For the people who genuinely think Pétain was a traitor, what would you have done in June 1940?
Moved the capital to Algiers?
Accepted a Franco-British Union?

>>17840235 (OP)
I live in france and i remember my history teacher saying that he wasnt his fault cause he was old and senile and that Laval was the real traitor

Germany can thank their lucky star that France actually decided to play by the book and sue for peace.
Had France decided to continue the war and move their government overseas, Germany would have been in a very bad situation.
All the 100.000 professional French soldiers that were evacuated to England would not be repatriated back to France, and the French Mediterranean fleet would join with Cunninghams forces. The italians/Rommel would be facing a 2-front war immediately in North Africa.

>>17840253
Nah, he wasn't literally senile until 1946 circa

>>17840394
If France keeps fighting, there would be no Barbarossa the year later and Germany would send a lot more troops to North Africa

>>17840235 (OP)
British-Franco union would have been good, yeah.

As is, he betrayed humanity and should have been executed for it.

>>17840912
That would have failed horribly as massive supply issues would have caused untold German lives to be wasted. Before long the German regime would have collapsed. Best case scenario: France and the UK would have been able to liberate Poland without USSR involvement. Worst case scenario: USSR backstabs Hitler before long and things mostly end the same way but with way less human lives spend.

>>17841149
>That would have failed horribly as massive supply issues would have caused untold German lives to be wasted.
?
Human life losses for the Axis weren't that severe in North Africa.
Tunisgrad was a huge blow, but it was PoWs rather than deaths, and happened at the very end

>Before long the German regime would have collapsed. Best case scenario: France and the UK would have been able to liberate Poland without USSR involvement
Are you high?

>>17841233
>Human life losses for the Axis weren't that severe in North Africa.
They weren't that severe because no human lives were spend. Aryans are not humans.

Regardless, if Germany had made more of a push in Africa it would have ended with a lot more dead Germans as the total failure to maintain any kind of supply lines combined with harsh desert attrition would have claimed numerous lives.

>Are you high?
Are you? Nazi Germany was a failed state entirely reliant on loot and plunder. They would have run out and collapsed before long without invading the USSR.

>>17841241
Why would you waste a high on /his/?

>>17841260
Because he's bored and dumb?

>>17840394
you do realize french infantry breached the german border 12km in oct 1939 and hitler ordered the army not to engage them right?

>>17840912
yes jews like jesse strauss tried to tell them to keep fighting and destroy their country

Nazi Germany was a failed state entirely reliant on loot and plunder...........so like israel then

>>17841379
>Like Isreal
No, Isreal is entirely reliant on USA support.

>he doesn't know that Pétain was literally following orders from the National Assembly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Constitutional_Law_of_1940
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eighty_(Vichy_France)
But yeah let's blame the old soldier who had been following orders and defended France his whole life, not the politicians who gave the order and played dumb afterwards

>>17841388
are you saying the chosen cant stand on their own?

>>17841413
Of course they can.

Why bother when they can just steal from the USA? Same reason goyim in the USA maintain livestock. It's not about needing them, they are just useful.

>>17840235 (OP)
Evacuate all men and equipment I can to North Africa or Britain, destroy anything we can't evacuate, regroup in North Africa and resist. Refuse British Union as an insult to France. Granted I think Petain was the wrong guy, he was old and weary, it would be akin to the Germans if the bomb plot succeeded making August von Mackensen dictator. Let the old man live out his last days in peace and choose a more energetic young man who can actually motivate people with something besides his passive existence and his deeds from 20 years ago.

>>17841366
What would have changed if they had engaged them?

>>17841803
its just another hidden fact youre not supposed to talk about it disrupts the jewish inspired war narrative

>>17841425
i suppose if you classify bombing countries then crying to amerigoys to save you

>>17840912
Port of Tripoli was the smallest of the ports. It's physically impossible to send more than what the Germans had irl.

>>17841366
Why is this relevant?

