could it have worked?

lolno

>>17839119 (OP)
It'd work if all Turks with nationalist sentiments got impaled.
I don't care about Islam, Istanbul, Constantinople, but the Turks are the inhibiting party of such an agreement. There couldve been a new player in the region had it not been for Turkiye being 4chan the country: brown, incel, chuddy, and jingoist.

>>17839119 (OP)
It would have been rocky to start with but eventually Turks and Greeks would have united against their common Kurdish enemy

>>17839347
>Turks are the inhibiting party of such an agreement.
yeah the turks just invaded cyprus out of the blue

>>17839361
They did. The proper response to what was went on wasn't to impede on Greece's internationally recognized sovereign borders and make your own shithole settler state.
It's too late for refunds. Turks chose half an island over rapprochement with Europe.

>>17839416
>to impede on Greece's internationally recognized sovereign borders
Confirmed retard

>>17839347
Fyi the greeks were the ones who started every conflict involving these two since 1900. Not even some gray zone. Every historian agrees that the greeks have been the warmongers for the longes time.

>>17839733
>since 1900
What happened before 1900?

>>17839456
>>17839733
>dude laws don't matter man you don't get it we had to invade we had to it's our right
And this is why it would've never worked. Move on.

>>17839885
i took 1900 as a general cutoff. but if youre referring to the first greco turkish war, the greeks started that one too

>>17839927
>dude just let the greeks enact enosis and idly watch your fellow turks get killed

>>17839119 (OP)
By the time the Ottoman's fell, they were basically the same anyway.

>>17839938
>killed
Just move to Turkey? Thats why Atatürk founded the nation, so Turks can live there.
Meanwhile Turks actually killed and displaced Cypriots from their homes.

It worked under the Ottoman Empire. The Greek war of independence radicalised the Muslim population of the Caliphate, and sparked other nationalist movements across it. Hence the Turks became ethno-nationalists.
So paradoxically Greek independence led directly to their genocide and ethnic cleansing. Arnold Toynbee talks about this in depth

>>17839119 (OP)
In the past, no. In the future, possibly, if both sides get more secularized.

>>17840818
Even if greece and turkey became bff these 2 wouldnt merge. Turkey has 8x the population and would absolute dominate every election

>>17840822
Maybe this could be solved by making a 2 chamber parliament where the lower house is proportional and the upper house is 50% greek 50% turkish.

>>17840325
>toynbee
lol

>>17839928
Turks started it by living on rightful greek land

>>17839119 (OP)
ataturk was a jew. turkey as a country, with its "donme" crypto jewish oligarchy and elite was built as a haven for jews. turkish ships smuggle oil from the caucasus to the port of haifa, and despite the popular protest of what israel is doing in palestine in turkey, jews and synogauges remain untouched.
https://turkishwrestling.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/mustafa-kemal-ataturks-jewish-family-background/
everything in this page was sourced from israeli/non-israeli jewish media.
https://www.salom.com.tr/
jewish publishing in turkey

>>17839938
>noooooo you can't join with your fellow Greeks because...BECAUSE YOU JUST CANT OK!!!!

>>17839938
literally no turk was killed during the coup, while hundreds of greeks were killed. The objective was Makarios and his third worldist government, not ethnic cleansing

>>17840056
>>17840890
By treaty, Cyprus was established as a multi-ethnic country. But NOOOOO, it just HAD to be all Greek. Even the Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries weren't so retarded as to try to claim the entire island as theirs and advocated partition.
>>17840928
EOKA-B was just going to stop, was it?

>>17840990
>By treaty, Cyprus was established as a multi-ethnic country.
Fuck globo homo.
How did Turks get on Cyprus anyway?

>>17840829
>rightful greek land
No land is rightful. The law of conquest was universally accepted across all cultures. You sound like a faggot

>>17841047
>t*rk projecting faggotry on others
go oil wrestle a bit more gay boy

>>17841049
Youre the one talking about muh "stolen" greek land. The land wouldnt even be greek it was eastern roman. Take your retarded "arguments" back to your reddit sewer

We really need a containment board for the balkans

>>17839119 (OP)
No, one is circumcised the other is not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfUo1EZ0ITI

>>17839119 (OP)
Only with forced Re-Byzantine-fication

>>17839119 (OP)
>Literally OTTOMANS <-- It failed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AB0k4Itneg

