Thread 17841829

Why do people still deny that Africa was better off under European rule? As soon as our labour to civilize that continent started bearing fruit, we called it quits and left them to their own devices; for many reasons not our own of course. But why is this fact still such a taboo? My coworkers, for example, will just not hear it.

Is it because they're propagandized through and through?

>>17841829 (OP)
How many Africans lived in picrel?

>>17841829 (OP)
In what way? By pretty much all standards Africa now is better than under colonial rule. Higher living standards, higher life expectancy, growing economy, higher literacy rates etc. I can’t think of a single metric in which colonial Africa surpasses post-colonial Africa.

>>17841839
but anon! the pretty buildings for euro colonists!

>>17841844
Chuds do be like that

>>17841829 (OP)
because our modern world is built upon the myth of absolute equality.
if we admit that certain races are superior to others, then it's only a matter of time before society is back to ethnic nationalism and ethnic cleasings.
if we admit that certain genders are superior to others, then it's only a matter of time before women lose all rights and go back to being their father/husband's property.

it all starts with an admission. this is why modern states are so hellbent on controlling speech and defining what's acceptable to say and what is not.
because soon enough, if people aren't allowed to say something, then they stop even thinking it. it stops crossing their mind and gets replacedby govt-approved thoughts.

>>17841835
a couple
>>17841839
fake numbers
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/cog/republic-of-congo/life-expectancy

>>17841829 (OP)
>Why do people still deny that Africa was better off under European rule?
Denial. The hilariously dark thing about the point youre making is, this pattern is playing out in the developed world itself
Cities in the US which always had sizeable black populations but the political machines were always controlled by whites are now being taken over, if not already, by the niggers who live there
You're not going to believe how things are going
When you point out to the typical urban liberal in Cincinnati, St. Louis, Buffalo, Detroit etc that their city is now worse, in many metrics, than cities in countries that we regularly bomb, what you get is blame shifting, finger pointing, "it's the Republicans in the state capital!!" and if there aren't any Republicans in the state capital then its the Republicans in DC, if Dems control the federal government then its "institutional racism, or some such nonsensical bogeyman
And if you act unconvinced by these excuses they just blame you for pointing out how poor and dangerous their once great city was and shove their head in the sand

>>17841879
What is that pic supposed to prove?

>>17841829 (OP)
Africa has a higher gdp per capita now

>>17841900
>Africa has a higher gdp per capita now
Do you think Africa is a country?

>>17841829 (OP)
Cuck tier mentality
No such thing as benevolant conqueror, its like me coming to your home killing your brother and then giving you millions and its OK
Also this didnt benefited africans

>>17841829 (OP)
>Why do people still deny that Africa was better off under European rule?

It wasn't. There's plenty of people today that were alive during European colonialism in Africa, maybe it was good for the 10% of European colonists but shit for everyone else. of course not every country is like this, Zimbabwe is a clear example of a country that's worse off, but that doesn't change the fact that most are.

>>17841844
This anon makes a great point, usually the pro-colonialists will show an extremely rural hut then show a more modern city back in the 50s/60s, not only is it blatant cherry picking, it also just backfires on them because it shows how unequal colonies were, those cities were for colonialists only and maybe a handful of native African elite.

>>17841829 (OP)
>implying this isn't a shill thread

>>17841946
The thing is that most africans lived in mudhuts back then (and even today), and even now they don't pave roads, lack plumbing or basic sanitation, a lot of them don't have electricity much less internet, I could go on
And they don't seem to be capable of doing all of these things by themselves

>>17841893
This is an exaggeration. One of the alleged war zone cities, Baltimore, is near me. Crime is an issue and the city's infrastructure and schools aren't great but the arts and culture scene is wonderful, and it's a minority of neighborhoods that have serious crime problems

>>17841839
>>17841844
>>17841852
>>17841946
So africans are successful enough to export foreign aid to the Europeans whos continent has vastly less resources right?
Africans are sending money to Europe out of charity and good will?

>>17841983
Cleveland, Detroit, Memphis, New Orleans and Baltimore are all in the top 50 most dangerous cities on Earth
Cope harder
>It's only the nigger neighborhoods
So? That makes it okay?

>>17841829 (OP)
U.S. propaganda mostly. Since they never partook in the scramble of Africa they rinsed the “colonialism bad” card until it’s worn to shreds. Africans had it much better than today.

>>17841829 (OP)
Looks like a shithole.

>>17841897
The amount of people that lived in Kinshana in response to anon asking how many Africans there were.

>>17841946
>those cities were for colonialists only
Lold at this blatant dishonesty
>>17842037
You should see it now!

>>17842057
Right now it has a higher gdp than India

>>17841829 (OP)
Both parties would have better off if european colonization of africa didnt happen

>>17842057
>You should see it now!
Who cares? The existence of a bigger shit doesn't make a smaller shit any less so. I wouldn't want to live there instead of Europe, regardless.

>>17842076
Fake number

>>17841829 (OP)
>left them to their own devices
Lol.
Fucking lmao.
Africa is still actively being screwed over by Europeans and now Americans.

>>17841829 (OP)
Would you be fine with the idea of Europe being ruled over by caste of untouchable racial surpremacists whose only concern is enriching themselves?

>>17841839
Just look at the stats when the majority African countries gain independence in the 1960s
>Africa literacy rate: 20 percent
>Africa Electricity capacity: 13,000 MW
>Rural population percentage: 88 percent
>Gdp per capita: $174.86

>>17841829 (OP)
If someone stole your wife from her, made her orgasm, and then objectively raised your kids with her better than you ever could would you ever like them?

>>17842292
Sources?

>>17842845
No

>>17841839
>can’t think of a single metric in which colonial Africa surpasses post-colonial Africa.
The pretty photo of downtown areas compared to the photos of rural areas ratio!

>>17841829 (OP)
>Why do people still deny that Africa was better off under European rule?
Euros have welfare. What more do they want. You'd get more out of being on welfare or working in Europe/NA tha. Working in Africa.

>As soon as our labour to civilize that continent started bearing fruit, we called it quits and left them to their own devices; for many reasons not our own of course.
Imperial powers treated them like dogshit and no sort of reform ever truly popped up.

>My coworkers, for example, will just not hear it.
>Is it because they're propagandized through and through?
They aren't keen about living in a racial+class hierachal closet welfare society for losers who somehow failes in Europe that also still loses to places like China or Malaysia. Just ask for more welfare and social assistance.

>>17841893
Somehow you turned this into a platform to scream about black Americans

>>17841860
That just makes the West and men look sociopathic.

>>17841977
>much less internet
They post on the internet a lot.

>>17843050
They have the least access to the internet out of any continent

>>17841835
None. As usual.
>>17841993
>changes the subject to a void confronting the argument
Classic.

>>17841893
>typical urban liberal
Rent free

>>17841829 (OP)
OP, this level of chuddery is why you have no friends. You should go work on a plantation owned by a man named Leopold and post your results if you still have hands.