>>17840235 (OP)
>order any French soldier who is able to do so to escape across the Channel
>issue decree stating that any Frenchman who wishes to serve in a British uniform may do so and will not be regarded as a traitor to his nation
>permit the fleets at Mers El Kebir and Toulon to sortie and join up with the British or head for the West Indies, scuttle or disable any ship unable to move under its own power
>issue decree granting all French overseas possession the autonomy to cooperate with the British
>under absolutely no circumstances cooperate with the Germans on any matter regarding the Jewish Question, maybe let the Nazis round up and kill the Communists as a compromise because fuck them

>>17840912
>there would be no Barbarossa the year later
>tfw frogs deprived us of Stalin rolling into Berlin in early 1942

>>17840394
>All the 100.000 professional French soldiers that were evacuated to England would not be repatriated back to France

Retard
The vast majority of these were redeployed to the battlefield before the armistice.
People need to understand that Dunkirk didn't happen at the end of the Battle of France but in the middle of it.
The Battle of France kept going without the Brits for about three weeks after the Dunkirk evacuation.

>>17840394
> Had France decided to continue the war and move their government overseas
> The italians/Rommel would be facing a 2-front war immediately in North Africa
I think you vastly overestimate French capabilties of fighting an offshore-war; also the 100k troops you spoke of would not just magically teleport to africa either.
by the time of Operation Torch Vichy france had like 200 tanks and less than 150k troops so chances are Italians could have actually pushed them in 1940 instead of starting trouble with the greek

Isn't obeying the victors literally the norm after losing a war?
Isn't the entire purpose of war to impose your will upon the loser?
Why are people making such a big fuss about WW2 France obeying the country that defeated them?

>because le nazis are le most evil entity in all of history so it's le different this time!!!
Yeah ok...

>>17840235 (OP)
>what would you have done in June 1940?
If I was Petain personally? Just retire lmao. The Germans weren't going to do anything to you so long as you weren't inciting anything, and nobody from history would judge an 85 year old who had already served his country decades ago if he just decided he was past it now and he wants a comfy last few years of his life
He personally chose to stay in politics

I don't think him signing the armistice is the reason he is considered a traitor (I'm not french though so I can't be sure).
I think it has more to do with him being an active collaborator with the Nazis.

>>17843292
Reynaud was meant to sign the armistice anyway but didn't want to because muh career(he kept being a politician post-war too), Petain was appointed by him as his successor when he resigned. To blame him for armistice is just retarded. People have issues with him post-armistice but everyone knew what kind of beliefs did the French generals have on the way society should work(as can be seen from de Gaulle's writings before the war, and that's the nice guy de Gaulle, Weygand or Petain weren't going to be nicer), so if you're looking for someone to blame for this Reynaud is your man.

Also Petain didn't really have any way out. The French already sent around 300 thousands conscripts to Algeria and they were afraid they would run out of food, so Algeria could only be temporary, the British wouldn't house several hundred thousands French soldiers when they're afraid of running out of food either. At the point when Petain became the PM any option of Breton redoubt etc. were out of the window and the French didn't really prepare any strategy for the war if the metropolitan France was overrun, so all they could do was just go to the peace talks. The war continued on despite this and since Petain, who as I've said was of known quality, was told to govern France he did it as he pleased.

>>17840394
>All the 100.000 professional French soldiers that were evacuated to England

Not sure how you got that weird idea that the French troops evacuated at Dunkirk were all "professional soldiers".
The French army in 1940 was almost entirely composed of conscripts.
Same for the German army btw.
Peace time career soldiers made up for like about 10% of France and Germany's 1940 armies.
Britain was the only major power fielding a fully professional army in 1940.

>>17843292
>I think it has more to do with him being an active collaborator with the Nazis.

That's a myth
He was actually quite reluctant to respect the terms of the armistice and did as little as possible.
That's the reason why the German got pissed and ended up invading Vichy France in 1942.

>>17841379
who were they looting and plundering in 1936?

>>17840885
The symptoms of senility don't happen all at once. Look at Reagan. His first term was energetic. His second term was a four year nap whilst Bush and Baker ran things.
>>17840253
Dr Seuss' comics at the time seem to agree that Petain was a figurehead and Laval was the guy worth making fun of.