>>17841240
Eastern Romans were greeks you roach

>>17841390
Eastern romans were romans who spoke greek you greekroach. Actual hellenic culture perished after the romans won the greco-roman wars. The modern country of greece was established in 1821 and has nothing to do with ancient greece. "Greeks" decided to abandon their actual roman identity in favor of ancient greece. Not that the romans havr a claim either, you lose a war you lose land. You win a war you gain it. But they sure are more valid in their claims than modern greece who have zero claims to anything beyond their borders. You can cope about it all you want. Facts dont care about your shitty larp

>>17841526
ancient greeks = eastern romans = modern greeks
cope and seethe turkroach

>>17841001
Byzantine faglords started inviting more and more turkish mercenaries in the high medieval times. Blame them

>>17841622
Im not the one coping here greekroach and your made up country isnt taken serious by anyone. Now suck off your german overlords like you always do

>>17841622
Greeks really are king of we wuzzers.
You have nothing in common with ancient greece. Wake up to reality.
What the fuck. This is like egyptians saying they wuz pharaoz n shieeeet. Embarrassing.

>>17841810
I'm German myself you mutt

>>17841822
This is all cope. Genetic studies show ancient greeks= modern greeks
ancient greek language = modern greek language
their ideas and religion have shaped the whole world, whereas turks have not one contribution to science, philosophy or literature in any meaningful way

>>17839119 (OP)
No. It only is a thing by force.

>>17839119 (OP)
hell no

>>17839347
There's always reddit if you're homesick

>>17841047
>Law of conquest universally accepted
>Israel is an apartheid state on stolen land, america is stolen land, the border crossed us, fucking europeans and their colonization
You know that's not true, roach, and I agree with them as long as it applies equally. Go back to Turkistan. Or Germany

>>17839119 (OP)
>*sigh*
>Somehow Byzantium has returned...

>>17840829
>Turks started it by living on rightful greek land
>AAAAAAAAACK YOU CAN'T JUST FIGHT BACK AND BEAT ME, LET ME MURDER YOU BECAUSE MUH ANCESTORS LIVED IN YOUR HOUSE 1000 YEARS AGO YOU MONSTER
They were right, the greeks are thoroughly brown in both body and spirit.

>>17839416
>The proper response to what was went on wasn't to impede on Greece's internationally recognized sovereign borders and make your own shithole settler state
What the fuck are you talking about? Greece did not own Cyprus. Nobody recognised any Greek claims to Cypriot territory internationally. They tried to seize it by organising a coup led by Greek ultranationalists in 1974. The coup plotters installed a terrorist who had advocated for ethnic cleansing of Turkish Cypriots and union with Greece, prompting the Turkish invasion.

The Turks are on the wrong side of history on a lot of things but their complete loss of trust in the Greek Cypriots and Greeks when it came to Cyprus didn't come out of nowhere.

>>17839119 (OP)
No reason why it couldn't work today. Just genocide all the freaks currently inhabiting those lands and repopulate with an all white group of scholarly gentlemen and questionably aged young women. It would work great.

>>17841622
This is african-tier we wuzzery

>>17839119 (OP)
This doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, unless you’re biracial or something and it’s just about you and not about a larger political alignment.

By the 19th century, the Greeks as a language and as a culture were on their way out. The language was in serious jeopardy of dying out, a fact not unnoticed by the West and their contemporarily Literary Hellinization. It was one reason why the British intervened in the instability of the area in those decades. Eventually, Greek was re-solidified and local Albanians and Slavs were assimilated into speaking Greek.

What makes much more sense and which actually has historical proponents, is Slavo-Turkism. There’s like a LOT of that, and not all of it has to do with the Ottoman Empire.

>>17842137
>Armenians
it's always funny to see irrational hatred of random ass that people nobody outside their corner of the world cares about

same kinda humor as that random grandpa who was a Rwandan genocide denier

>>17842376
>my swedish-american grandpa from 1920s minnesota was a young turk, he had a portrait of enver pasha hanging in his barn and cursed the armenians every day

>>17842386
>potrait of enver pasha hanging in his barn
lol

>>17841972
>their ideas and religion have shaped the whole world, whereas turks have not one contribution to science, philosophy or literature in any meaningful way
Always the same "argument".
Again, "Hans", modern day greece doesnt have anything in common with ancient greece. You can pretend otherwise but deep down you know the truth. There is no connection to me made, and its embarrassing to see "greeks" claim these achievements because their shithole nation has been independent for over 2 centuries and hasnt achieved ANYTHING, not one thing of note in any field.
The coping mechanism is to steal another civilizations contributions and then project onto the ottomans and say "we wuz philosophy gods, ottomans evil barbarians no contribution, please give us more money".
And the ancient greek and modern languages arent even close to the same you fucking dumbass. Do you know a few terms like Katharevousa, Demotic?
If you prefer Greeks over Turks thats fine. But you dont know what youre talking about. So stfu you retard.
>>17842116
Okay, then lets apply your logic. The romans and greek were invaders to eastern thrace and anatolia. So, the turks did the exact thing they did. And since greeks can do no heckin wrong the turkish action cannot be wrong either.
Also, nice job bringing up random unrelated shit and comparing middle ages conquests to a meme country founded in the 1940s. Go back to the gutter