>>17842292
Stats before colonization
>Africa literacy rate: 0 percent
>Africa Electricity capacity: 0 MW
>Rural population percentage: 100 percent
>Gdp per capita: bush meat and bananas

>>17841829 (OP)
>As soon as our labour to civilize that continent started bearing fruit, we called it quits and left them to their own devices
That's wrong on many accounts. First, not everyone called it quits. The British did, yes, as soon as it became clear they weren't gonna hold out against the rising tide of anti-colonial sentiment. Ironically they also pretty much abandoned all their colonial subjects which quickly became overthrown by countless military juntas and/or communist rebels. And still it didn't happen everywhere: South Africa and Rhodesia held on even without an Empire. The French tried to trick their colonies into joining their French Community to continue exploitation. The Belgians sabotaged Congo by bankrolling one of the separatist movements that represented their interests. And the Portuguese openly fought against their colonies' independence up until the death of Salazar. Then even those colonies that achieved freedom were inevitably involved in a Cold War powerplay with both the USSR and the US sponsoring countless guerillas and authoritarian regimes, which doesn't really favor stable development. And even nowadays there are plenty of Western corporations who bribed African governments to keep exploiting their nations' resources and population, to say nothing of global powers using mercenaries to protect their interests

>>17843198
>reddit lingo
>reddit history

>>17843215
>>Africa literacy rate: 0 percent
Wrong, it was probably like 5% to 10% or something around that at 1800. Maybe higher or lower, there's, obviously, not many stats for it.
>Africa Electricity capacity: 0 MW
Same electricity capacity as the rst of the world, in 1800.
>>Rural population percentage: 100 percent
Wrong, by all accounts. Coastal West Africa for example had a very large, even majoritarian percentage of it's population living in cities. These cities could get pretty big. The largest went to around 80 000 inhabitants.
>Gdp per capita: bush meat and bananas
That measurement did not exist yet.
>>17843215
To be fair South Africa and Rhodesia only held on because they stuck together with Portugal and have limited support from the U.S and such. It didn't take very long for all three to go under once they started to do so. (Portugal in '75, five years later Rhodesia, Twelve years later South Africa).
Though to be frank all three were doomed from the start, though only Rhodesia was completely unworkable.

>>17843248
>Maybe higher or lower, there's, obviously, not many stats for it.
Without writing, you can't have literacy.

>>17843215
SOUL

>>17843286
>Without writing, you can't have literacy.
But there was writing allover Africa though? You do know Africans were using latin script when they were exposed to European traders out in west Africa? There's also the many adaptations of Arabic script, Ge'ez script. Egypt and Nubia are is self-explanatory with their usage of various script and shifts from one script to another.

>>17843173
And yet still have their own web communities, memes, forums and mark on the web. Stop trying to cover up the fact that you basically are as outdated as boomer on the topic.

>>17843286
But there was writing in Sub-saharan Africa before the Scramble. Arabic, Ge'ez, and Latin were the main alphabets used.
There were also some proto-scripts in West Africa IIRC.

>>17843321
Regardless, I don't think one should determine whether some people have the luxury to an undisturbed existence or not based on how far advanced they are on an arbitrary scale. (Especially one invented and calibrated by the disturbers).

>>17841829 (OP)
Because it objectively wasn't?

Also white genocide is good and if you think otherwise it's because your brain is filled with propaganda. Your extinction is natural and righteous, to resist it is to resist justice itself.

>>17842845
>Brings up cuck fantasies completely unprompted
Jeet or Jew?

>>17843315
They probabiy discuss shit like where to get bananas or other monkey shit because niggers are inferior

>>17844636
Hold your britches

>>17844636
They actually discuss a variety of topics. It's very funny, you should try looking at Nairaland once in a while.
Here's by far the funniest comment I've ever found in the forums, though
>Toto wey we no dey enjoy well well before, na him dem wan come take knife and cutlass finish patapata

>>17844636
You got corrected and you doubled down on your retardation while huff and puffing like a 6 year old having a tantrum. Not making a good impression Lil brat.

>>17843215
Point was Africa couldn't have been better under colonization the few infrastructure Europeans developed was just basically for it to be an extraction colonies

>>17841829 (OP)
1. Because you're not looking at the countries as a whole, you're looking at nice pretty photos of the urban parts which were maintained by rich, foreign countries. 99% of the population does not live in the city and suffers not one bit if the city now looks worse. Picking the Congo for your example is particularly egregious. Here's a more representative picture of the average Congolese's life under benevolent European rule. (He didn't lose his hand in a farming accident.)
2. European dominance no longer required European rule, Europeans (really, Americans) just realized you can get the minerals without enduring dengue fever thanks to modern communication technology. Why waste all your money propping up a capital and an administrative class for the country when you can just coup anyone who touches your diamond mines and leave some local kleptocrat to handle day-to-day admin? Especially when having a visible presence invites visible resentment. If life in British Buranda is shit, the locals blame the British and try to chase them out. If life in independent Buranda is shit, the locals blame their president and try to chase him out. In the first case, European business might also be chased out with the British leaders - in the latter? Well, you have the CIA sit the new president down for an informal talk where you explain that he can steal all he likes, but if he values his brains in his head instead of coating a local wall, he won't touch whitey's stuff.

>>17846159
>Niggers chop hands off other niggers
>Belgians at fault

>>17845743
Africa is a shithole, there's nothing else to discuss

How likely is it that OP is some faggot slav or a shitskin from the global south lol

>>17846909
Slav but not a faggot.

>we left them alone

This is a prolific white lie

You didn't. You used corporations to keep stealing their shit and used coups to put a warlord that would betray his country.

Burkina Fasso just kicked out France this year. Your colonial hands are all over Africa still. You keep killing anyone trying to nationalize resources like a parasite psycho

>>17841946
>here's plenty of people today that were alive during European colonialism in Africa

And they too say it was better.
Reminds me of this hilarous interview of some African university professor on French TV a decade ago.
Dude explains that old people in his country keep telling him how things were much better "back when whites were in charge", much to the shock of the liberal white journalists interviewing him who keep trying to make him change his problematic statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGBuTydNyhg

>>17846980
>Burkina Fasso just kicked out France this year.

Burkina Faso kicked the French out in early 2022, over three years ago.
Still haven't withdrawn from the CFA franc.
Still haven't become Wakanda.

>>17846159
>He didn't lose his hand in a farming accident.

He lost his hands to fellow blacks
Then he was healed by a white doctor and had some white missionary photograph him to ensure his story lives on forever.

>>17846980
their elites sell their resources to europeans and fuck everyone else because niggers don't give a shit about other niggers

>>17843248
>Wrong, it was probably like 5% to 10% or something around that at 1800.

Even in the most developed areas like Mali, it was likely way below 10%
In most of Subsaharan African regions it was 0%, and if taking Subsaharan Africa has a whole it was likely less than 2%

>>17843248
>Same electricity capacity as the rst of the world, in 1800.

He said "before colonization".
Colonization of Subsaharan Africa started in the 1880s and 1890s.
Europe and North America already had major cities with telephone and telegraphic networks, tramways and power lines.

