Anonymous
7/14/2025, 2:27:31 PM No.17840786
Why the fuck does anything even exist in the first place? Has any philosopher even come close to answering this question?
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 3:50:34 PM No.17840922
>Why the fuck does anything even exist in the first place?
So that you can ask yourself this question
So that you can ask yourself this question
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 3:58:20 PM No.17840931
>>17840786 (OP)
why not?
why not?
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 3:59:33 PM No.17840934
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 4:24:58 PM No.17840974
>>17840786 (OP)
A classical monotheist answer: to take part in the joy of God's infinite goodness.
A materialistic answer (so far): yeah I get that this question is one of the most universal and pressing things in human history but actually just forget it
I don't know any other answers because I'm uneducated
A classical monotheist answer: to take part in the joy of God's infinite goodness.
A materialistic answer (so far): yeah I get that this question is one of the most universal and pressing things in human history but actually just forget it
I don't know any other answers because I'm uneducated
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 5:00:16 PM No.17841056
>>17840786 (OP)
God simply existed and he created everything.
God simply existed and he created everything.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 5:22:19 PM No.17841115
>>17840786 (OP)
They figured out how the universe came to exist. To know why it happened, we have to go further. The first thing is to discard all fire-related imagery. Heraclitus is out. The "big bang" was not red and yellow, it wasn't a nuclear detonation or even a supernova, we're viewing a larger scale here. No, matter behaves more like a liquid -- Thales is in. Genesis is back in. The Big Drip was a bag of matter/energy, like a black hole, that formed in another universe and eventually dripped through, splattering everywhere. The behavior of matter is like liquid in a vacuum, bouncing or sticking to itself and turning spherical. Because smaller black holes exist here, we might surmise the previous universe is a more energetic version of ours, or even just an earlier version with galaxy whirlpools forming and colliding constantly in a relatively smaller area. We might envision them as different zones of an ocean, only radiating out from one source of absolute energy. One ultimate black-hole ocean at the center of all universes, that occasionally sloughs energy like the smaller versions do. After that, or rather before, you enter theoretical phases of matter. Imagine an exo-universe empty of matter and gravity, so no liquid behavior. Only energy charge and discharge like invisible lightning that eventually coalesce into the ultimate ocean. It's possible that when heat death occurs, not just of our universe but of all universes in many trillions of centuries, similar conditions will exist because all the energy will be dispersed into huge fields that scrape over each other where universes meet, going back to the ocean zone metaphor. It's probably an infinite cycle where the natural state of matter is just gravel floating in the abyss and occasionally a pileup of universes causes so much energy buildup that reality comes into existence. Why does the piece of gravel, your ancestor, exist? The world where it doesn't exist is likely a human invention. They're crafty.
They figured out how the universe came to exist. To know why it happened, we have to go further. The first thing is to discard all fire-related imagery. Heraclitus is out. The "big bang" was not red and yellow, it wasn't a nuclear detonation or even a supernova, we're viewing a larger scale here. No, matter behaves more like a liquid -- Thales is in. Genesis is back in. The Big Drip was a bag of matter/energy, like a black hole, that formed in another universe and eventually dripped through, splattering everywhere. The behavior of matter is like liquid in a vacuum, bouncing or sticking to itself and turning spherical. Because smaller black holes exist here, we might surmise the previous universe is a more energetic version of ours, or even just an earlier version with galaxy whirlpools forming and colliding constantly in a relatively smaller area. We might envision them as different zones of an ocean, only radiating out from one source of absolute energy. One ultimate black-hole ocean at the center of all universes, that occasionally sloughs energy like the smaller versions do. After that, or rather before, you enter theoretical phases of matter. Imagine an exo-universe empty of matter and gravity, so no liquid behavior. Only energy charge and discharge like invisible lightning that eventually coalesce into the ultimate ocean. It's possible that when heat death occurs, not just of our universe but of all universes in many trillions of centuries, similar conditions will exist because all the energy will be dispersed into huge fields that scrape over each other where universes meet, going back to the ocean zone metaphor. It's probably an infinite cycle where the natural state of matter is just gravel floating in the abyss and occasionally a pileup of universes causes so much energy buildup that reality comes into existence. Why does the piece of gravel, your ancestor, exist? The world where it doesn't exist is likely a human invention. They're crafty.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:24:07 AM No.17842683
>>17840786 (OP)
Is that ai?
Is that ai?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:28:48 AM No.17842695
>>17840922
>the point is to ask yourself what the point is
Gay. God should bring back the dinosaurs and scrap everything else.
>the point is to ask yourself what the point is
Gay. God should bring back the dinosaurs and scrap everything else.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:47:49 AM No.17842740
in b4 simulation
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:25:23 AM No.17842957
>>17842740
>in b4 simulation
If we're in a simulation then something else exists that needs to simulate our world.
>in b4 simulation
If we're in a simulation then something else exists that needs to simulate our world.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:35:13 AM No.17842978
>>17840786 (OP)
Philosophy cannot answer ontology; only religion can. It’s why the Greek philosophers still held to their pagan mythos of creation and why Taoists worship Shang-Ti. Philosophy is great for ascertaining ethics, meaning, and discerning motive but philosophical thinking cannot lead you to a starting point of creation.
Philosophy cannot answer ontology; only religion can. It’s why the Greek philosophers still held to their pagan mythos of creation and why Taoists worship Shang-Ti. Philosophy is great for ascertaining ethics, meaning, and discerning motive but philosophical thinking cannot lead you to a starting point of creation.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 4:37:57 AM No.17842984
>>17842978
Get the fuck out of here punk. That's a lot of words to say "God did it" which as we all know, doesn't exist.
Get the fuck out of here punk. That's a lot of words to say "God did it" which as we all know, doesn't exist.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:41:16 AM No.17843297
>>17840786 (OP)
I don't think so. Most just argue it's a brute fact, which I think is really gay. At that point you can just argue God is a brute fact and handwave all logic away.
I don't think so. Most just argue it's a brute fact, which I think is really gay. At that point you can just argue God is a brute fact and handwave all logic away.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:46:37 AM No.17843375
>>17840786 (OP)
>presupposing causality
>presupposing existence
A cause without an effect is not a cause. An effect without a cause is not an effect. The essence of philosophy is this: "How does the infinite go forth out of itself and come to finitude?" Besides existence, you presuppose non-existence as well. Nothing concrete can constitute "the beginning" because it is held in distinction to an other. In other words, it gains its identity through a contrast with something else: it is this-not-that. With what must the beginning of philosophy (or science) be made?
>presupposing causality
>presupposing existence
A cause without an effect is not a cause. An effect without a cause is not an effect. The essence of philosophy is this: "How does the infinite go forth out of itself and come to finitude?" Besides existence, you presuppose non-existence as well. Nothing concrete can constitute "the beginning" because it is held in distinction to an other. In other words, it gains its identity through a contrast with something else: it is this-not-that. With what must the beginning of philosophy (or science) be made?