>>17842623
Yeah I know the difference between Katharevousa and Demotic and all your gaslighting won't stop this
ancient greeks = eastern romans = modern greeks
COPE, SEETHE AND ROPE TRANNY

>>17842647
>COPE, SEETHE AND ROPE TRANNY
No need to share your schedule with me

>>17840828
>Maybe this could be solved by [massively overrepresenting the Greeks}
Recipe for disaster

>>17841972
>Genetic studies show ancient greeks= modern greeks
Genetic studies also show that Greeks and Turks have the same DNA
>ancient greek language = modern greek language
Imagine being this wrong. You've never heard of Katharevousa?

>>17842703
>Genetic studies also show that Greeks and Turks have the same DNA
They don't though. In fact, greeks plot so far from their own countrymen despite being so few in number that I question whether they're a real ethnicity at all.

>>17842721
>THE graph with unlabeled axes
Wow that sure proved a lot

>>17842723
Nigger look how far the greek subgroups plot from each other. Every other Balkan nation is a small cluster (you know, cause they actually have kinship) but the greeks form this massive, unsightly cline of imperial muttness

>>17842741
Yeah, there's such big gaps between something and something, especially when compared to something. That could be a graph of hair follicle thickness differentials, who fucking knows if it's anything actually important.
Your teachers told you to label your graphs for a reason

>>17839119 (OP)
The Turks essentially raped the Balkans and Greece for hundreds of years under the Ottoman empire. They would take their girls as wives and castrate and enslave one boy from each generation, the amount of hatred this engendered is unthinkable and is in no small part why the Balkans is as messy as it is today.

>>17842788
>da turkz are the reason my country doesnt have roads 100 years after independence its not my country being a shithole bro

>>17842863
Turkey is the shit hole, places like Romania, Bulgaria and even parts of former Yugoslavia have gotten much better since the fall of communism. Turkey has Istanbul and like two cities on the Aegean coast that are actually nice places, the rest of the country is a joke. The Balkans are messy because of ethnic and religious tension but I would rather live in Croatia or Serbia than most parts of Turkey.

>>17842926
>Turkey is the shit hole, places like Romania, Bulgaria and even parts of former Yugoslavia have gotten much better since the fall of communism.
You have it the wrong way around. Bulgaria barely ekes ahead of Turkey in QoL stats today, but under communism the differences between the two were measurably stark. Bulgaria's GDP per capita was 2x higher than Turkey's in 1987, it had also reached full electrification by the 1950s whereas Turkey's electrical grid wouldn't extend beyond its biggest population centers until the latter half of the 20th century. Anyway, I've seen that guy in another bitching about how Balkaners supposedly blame Turkey for their current economic woes, this doesn't happen anywhere except for inside his sick head.

>>17842926
>Turkey is the shit hole, places like Romania, Bulgaria and even parts of former Yugoslavia have gotten much better since the fall of communism.
You have it the wrong way around. Bulgaria barely ekes ahead of Turkey in QoL stats today, but during the cold war the differences between the two were very stark. Bulgaria's GDP per capita was 2x higher than Turkey's in 1987, it had also reached full electrification by the 1950s whereas Turkey's electrical grid wouldn't extend beyond its biggest population centers until the latter half of the 20th century. Since 1989, Bulgaria lagged behind while Turkey pushed ahead, so there's less disparity nowadays. Anyway, I've seen that guy in another thread bitching about how Balkaners supposedly blame Turkey for their economic woes, this doesn't happen anywhere except for inside his sick head.

>>17843114
When the entirety of eastern and central Europe was being sodomized by Bolsheviks Turkey was of course better off, not better than say Greece but not terrible relative to the commie blocks. Now that the cancer of communism is dead they all magically start to do better despite being behind? Weird. Anyway I wasn't saying the economic situation was bad because of Turkey, but they definitely played a role in why the Balkans has as much ethnic tension as it does today.