>>17843248
>Wrong, by all accounts. Coastal West Africa for example had a very large, even majoritarian percentage of it's population living in cities. These cities could get pretty big. The largest went to around 80 000 inhabitants.

These "cities" were less impressive than your average favela in Brazil
A settlement of 8,000 huts housing 80,000 inhabitants is not a "city".
It's a campsite.

>>17846935
>Slav but not a faggot.
Dem HIV stats don't lie.

>>17841954
>shill
What? Words have meaning, WTF is OP '''shilling'''? OP works for Big Colonization?

>>17847085
That would be dem Asiatics

>>17841835
How many do now? We're talking better, not good.

>>17847074
>reee it doesn't hecking count
ok

>>17847230
>>reee it doesn't hecking count
Yeah, non-cities don't count when counting cities.

Retard.

>>17847074
>Impressive
Impressing some dickhead is not a requirement when determining if something is a city or not. You probably can't even define what is impressive in this case.
>A settlement of 8,000 huts housing 80,000 inhabitants is not a "city".
Why?
That's basically what any pre-modern city was, when all was said and done. Having some monuments at the center (which all African cities had) doesn't change shit.

>>17847310
>That's basically what any pre-modern city was

Nah
Your average major city in the 19th century was NOT composed on primitive neolithic/bronze age huts.
This was something you'de only see in Subsaharan Africa and isolated pacific islands

>>17846980
>>17847019
Surely now that Burkina Faso has expelled whitey, they can go back to being the advanced wakanda they used to be before whitey invaded...

>>17847361
90% of the population never stopped living like this so it's not really an issue.

>>17842904
Well, that's your answer for why the indigenous Africans don't like colonialism.

>>17847361
Lmao how is Black Panther still living in your head rent free for 5+ years. Pathetic honestly.

>>17847350
>Your average major city in the 19th century was NOT composed on primitive neolithic/bronze age huts
They were filled with shitty housing, run down building, shacks and pretty dirty. Cities only became remotely decent by the mid 1900s when modern urban planning, anti-pollution laws and advancement in public hygiene made it worthwhile.

>>17847253
They were cities though. You can't shift the definition at a whim.

>>17847054
>Europe and North America already had major cities with telephone and telegraphic networks, tramways and power lines.
Most civilians didn't thave access to them and full on implementation wasn't instant. Nor was electrification uniform between and within Western states (or places like Japan).

>>17847005
>old people in his country keep telling him how things were much better "back when whites were in charge"
>old people
Old people are senile as fuck.

>>17842845
>>17847816
In this scenario the wife/kids are the African people and the angry cuck is the precolonial African elites

>>17841829 (OP)
>My coworkers, for example, will just not hear it.
Imagine just trying to get through your shift and the office autist is going on about Rhodesia again lmao

>>17841829 (OP)
>But why is this fact still such a taboo?

Because it is uncomfortable an unconscionable that living like this is a character of European peoples and not necessarily something everyone in the world is particularly interested in. The idea of universal equality is basically just White Man's Burden 2.0, people aren't equal nor can they all inhabit the same place with the same standards and all get along seamlessly. The world is a big place with many different regions/climates/attitudes for a reason, we aren't supposed to all cluster up into big cities with people that normally should be thousands of miles away, this is not because either side is better than one another, people just have variance and in-group preference. This isn't evil in isolation, it is perfectly natural and we certainly have the space to accommodate it.

>>17848474
>and not necessarily something everyone in the world is particularly interested in

But they are interested in it, otherwise they wouldn't be moving en masse to white countries.
Obviously when they didn't know that anything better than living naked in huts and eating each other existed, they "weren't interested" in what they didn't know exist.
But now they are interested in these things they can't achieve by themselves.

>>17848479
Most brown people that come to white countries only come because their countries have been leveled by war and famine and because we throw money at them for coming. The people who are the reason why their countries are fucked up? We both know the answer to that one. The people throwing money at them to come here? We also both know the answer to that one.

It's funny because their has been a slow but noticeable trickle back to the homeland since places like the middle east and parts of Africa have stabilized, most people came here and simply could not swing it. Assimilating into our culture is as difficult for them as it would be for us to assimilate into theirs. It's sorta like nature course correcting human manipulation of events by reminding them that they didn't account for all variables.

>>17841829 (OP)
The lives of most teenagers and young adults would be better run by their parents, but in the long run they're better off doing it themselves. Black Africans are running 20+ million people cities now, something racists claimed they would forever be incapable of doing. If you try, you can find various faults in how they're running it, but that amounts to nothing more than nitpicking. White rule over Africa was a historical footnote, just the blink of an eye. It has now returned to the historical default - self-rule.

>>17848506
there's dirt roads and tin shacks just a couple blocks away from that pic
>Black Africans are running 20+ million people cities now, something racists claimed they would forever be incapable of doing
congratulations, niggers are now jeet tier

All turd world countries were better off colonial rule. These people cannot run countries.

>>17848506
>It has now returned to the historical default - self-rule.
That explains why it's a shithole

>>17848520
>jeet tier
jeets are higher than you on the success scale of the globalized capitalist economy now. Sorry anon, you are nothing. But hey, you at least you got that jpeg

>>17847113
a few million or so retard

>>17848506
>The lives of most teenagers and young adults would be better run by their parents, but in the long run they're better off doing it themselves
Teenagers and young adults eventually turn into fully-fledged adults. Africans will never turn European.

>>17848494
All right, buddy, cool it with the antisemitism.

>>17849449
That's what you used to say about all other races and now jeets are running SP500 companies because whites are too lazy and stupid to have careers.

>>17849545
Ah, you're a jeet.

>>17849573
My mostly correct use of the english language should tell you I'm not.

>>17848541
I'm sure it's a shithole by my standards, but lagos is a 100 billion $ GDP (nominal) city, 2nd in Africa after Cairo. If you told that to your average white supremacist of the 1950s he would say "That's impossible, niggers cant do that. They're like children, they can only build straw huts"

Heck, that very argument is still spammed on this board daily.

>>17841900
>GDP
I agree with you in premise of colonialism having been a mistake, however one can raise the GDP by exchanging the same coconut for currency 20 times in a row. A better measurement for society is the quality of life, and the quality of life. Africans seem to be happier in the mudhuts (watch African tribe documentaries if you don't believe me).

If you force a cat to wear clothes they don't like it, and if you force a vegan to eat a steak it actually makes them sick (since their body isn't used to meat). Forcing Africans to live in cities is cruel and we should have never tried it. Cities and towns are good for Europeans but aren't so good for the Africans.

>>17849726
>one can raise the GDP by exchanging the same coconut for currency 20 times in a row
No, one cannot just move a coconut back and forth for the same price and multiply its value by 20. The first sale of the coconut is counted once. The other 19 iterations only add the service fees associated with each step. Hence the difference in price if you were to buy your coconut directly at the source or at some premium posh store that resells it for a higher price. It only adds whatever difference in profit margin there is since acquisition. So if a house is bought and sold for $1 million several times in a row, for instance, only things like real estate agent fees are added after one sale.

