalf against Britain
>as if it wasn't Louis and the ministers he picked from the list his daddy (based Louis XV still fucking with Britain from beyond the grave) left him

>>17836035 (OP)
Anon, one of the factotums of the Revolution, smuggling arms and boots across the Atlantic, was Pierre Beaumarchais, the author of the Figaro operas.
The guy who financed the french intervention was Necker, a swiss protestant banker who believed in Rousseau's Social Contract and was rather happy to see the Estate-General captured by the Third Estate.
The people who went over to fight for the Revolution, like La Fayette, were active members of the french revolution.

These were people who participated in the revolutionary war and in the french revolution.

Louis himself only signed off on it because it was the cheapest way to fuck with Great Britain, yes, but that's just that.

>>17836035 (OP)
>>mfw these people suggest France didn't help us solely because the thought of a re-unified Britain with control over the entire East coast of N. America drove them to plotting another sea invasion with Spain (aka fucking madness)
...What?
Were the french suppossed to helf americans just out of pure sympathy of something?

>>17836095
>uummm, ACKSHUALLY these dudes were part of this thing later, so you're wrong, because... because you just are okay?
Was Vergennes a revolutionary too you retard? You act like Louis only fucked with the British because he had nothing else to do. Absolutely ahistorical take

>>17836115
That's what retards who think Washington and Adams were wrong to stay neutral during it will have you believing. Why? Fuck if I know

>>17836115
I, too would rather die than being rescued by somebody who wouldn't fuck me.

>>17836143
>mfw they act like the French people who orchestrated the Revolution were the ones that intervened on their behalf against Britain
I mean some of them clearly were, that was the point I was making.

>>17836143
>That's what retards who think Washington and Adams were wrong to stay neutral during it will have you believing.
It's not like the US could've done shit, besides financing freebooters raiding british commerce in the Americas. It's not like they would want to do shit, considering that they were a Republic and whatever the French created was totally whack and, in practice, just the Ancient Regime unchained and driven to a monstrous, mindless frenzy.

>>17836154
This nigga gets it

>>17836152
Touché

>>17836035 (OP)
What's your point? That if one nation helps another for any reason other than purely out of the kindness of their heart they shouldn't pay their debts?

>>17836051
Fp-bp

>>17836051
>the arms sale that Beaumarchais and Hortalez paid for was supposed to be paid back in tobacco
>literally never got repaid for the guns that saved the Cause at Saratoga
That's Southerners for ya

>>17836051
Just look at America's president. That's literally his motto. He declared bankruptcy 3 separate times, each time further enriching himself at the expense of his creditors.

>>17836095
>La Fayette
>mfw
Let's not pretend like he wasn't out for his own gain first and foremost.

>>17836171
>they
see >>17836213

>>17836224
>mfw I forgot the mfw

>>17836051
>>17836171
>>17836213
>muh debts
>mfw Sam Adams and Lee wrote off their debts to Beaumarchais because I wrote "everything he (Beaumarchais) says, writes, or does, is in reality the action of the Ministry."
>mfw I get away with it

>>17836233
>Albions, being real happy that they got a much wider anti-french moat now
Basically the American Revolution.

>>17836035 (OP)
Imagine being this angry

>>17836051
We paid them back with WW1, We are now owed still for WW2 and the Cold War.

>>17836095
>La Fayette

>>17836266
KEK

>17836293
Imagine being this retarded

>>17836035 (OP)
You did name a bunch of cities after La Fayette, as well as your only good booze after the king. If I were French, I'd consider the debt paid