>>17843140
>When the entirety of eastern and central Europe was being sodomized by Bolsheviks Turkey was of course better off
Stats say otherwise, read the book "History of Electrification in Bulgaria" to get an idea of how quickly Bulgaria's power infrastructure was built up from the late 1940's to the 1960's without this dogmatic ideology bullshit. Rural electrification was nil during the royal period, but by 1970 99.6% of Bulgarians had electricity in their homes.
https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfElectrificationInBulgaria
Then read "Past, present and future status of electricity in Turkey and the share of energy sources" to see how shitty Turkey's power situation was during the second half of the 20th century. Only 23% of the Turkish population used electricity during the 1950's (entirely confined to urban centers), while by the 1970's, only 7% of Turkish villages were electrified. The situation wasn't even comparable to Bulgaria, which had such a massive surplus of power from hydroelectric and nuclear generation that it exported it to every neighboring country.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222199443_Past_present_and_future_status_of_electricity_in_Turkey_and_the_share_of_energy_sources

Christ, there's so much free information out there, why are you even on a history board if you only want to view the past through memes?

>>17843114
>Bulgaria barely ekes ahead of Turkey in QoL stats today
>we are barely behind one of Europes biggest shitholes!!!!!

>>17843267
I wasn't defending Turkey, I was lamenting how down hill things have gone in Bulgaria over the past 35 years for us to end up economically comparable to Turkey.

>>17843273
At least your ancestors had the sense to stick to christ, despite the repressions. You would be even poorer today + inbred.

>>17843303
True. The fact that Bulgaria exists at all is remarkable. Half the people living here were Muslim on the eve of liberation, then just like that, we uprooted them, killed them, deported them, did to them every cruel thing they once did to us. 400 years of thorough colonization, abruptly swept away by a wave of unpunished ethnic cleansing. It's why Bulgarians don't talk about Turks the way that Armenians or Greeks do, there's nothing more to "take back".
>You would be even poorer today
Of course. The first Ottoman factory was built by a Bulgarian. Imagine, you're legally a second class citizen, every tax in the book is levied at you, and somehow you become richer than your captor. Where were the Turk industrialists? Why was Sofia electrified 14 years before Istanbul, "the city of the world's desire"? Really, what excuse did they have for being the armpit of Europe?

>>17843209
The royal period was interrupted by two world wars right as electricity was becoming common place in this particular instance, and they were quite a small country, this strikes at a deeper issue however. As is usually the case with communism the trends of rapid technological development and improving QoL in the 20th century are tacked on to the ideology as irrefutable proof of ideological success. In almost all cases QoL skyrocketed after the second world war in particular because it already had in much of the western world and the eastern bloc was catching itself up quite late to the party. These were trends that existed in most nations prior to communist take overs excluding cases like war time they were being built up.

>>17839119 (OP)
It could, if Greeks reverted to Islam.

>>17843380
>Anatolians reverted to Orthodoxy
Fixed

>>17841972
Post german passport or something Stavros

>>17843114
>Anyway, I've seen that guy in another thread bitching about how Balkaners supposedly blame Turkey for their economic woes, this doesn't happen anywhere except for inside his sick head.
Happens all the time, Mladen Borislov. Balkaners always at least partly blame others for being in shitholes. And most of these bulgarians or whatever live in germany leeching of gibs saying this shit

>>17839119 (OP)
I think it’s hilarious people can see shit like this can’t work immediately, they can complain about the west drawing arbitrary lines in Africa and the Middle East that “cause” conflicts by crossing ethnic groupings, and then in the next breath they will tell you having 40% of kids be foreign in the space of a single generation is brave and bold and any resistance to it is extremist racism and these people are 100% native like anyone else.

It’s like there’s a logic circuit that’s completely shut off from the rest of their brain.

>>17843742
How is this related?

>>17843689
Not as much as Erdog regime loyalists

>>17839119 (OP)
Only if Ataturk's one-party system had stuck around for another 50 years, stamping out the cancer that is Islam completely.
>t. Turk

>>17839347
Why is Turkey so poor? Seriously what's their excuse

>>17839119 (OP)
It would mean for Turks to accept their true selves

>>17843689
>Balkaners always at least partly blame others for being in shitholes.
I don't even deny that, but the idea that any meaningful amount of Bulgarians blame Turkey for our current economic state is retarded and untrue. I don't even see this online so I can only assume you made it up in your head.

>>17843878
They democratised too quickly. What progress Turkey achieved was a result of Ataturk's authoritarian drive to make a modern country out of a bunch of illiterate hicks through top-down reforms backed by the army. If he didn't drink himself to death and lived for another 20 years then the country would have been far better placed to completely purge itself of the backwards, corrupt, Islamist socio-political cancer that has held it back under Erdogan.