>>17849601
>lagos is a 100 billion $ GDP (nominal) city, 2nd in Africa after Cairo
This means Lagos almost has the nominal GDP of St Petersburg (2nd in Russia). And there seems to be white people out there who seriously consider Russia a "world power"

>>17849453
you're right ... I've been freebasing too much

>>17849726
>however one can raise the GDP by exchanging the same coconut for currency 20 times in a row
This is nonsense
Don't ever post here again

>>17841829 (OP)
I'm sure most Europeans would live better under Chinese rule. Does this mean it's good to support a foreign population colonizing your lands, forcing their religion on you, and beating the piss out of you if you dissent or disagree?

>>17849909
>I'm sure most Europeans would live better under Chinese rule
Lmao

>>17849601
negro have you seen what Lagos looks like. there’s like a trillion people stuffed there in pure misery. when you have that many people it’s bound to have an economy of sorts

>>17849909
>I'm sure most Europeans would live better under Chinese rule.
wumao

>>17849930
>>17849984
See what I mean? It's better to live under self rule than it is to be colonized. Thanks for playing the game, dumbasses.

>>17849909
Chinks are not civilizationally ahead of Europe as of now.
If you want a working allegory, you should rather use the exemple of an alien civilization invading us and vastly improving our lives (curing cancer, curing mental illnesses...etc) at the cost of the humiliation of being ruled by a foreign entity

>>17849999
Your exemple doesn't work because Chinese rule would not improve the life of Europeans.
There is no positive counterpart to the humiliation of being ruled by foreigners.

So it can't be compared to European colonization of Africa, that brought very advanced medicine and technology and abolished slavery, cannibalism, tribal wars, human sacrifices....etc

>>17849999
>See what I mean?
No, I don't, because we both attacked your premise, not your argument. Refer to >>17850006

Wasted quads btw

>>17849975
Since 2015, average GDP growth / year has been 12%. What is it in your home country?

>>17841839
Yes, but consider Rhodesia or something
Idk, /pol/tards can't into IQ so good

>>17850085
>>17850006
You say that yet Euros literally have bitch fits over having to kowtow to the US and having to compete against China.

>>17851056
And if being conquered by "superiors" is good then why were so many European states in ww2 so asamad about being taken over by Nazis or Italians?

>>17849449
>Africans will never turn European.
Why would they? There's countless other states to take inspiration from at this point. Why emulate a living museum over states like Japan/SK/Taiwan/China that actually have experienced massive urbanization projects and public transport development?

>>17851061
Why are you looking for logic in these threads? You're arguing with butthurt, immature teenagers and manchildren desperately clinging to their delusional white supremacist propaganda.
To these retards, white people conquering, raping and mass murdering brown people = HECKIN' BASED, but white people being conquered, raped, and mass murdered by brown people or other white people = Unfair, cruel tragedy of unspeakable proportions :(((

>>17851164
>bumping a dead thread to have a tranny tantrum meltdown about their being multiple unrelated races in the world with pale skin you lump together as "White" (Not a real thing)
Grow up.

Here's precolonial Kishasa btw

Would you be happier if you were ruled by China and:
>You got more money
>You were more prosperous
>You were more safe
And
>You were worked like a dog if you wanted any of that benefit, 6-9-9 style hours (otherwise you were in the hinterlands boonies and if you interacted with a Chinaman it was in a negative context like them deciding your undeveloped land is forfeit)
>Every Chinaman in your country lived much much better than 98% of your country.
>You had to bow and scrape and kowtow towards any Asian or get whupped, fired, or killed outright
>Chinamen were governed by Chinese law and Chinese courts
>Chinamen could rape and abuse your women with impunity and if you fought back you were whupped or killed.

Lawrence of Arabia said better to let an Arab do something imperfectly than to do it perfectly for him, and that isn't a sentiment limited to Arabs.

>>17851204
Oh yeah and also
>The chinamen make you give up your old traditions (If you're a based tradcath or orthodox or protestant or whatever, if you're secular then let's just say they force you to become Confucianist for this metaphor)
>The chinamen require you learn their language if you want to get anywhere - and the Chinamen will treat you like a retarded dirt-soaked dog no matter how hard you try. In fact they'll laugh at you for trying to behave like a Chinaman since in colonial regimes the world over the Europeans liked dealing with the traditional nobles and hated dealing with the Westernized subalterns.
And if we run with a modern analogy then the Chinaman outsources your job out by AI/their own labor, if we go with a period analogy to colonialism then whatever craft you did is fucking annihilated by the cheap flood of foreign goods come in from the Chinaman's regime. Good luck selling your pots and pans or clothing when someone can buy 10 Chinese items for the cost of your one item.

In terms of health and safety there's no denying it's a pure net boon. Just full stop, although I had read how a foot-worm disease that never occured on one part of Africa got spread there because of colonialism. Still, let's give it that bonus. But with anything else there was a major give and take, nothing in life is free or all good.

i still cannot comprehend how europeans went to africa, created an apartheid country in rhodesia, went full /pol/mode, were kicked out and then cried victim. absolute insanity

>>17851204
doesn't matter what anybody thinks since this will be the future in 20 years.

>>17851231
The chinese have never wanted any of this. They have had like 2000 years to conquer the whole world for grorious Zhongguo and they haven't even tried.
Chin-kee's coming world domintion and mass enslavement of everyone is mostly a fantasy. And maybe even projection.

>>17841829 (OP)

It was much better under CHRISTIAN rule. If the colonizers followed Roman/Germanic/etc. paganism or, God forbid, Hinduism, the continent would make absolutely no positive changes. In fact, it would've been even worse.

>>17851327
Like, they only own so much inner Asian territory as they do because they inherited the Manchu Empire. Prior to that they showed no signs of wanting to conquer the steppes, at best just a protectorate over the Tarim Basin. And it's not like they couldn't, considering nearly any Dynasty you read about has at least one instance where they defeat militarily their Inner asian neighbors and then just leave once they are no longer a threat.

>>17841900
Every country on earth has GDP per capita higher now than in 1950 the real question is how much higher or lower it would be had Africa never been colonized.

>>17851194
Don't worry. Anons ITT assured me that these guys would have gotten paved roads, two story buildings and electricity even with Europe's help

>>17842845
Your government isn't your wife anon, people don't see the state as an extension of their family.

>>17841983
dey have dey art and dey culcha
>obese women twerking on cars while being filmed

>>17851548
Don't pretend you wouldn't be tempted to plap an obese woman's fat ass if she were twerking on a car in front of you, anon

>>17851056
The argument is that it was better for Africans when they were under European rule, not that European rule is better because it's foreign rule.

Are you an actual retard?

>>17851204
>You'd get more money
>You'd be more prosperous
Wrong for virtually all Western countries

>more safe
Only for a handful of Western countries that refuse to take drastic actions against blacks and arabs like China would

>>17851605
>it was better for Africans when they were under European rule
And it wasn't. The argument falls apart because the minute colonial era BS was brought home to European soil it was a total shitshow.

>>17851924
>Only for a handful of Western countries that refuse to take drastic actions against blacks and Arabs.
Crime is really low in the West though. Why rehash late 20th century fear pandering rhetoric. Like you do know the UK had a race riot last year when chuds were targeting black British citizens and threatening immigration lawyers?

>>17851530
They do have their own infrastructure projects now? That logic falls apart when you see how pretty much every continent has infrastructure development and gains+investment in things like education.

>>17851222
>In terms of health and safety there's no denying it's a pure net boon
Most colonies had no access to Healthcare because their budgets were too small or the population was far too spread out. Most healthcare gains happened after colonialism solely because these states actually had budgetary control over the previous regime where everything was funneled towards labour and reaource extraction.

>>17852000
>Crime is really low in the West though.

Still too high, because of some groups in particular

>>17852003
Although healthcare even in Europe and the western world was pretty shitty during the colonial. A lot of people died to easily preventable things and a lot of the stuff we know now wasn't a thing back then.

>>17852007
>Still too high
From basically zero lol. Like its not even close to the levels remotely needed for more polling investment at all.

>>17852015
So like even if all the people bitching about crime tried pushing a lobby in Europe. It won't work out because any budget wank to funnel into "policing" won't do much because most if the time it just gets eaten up by admin costs if the on the ground foot officers and extra surveillance budget far outweighs the actual need. Any budget increase will probably go into anti-deug trafficking measures because that is morenor legit concern than street crime.

>>17852021
>any budget wank to funnel into "policing" won't do much

No budget is needed
Jusst deport all arabs and blacks and the cost of doing so will be covered by the massive amount no longer spent on monthly welfare for these communities

>>17852030
>Jusst deport all arabs and blacks
Any mass measure to do so will always backfires onto everyone else everytime.

>the cost of doing so will be covered by the massive amount no longer spent on monthly welfare for these communities
Massive amount lol. The welfare budget is not that huge, you would waste more dumping money into policing than putting money into social assistance and welfare. The police departments with the massive budgetary bloat are always the most ineffient and slow out of the bunch.

>>17852001
Yes after Europe civilized them they can create structures from materials other than mud

>>17851995
It was.

>>17851924
You're not following the metaphor. Do you have trouble understanding hypotheticals, like if you did not have breakfast today how would you feel?

The hypothetical is if your situation in a near future resembled that of the Africans, you would hate the Chinaman and his subjugation of you. Entry level retards see a pretty picture of a colonial capital and think that everyone was living in those nice buildings. Like the level of dumb faggot thinking shows, going back to the whole "But I did have breakfast this morning", people are fucking morons. Not for wrong opinions but inability to even understand the context.

It's not
>Colonialism wasn't so bad because if we look at death rates for tribal peoples then we can see more people lived to older age under European rule than as independent hunter-gatherers or poor farmers.
Not
>Blacks needed colonialism because they were too disunited and violent on their own
Not
>Colonialism was temporary pain to jump these primitive societies into modernity.
It's
>COLONIALISM GOOD CUZ PRETTY BUILDING NOT MUD HUT EVERYBODY LIVE IN PRETTY BUILDING

>>17852877
You never stated that your comparison was supposed to take place in an alternate reality.

If in the future China is very very advanced compared to Europe and colonizes Europe, bringing new technology and a massive increase in quality of life, then yes it will be worth the humiliation of being civilized by foreign invaders.

>>17846107
SovL

>>17851328

This.

People's reaction when you talked them about Rhodesia is seeing you as a racist when its quite the opposite.
Rhodesia was investing many money in educating the black majority population.
The only country where i have seen this and it worked is in the dominican Republic, in the spanish colonial period they often educated the black population and after the independence there was also many effort in do westernization fastest as posible.
Thats why the dominican republic is the best black country in the world, with 10,000$ pib per capita, while his neighbour, haiti is 1000 dollars per capita

>>17851327
It is a fantasy/projection designed to help whitey feel better about being evil
Westerners were literally pissing their pants about "yellow peril" and drawing cartoons of the sinister Chinese octopus strangling the world, during the height of European imperialism in China

>>17852007
>suspect rates
Now do actual criminal convictions

>>17843328
This desu.

>>17853910
Justice systems doesn't do stats by nationality, only polices do.
The vast majority of people arrested are guilty, there isn't some epic international conspiracy against Algerians

>>17854169
But there's a hecking conspiracy against mayonnaise people, right?

>>17841829 (OP)
>Why do people still deny that Africa was better off under European rule?
They're brainwashed to think that white people governing brown people is intrinsically some sort of abject horror. Oh the horror of safe streets, property rights, the rule of law and busses that run on time.

>>17852877
In an alternate reality, where Europeans were Africans, I would accept a superior culture's rule over Europe. Just like I accept, and even 'love', the past Roman rule over the Germanics.

Nigger.

>>17841829 (OP)
Because whites are bad at governing, always have been, and stats support it.

The only things white are good at is wars. Not fighting them, mind you. Just starting them.

>>17841839
But they had nicer pictures back then

>>17854745
What races are good at governing?

>>17855050
Australian aboriginals. They are so good at ruling you don't even notice.

>>17853862
Yeah but still most dominicans are heavily mixed they are not fully african, and their ruling class is mostly whites and euro leaning mulattoes, so its not exactly the best example of a "succesful black nation".

Other caribbean countries like Bahamas or Barbados are better examples.

>>17855050
Asians, mostly. Also non Arab middle eastern cultures.

>>17843019
They are generally awful. Lol

T. Atlantan

>>17841860
>if we admit that certain races are superior to others, then it's only a matter of time before society is back to ethnic nationalism and ethnic cleasings.

I reject this. Peaceful race realism is possible.

>>17843321
No no. No Arabic or Ge'ez. Not North Africa or Ethiopia. Those populations were long exposed to other areas of the world and have quite different genetics. This is what y'all always do when this argument is brought up. We are talking about Sub-Saharans and West Africans. Now see if you can answer the question. That as interesting about the West African proto-scripts though.

>>17842005
>Cleveland, Detroit, Memphis, New Orleans and Baltimore are all in the top 50 most dangerous cities on Earth
Utter nonsense.

>>17847402
This.
European development of Africa was purely surface level.

Yahawashi's coming back to fucking slaughter devils. Keep watch.

>>17846980
>Burkina Fasso just kicked out France this year.
The French were there in accordance with the UN and at the request of Burkina Faso. Once the coup happened, Burkina went full retard, as they always do, revoked the previous agreements and asked France to leave. And France did, because it was never there against the will of the host country. Since France’s departure, the country is about to be steamrolled by the very jihadists France was efficiently fighting. Once it happens, the new rulers of Burkina Faso will ask the French to come back and take care of their problems

>implying all those ports, hotels, trains, warehouses, universities were for the benefit of the locals

They were whites only lol. Meanwhile blacks are on plantations getting their hand chopped off or getting crushed to death in a mine. Any infrastructure whitey built was just there to steal shit faster and make expat colonizers live in comfort.

Why do whites love lying?

>>17857204
Were the mosques built by whitey during colonial rule "for Europeans only" too?
How did those mosques help "steal shit faster" btw?
And also, how comes there are photographs of local negroes being healed in these "white only" hospitals?

>>17857752
Oh fancy buildings most of the population had little access to during most of colonization. Abusive labohr policies, constant crackdowns, forced to fight and contribute for two world wars, and French administration kidnapping mixed race kids and forcing them to go to orphanages. Lol fuck off.

>>17856427
>Those populations were long exposed to other areas of the world and have quite different genetics
Here comes the chud copes. They are African.

>>17856407
Compared to what goes on in general they are pretty tame.

>>17857755
>Oh fancy buildings most of the population had little access to during most of colonization
So now we went from "only wypipo had access to these" to "okay negroes did too, but only few of them".

>French administration kidnapping mixed race kids and forcing them to go to orphanages
Lmao did you just make this up based on Australia's "stolen generation" bullshit?

>>17854305
>where Europeans were Africans, I would accept a superior culture's rule over Europe
You wouldnt because that's a massive hypothetical from the safety of your phone. Yet we do have opebly public cases of Euros screaming about Chinese and Indians outdoing them or losing their economy prowess.

>>17852886
>then yes it will be worth the humiliation of being civilized by foreign invaders.
You'll be dead. All while hinging on the bet that your descendants somehow will become rich by the end of it or that they don't get sent as fodder from some war.

>>17857777
>Lmao did you just make this up based on Australia's "stolen generation" bullshit?
It's real. French and Belgium actually kidnapped kids and forced them into state run orphanages. Also why do you simp so hard for France as an Australian? You post this shit on /his/ and /int/ with the exact same pics. Australia didn't even benefit from Asian and Africa colonialism asides from the vague possibility of getting bloated expat jobs abroad.

>>17841860
>because our modern world is built upon the myth
yes
> ....
bullshit you made up

>>17841829 (OP)
It was not better off for the africans, they were kept out of positions of power and knowledge. When they kicked out the whites, everything turned to shit because nobody had any idea how to maintain trains, mines etc as the whites did it all. The africans went from almost prehistoric levels to modernity, of course a spear chucker isn’t going to get to grips with the combustion engine, but his son might. Now, especially since the access to the internet is much more available, it is their fault for not utilising this free knowledge and building up their own networks. They have had decades to see how the global economy works, and the examples of the former asian colonies who picked themselves up.
I believe namibia has done a good job of becoming a non shithole, I never hear of slums there like in SA or nigeria, or civil wars like in Congo or somalia. There are some others who are improving alot like the gambia, kenya. Africa is no longer monolithicly the worst.
Would they have been better off without colonialism? I don’t believe the question is possible. The fact that they are a technologically lesser area means that they WILL get exploited, the more backward you are the easier you are to exploit. “Africa” simply got unlucky, somewhere had to be the most backward and it ended up being them. If their geography and climate had been more favourable, then they would have been more advanced and wouldn’t have been able to be colonised, and probably would have colonised other places.

>>17857778
>Euros screaming about Chinese and Indians outdoing them
Indians scamming our elderly and the Chinese filling our warehouses with junk, and scamming our education system, is not them ruling over us for our benefit.

Nigger.

>>17857899
Still bitchi g and kvetching about them "taking over". You really sound insecure over this.

I wish /his/ had location flags.

>>17853862
>Rhodesia was investing many money in educating the black majority population.
White children were receiving 10x per child in funding over African children based on three UNESCO report

>>17857778
>Yet we do have opebly public cases of Euros screaming about Chinese and Indians outdoing them
jeet detected, where's my uber eats ganjesh?

>>17857933
So imagine trying to say they were trying to educate them when moat were still in missio schools and the government only said it was responsible for education in the white population...despite living in the same state.

>The minister defended his rejection of another call for an equal share of the educational budget in 1969, by pointing out that this would mean that E98 less per year would be spent on each European child, and only E9 extra on each African child. He concluded: ‘The benefit to the African would not be great but the effect on the European would be disasterous.’ Here again an essential link with policy in other areas must be noted. European education of such a superior nature is regarded as essential if white immigrants are to be attracted and retained. Thus, not only are African children subjected to a distorted system, African workers are also excluded from moving up into skilled jobs reserved for white immigrants.
The Europeam children had £160 per kid. Africans? £16

>>17857944
And yet you can't do shit about South and Eastern Asians. Gonna call your regional manager Jake Wong a chink on group chat?

>>17857778
>of Euros screaming
I understand that people here care very little. The most aggressively and consistently anti-Chinese organization is the Lego company.

>>17857204
>They were whites only lol.

Yeah sure bro
Settler colonialism wasn't even a thing outside of Rhodesia and South Africa, yet Europeans built cities all over Africa

>>17857998
Dumbest. Angola and Mozambique+Kenya were settler colonies. Others were on the treadmill to be one. The "non-settler colonies" all had segregation and spatial laws banning Africans from freedom of movement and living in areas on top of laws micro managing in how racial hierarchies were supposed to be upheld

>>17858095
And every colony engaged in land removal and kowtowing to white corporate and individual interests. Lake Victoria is fucked because some British guy in the government thought the fish in the lake was "too small" and wanted to pad his resume by having bigger fish(to tax) so he introduced Nile Perch into lake. He alos explictly defied biologist consultations to NOT do something that stupid. So now the lake is fucked because the Nile Perch literally eats every other fish in the lake in one big Kirby-esque swallow.

>>17858095
Depending on how you define "Settler Colony" every cvolony in Africa was one to an extent. Excluding Protectorates and edge cases like German Togo.
The Belgian Congo was a settler colony, technically. The strangest places were African Settler colonies:
>Namibia
>Eritrea
Forgot the rest. Shit. Maybe the Ivory coast.

>>17857899
>Indians scamming our elderly and the Chinese filling our warehouses with junk, and scamming our education system, is not them ruling over us for our benefit.
Neither are European settlers kidnapping youth to forcefully indoctrinate them into serving as mentally enslaved colonial administrators while they build white-only infrastructure to loot the country with little to no benefits for the local populace except for further colonial indoctrination disguised as evangelism. Keep crying about immigration though, you'll be Abdul Chang and Nbugu's slave

>>17858120
Settler colonies = colonies that were intended to be mass settled with Europeans.
Non-settler colonies = your average colony where only a few white people lived to run the administration and industry.

>>17858105
>>17858268
>nooooo think of poor niggerinoes!
No, i will not.
And /his/ is not place for holier than thou sermons, faggot

>>17858268
If European rule was so bad why doesn't Africa revert back to cannibalism and other ooga-booga shit?

>>17858281
Yeah alright whitoid you're right, now with that logic you should happily accept a bunch of non-whites settling and gaining huge power over the natives in the UK as long as they aren't the majority of the population.

>>17858302
It never really stopped.

>>17858268
>youth to forcefully indoctrinate them into serving as mentally enslaved
So literally just normal education?

>>17858308
Uhuh

>>17851000
>wrongthinkers can't into idealogically correct rightthinking so good

>>17858300
Then nobody will care what happens to Europe and its declining native white population which isn't much of a change. Even your own governments hate you kek
>>17858316
Showing up with "education" that only implants white worship first and actual education second is barely education and it is right to oppose it

>>17851164
You are not mature for treating conformity like religious virtue, you are not mature for treating official narrative like word of god.
>desperately clinging to their delusional white supremacist propaganda.
Oh, so its magically okay when its (you) clinging your delusional official narrative propaganda?
Nice double standards, hypocrite.

>>17851164
>utterly childish namecalling
>reddity, snarky passive agressive tone
Oh look, we have here a big boy "mature" sòyboy.

>>17858316
Imagine if you got force fed the Bible and then basically abandoned mid way through primary school because you couldn't afford missionary school fees, or basically be the rare few to enter high school but had your grade school education basically be "regurgitate bible quotes and colonial propaganda lines".

>>17858345
He's right though you are all hypocrites and this board remains a shithole for your kind to circle jerk in about le wh*te superiority and benevolence that are clearly lies, as you are replaced by migrants from across the world who live off your tax dollars. Cope more

>>17858340
>You are not mature for treating conformity like religious virtue, you are not mature for treating official narrative like word of god
But all these chuds spout the same agitprop lines

>when its (you) clinging your delusional official narrative propaganda
So white supremacists say pretty nasty shir yet act like the victim when people call them out? What the fuck do they want? A little playground to shout Nigger in?

Why do people still deny that Spain and Balkans was better off under Moorish and Turkish rule? As soon as their labour to civilize that peninsula of asia started bearing fruit, they called it quits and left them to their own devices; for many reasons not their own of course. But why is this fact still such a taboo?

>>17858317
I'm gonna regret being right, but I have to correct you on this, Child Sacrifice is a real problem in Uganda.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/spike-in-human-sacrifice-incidents-worries-authorities-in-uganda/2629107
https://worldhope.org/stopchildsacrifice/
Obviously it's not like they're killing thousands every year but still

Slavery is still somewhat practice though obviously underground outside of shitholes like Mauritania.

>>17858383
Idk about Cannibalism though I'm sure it still continues to an extent.

>>17851204
>Would you be happier if you thought about poor niggerinos
No and unlike you i have no desire to think or care about niggers.

>>17858417
Then don't post about them, wh*te cuck slave paying taxes and getting robbed by brownoids

>>17858383
Yeah child abuse is global problem.

>Slavery is still somewhat practice though obviously underground
Oh no. Forced and coerced labour is super explicit and out in the open. The broad label of Slavery most of the time puts a very Uber specific form of it.

>>17858417
Bringing up blacks spontaneously is a chud/white supremacist classic. Funny seeing expats try to do that in places like Asia or in the middle of Africa in public

>>17858441
I was just trying to prove a point that those never really went away with colonialism.
Oddly enough did you know that in Benin to combat Slavery they had a king (don't remeber which one) use his spiritual authority to free all the slaves. It's a very interesting continent, even if I don't understand it very much.

>>17852877
No, i will not imagine your sick, antiwhite fantas and i will not care or think about niggers.

>>17858469
You care enough to be in a thread about said Niggers so I don't know if we can trust your word.

>>17843019
>black Americans
Aka niggers.

>>17843198
Conformist friends are like cardboard cutout friends.

>>17843221
>Salazar
slytherin?

>>17847860
>acts like someone magically cares about him and his shit
Indeed pathetic

>>17858531
You do, parasite

>>17848506
>80iq-90iq niggers are running 20+ million people cities now, something heretics claimed they would forever be incapable of doing.
Not on their own

>>17848570
>being literal shabbos goyim is le success

>>17857755
>Abusive labohr policies,
For whitey too in his home countries

>>17858336
>nobody will care what happens to Europe and its declining native white population
It happens regardless if i care about niggers or not, retard

>>17858336
>Showing up with "education" that only implants white worship first and actual education second is barely education and it is right to oppose it
You literally describing our modern "education"

>>17858336
Why do you act as if random people magically care about your thoughts and feelings?

>>17858363
>shithole for your kind
It would be perfectly okay for you if said shithole was for leftist kind

>>17858367
>But all these chuds spout the same agitprop lines
But its magically okay when its (you) doing the same?

>>17858441
>mass replies
What the matter, captcha is too hard for you?
>being this obsessed with witchhunting imaginary heretics
What do you think thread topic is about, retard?

>>17858471
>we
Collectivistic insect without personality

>>17858547
>anybody who isn't workist wageslave commie is parasite

>>17858665
I'm a gestalt consciousness, actually.

>>17843215
they've copied the Scandinavian lifestyle

>>17854981
everyone had because they all hired the literal same architects whose designs took literal apes to implement also all technology was simpler so even basic imports made all countries seem equal, advanced - look at today with actual education and brain power being required to produce more value in your economy and every device requiring higher maintenance and being more sophisticated, the world quickly showed its true colors, with former decent looking countries in Africa and Middle East instantly starting to look like barely maintained shitholes.

>>17859106
>with former decent looking countries in Africa and Middle East instantly starting to look like barely maintained shitholes.
Infrastructure has improved a lot though. Have you even looked at how much work was actually done or the type kf things key for the public like public transit stations? Back in the day they had none of that and many areas had way way more income disparity.

>>17858662
>mass replies
Only two you retard

>>17858651
I'm not him but it's funny how we have legit people here screaming the same racist talking points 24/7. Yet some shitposter does a low effort reversal and he sets you off.

>>17858550
Most of the city polticians are locals and every nearly city has been globalized for the past 40+ years. No city has "done it on their own" because they all required the trade, investment and support from other cities nearby and on the local/regional/global scales

>>17859101
the african lifestyle moved to scandinavia

whites wish they could be the jews of africa (and asia) so bad lmao

>>17846909
100%. Thirdies on this website constantly babble about niggers because they think it'll make them look marginally better in the eyes of rich white westerners.

>>17841829 (OP)
>our labour
Where you there?

>>17850006
>it doesn't work because
>*starts echoing the exact same rationalizations Africans give for not wanting to be colonized*
People like you should just be shot instead of argued with. You're severely retarded.

>>17859217
All they did was hand it away for free to Indians and/or Chinese. Well there's also the very weird Arab/Muslim dick sucking narratives they had in several places. The type of dick sucking suction so strong you'd think it was delta p.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXgKxWlTt8A

>>17859220
your strange delusion about all white supremacists being non white and brown is very curious and very stupid

>>17859239
It's fact. Its super easy to bandwagon or grift with. Easy money, little risk.

>>17859217
Not Jews per se. More like their slaves never revolted.
And not all whites obviously.

>>17859251
>Easy money, little risk.

>>17859239
You are brown. I can tell because only shitskins spam the same filenames over and over in a feminine snarky manner like you do. You wouldn't know White if you died in a blizzard, you spic tranny.

>>17859251
>>17859282
take your meds
there is no incentive for non whites to be white supremacists

>>17859239
to be honest it's true. most of the people on /int/ i see talking about how great White people are aren't even White

>>17859310
You should visit /int/ and /pol/ sometime. Not because I recommend them, but because you're blatantly wrong and 3 seconds there will prove it to you.

>>17859310
yes there is and i will explain why
1) they believe White people to be superior
2) therefore, they want to be considered White
this is quite literally THE reason why (non-White) European immigrants coming to America started identifying as White, they didn't want to be seen as non-White invaders and foreigners and they wanted to fit in with Anglo-American culture. it was also a way for the administration to pass off the newcomers as being "just like us".

>>17859321
brown people can not and never will be white though so that does not check out
>>17859314
>>17859311
flags can be deceptive and don't prove much if anything

>>17859335
>brown people can not and never will be white though so that does not check out
I agree but that doesn't stop them from identifying as White and checking the "White" box on census forms.

>>17859338
They can identify as an apache helicopter if they want but that has no bearing upon reality.

>>17859339
Nah, there are non-White people who identify as White and they look "close enough" that people believe them.

>>17847019
>REEEE self determination is bad!!! you have to let foreign races control you!!!!!

>>17859406
Self-determination is good, but blaming your civilizational failures on foreign domination (real or alleged) when the real cause clearly lies somewhere else, is super cringe.

>>17859225
>*starts echoing the exact same rationalizations Africans give for not wanting to be colonized*

Life conditions improved dramatically for Africans as the result of European colonization.
Slavery and human sacrifices ended, trobal wars ended, modern medicine and technology were introduced, making the child mortality rate drop massively.
None of this would apply to Europe in China colonized them right now.
So the comparison, doesn't work and your IQ is probably red on the map.

>>17859550
Nobody has to accept foreign rule and the tramping of their self-determination because of "muh civilizational gains and shit". What makes you think you are rational white neanderthal cuck faggot, ur still whining about Moorish conquests and how they killed millions of poor Europeans
You won't convince anyone btw so this thread is pointless

>>17859670
>ur still whining about Moorish conquests and how they killed millions of poor Europeans
>You won't convince anyone btw so this thread is pointless

Most muslims and plenty of white left-wingers praises those though.
Even though the civilizational gap between these muslims colonizers and the spaniards they colonized was much narrower than the gap between 19th century Europeans and Subsaharan negroes.

>>17859543
>blaming your civilizational failures on foreign domination
The funny part is that it was Sarkozy who said something like this in a university speech in Senegal I think. The irony being that he was corrupt as fuck guy who openly accepted money from Gaddafi (who funneled TERRORISM) and came from a state that went from Nuclear energy innovator to barely being able to complete a project on time+on budget and who's Nuclear industry got so fucked the state had to buy it back up

>>17859550
>Slavery and human sacrifices ended
Forced labour was still super rampant in the colonial era. Men were forcibly recruited to fight in WW1 and WW2.

>trobal wars ended
they actually ramped them up because imperial powers picked a side and heavily favored them. It's why so many militaries are often filled with a certain ethnic group.
>modern medicine and technology were introduced
Never had full access to them alongside jackshit education and no real way to actually be educated into the system. Albert Ruskin Cook was the extreme exception to the rule unfortunately. In regards to technology, Anon most people in the West did not own a car until the 50s enmasse and many tech you think the middle class have wasn't actually widespread to most of Europe. So how in the FUCK would Africans have access to cars, car ownership, modern lighting, and consumer goods industrial manufacturing and more?

>making the child mortality rate drop massively.
Happened after colonialism. As was the case globally.

>None of this would apply to Europe in China colonized them right now.
Chinese would be able to build a train project in time. Projects in Europe are so delayed and overbudget the double in cost AND time

>>17859266
The grift is so braindead easy it's almost insulting. There is no risk to doing it on twitter because if you get exposed, just make another account and start anew

>>17859701
Oh and several colonies openly knew they had slave conditions in Asia and Africa in their mines and plantations but did nothing because
>"line must go up".

>>17841829 (OP)
Africans were treated as second-class citizens

>>17841983
>the arts and culture scene is wonderful

>>17859182
There are some positives, it cannot be just doom and gloom but the general of what I've said still holds.
I don't want to say it's IQ and all that but who knows? Maybe it's shittier cultures, lazier people, socio-economic issues.

>>17841983
It's the same with California, or pretty much anywhere retards online declare is a "war zone" and their proof is cherrypicked images of random streets that nobody goes down anyways
Proof by Example and Overgeneralization are both logical fallacies, the mentally broken mind struggles to understand this for some reason.

>>17859321
The is no such thing as non-White native Europeans. All of Europe is white. The only ones that aren't are recent migrants from the third world and gypsies, and those immigrated in the 15th century so they aren't native.

>>17859890
Only the brownest quasi-nigger in Europe, like a Sicilian or Albanian or something, would make a post like this.

>>17859221
Yeah

>>17860012
>only brown people are white supremacists
liar or retarded?

>>17859873
>Its not so bad. There's only a few streets in my home town where we can't go because we might get killed. Its really not that bad guys! I live in a first world country btw.

>>17859106
Literally every African cities look far more impressive than the 10 quaint city blocks that existed during colonisation. You are just a retard

>>17860135
ah the classic third world obsession with tall cheap buildings, yeah so impressive, it looks aesthetic, right?

>>17860135
Ethiopia was never a colony though, unless you count Italys brief occupation

>>17860138
Objectively a more impressive project, keep coping about your magnificent 3 story buildings though.

>>17860085
According to your standards, literally no country on Earth would be first world, since the only alternative would be police states like Singapore

>>17860189
Wrong. Americans have no idea how much of a dangerous shit hole their own country is. No other country in the west are you encouraged to go through red lights because you have a very high chance of getting robbed.

>>17860222
>No other country in the west are you encouraged to go through red lights because you have a very high chance of getting robbed.
...What you're describing isn't a thing in America anon.

>>17860082
>implying that's not the case

>>17860222
>No other country in the west are you encouraged to go through red lights because you have a very high chance of getting robbed.
You're in luck my retarded brown friend, because you're not encouraged to do this in America either, you have a shockingly warped view of reality if you think this is what America is like
>b-but I saw on this one tiktok about this one tabloid about this one blog about
see
>>17859873
>Proof by Example and Overgeneralization are both logical fallacies, the mentally broken mind struggles to understand this for some reason.

>>17856360
East asians are just copying whites homework while having their heads planted a decade or two in the past

>>17860138
>he suddenly doesn't like modernization

>>17841829 (OP)
Some people just can't accept how much better Africa was when it was under european management.

>>17841829 (OP)
"better off" doesnt matter, being ruled by another is humiliation, no self respecting people will accept being dominated

>>17860457
Again how it looked back then is not an argument, the entire third world looked good as everyone used the same techniques, architects and technology with very easy maintenance.

>>17860547
>Sub-Saharan Africans
>self respecting people