I just learned that king David wasn't Jewish.
The catechists lied to me.

>>17842047 (OP)
He never existed.

>>17842047 (OP)
>>17842052
More nonsense from "Sophia" and her disciples from reddit I'm sure.

>>17842078
>Sophia
Who?

>>17842143
It's his imaginary frenemy. In his headcanon they sleep together.

>>17842151
do i know you?
>>17842143
there's another thread active this very second where a guy is claiming this sort of thing (that david wasn't a jew) because he claims to worship a goddess called Sophia.

>>17842047 (OP)
The Babble says he was from the tribe of Judah. The first book of Chronicles gives his genealogy going back to Adam.

>>17842207
Judeans were not Jewish thoughever

>>17842207
>>17842914
The Tribe of "Judah" marked the merger between the Cohenites and the Levites, where they assumed the authority of Moses and Aarons egyptian-israelitic priesthood by melting down their priestly gold and killing their leaders before arriving in Canaan. This is why the tribe of Dan protested and got "banished" by the Judahites, because the Greco-Luwi-Cimmeri tribe of the Adana region was considered the waterborn sister-tribe of the land-based Luwii-Levitic priesthood. And such, they knew damn well that all traces of honest Luwian priestdom had been erased by the Cohenitic overthrow and absorbtion of Levi. David was simply a more Luwii-coded descendant within Judah that still maintained an anti-cohenitic undertone. David was a literal self-hating jew that wanted to piss off the more semite-coded Saul by cucking him and impregnating his daughter. This is how the "messiah" lineage was born, and why cohenitic jews hate every aspect of the term and tries to subvery its meaning because it is in its root a Pro-levitic and anti-cohenitic lineage.

>>17842914
>>17842933
Judah was one of the sons of Jacob in Genesis, where does this fanfiction come from

>>17842047 (OP)
Biblically, Jews didn't exist until the divided kingdom. From Solomon's time and earlier, you had Israelites. They were a specific people group within the much larger Hebrew ethnicity, and you find Israelites identifying as Hebrews to outsiders.

Also, the people claiming to be Jews today have nothing to do with any of the Biblical Israelites or Jews at all. They are instead a gnostic group that started around the 3rd century AD in Babylon with the earliest parts of the Babylonian Talmud, which is what they really follow. This last part can be a bit confusing, but it's entirely their fault since they are LARPers.

>>17842947
"Iudaim" as a term comes from the city in which Joseph and Asenath married, which was the old name for Heliopolis then known as IUNU.
All the sons of Jacob was considered "IUDAIM" after the hebrews of Iunu adopted Jacob and his sons as fellow followers of the god of OANNES/OSIRIS. Jacob took on the new byname "Israel" to commemorate how Osiris' toil with God and near death mirrored the clutch survival of Jacob himself and his sons. "Judah" as a singular son of Iunu as opposed to the plural "Iudaim" came about to describe the desert-family of Moses whom belonged to the "Ishmaelite" branch of the Babi-worshippers. Babi was the bastard son of Osiris, and was imprinted onto the mesopotamian Abram ancestor of Jacob during the syncretic merger of the Levitic and Babi-Cohenitic priesthoods onto the singular new tribe of Judah-Levi. "Levi" is the singular male name use for the otherwise ethnonymic term "Luwii" exactly how "Judah" is the singular male name usage for the otherwise ethno-cultural term for the "People of Iunu".

>>17842950
It is going to be a bit embarrassing if you get caught calling out larpers on the wrong points, instead of learning and preaching the true length and nuance of the larp.
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>>17842933
>>17842974

>>17842974
>>17843045
I use the term "Cohenitic" to signify the particular branch/cohort within Judah that returned from the Babylonian Exile, and how it's regional nativity connected them back to the Babi-worshippers as opposed to for example the Cimmerians whom Omri of Israel/Jacobs lineage was part/named of.
The "mitre" hat of Zadoc was a thing that the Babylonians had in common with the Oannes-worshipping Babi priests of would-become Cohen, a suspect reason for why they would have thrived in captivity, and wished to return to the outskirts of Egypt where their tribe had roamed and came into being. AS OPPOSED to the rest of Israel whom went elsewhere and dispersed to leave behind the old unity that Judah would "reclaim" in its larp as the new Judea and now even newer "Israel".
It's as if a single Dane should return to britain and assume the identity of the picts, welsh, scots, gael, Danann, Manx and all known tribal names just because they at one point were the major part of it during the Danelaw.

>>17842047 (OP)
King David was a Turk, my friend.

>>17843083
Dawit was clearly a hebrew-ethiope mutt with blonde hair, hated by the entirely swarthy Saul for being more of an Israelite than himself.

>>17843090
Just like modern day zoomer swedes

>>17842047 (OP)
What religion was he, then?

>>17843275
He was a Yahwist hebrew-israelite that just so happened to be of the tribe of Judah,- which was the single more egypt-natufian oriented tribe as opposed to the more modern greco-anatolian/upper mesopotamian israelites.
The conflict between David and Saul was over which direction they wanted to take Judah as a prospective ruler over the other regional tribes. Saul was a dynastic supremacist and David was a populist. The northern tribes were naturally more populist/republican because they stemmed from pastoralists whereas Levi, Zadok & Judah(Babi) stemmed from establishment institutional priestdoms and priest-kings.

>>17843298
How did they become Jewish?

>>17843308
Don't they just have to be pro-slavery, isn't that the thing that set Judah apart from the rest, they wanted to kill their brother, but he convinced them to sell him into slavery instead?

>>17843343
common misconception.
The Cohenites/Zadocites were part of the Hebrews, but not israelite YET.
Joseph whom was of Luwi-cimmerian ethnicity was sold into Hittite-Hyksos conscription against Egypt, which is why the Luwian-curious priesthood of Potifer in Iunu/Heliopolis recruited him as a prospect. Joseph was after proving his prowess acknowledged as a spiritual descendant of "Enoch" aka the Luwian Woad-priest Thoth by Potifer,- allowing him to marry his daughter Asenath and save a sliver of "Face" for Potifers region in the eyes of Egyptians by allying with a purported Thoth-in-the-flesh after the otherwise catastrophically embarrassing defeat at the hands of the Hyksos.
Unfortunately for the newly formed Israel aka the "Iudaim" of Iunu,- the New Dynasty upheld the typical line of Egyptian denial-of-defeat by portraying Potifers region as having been collaborators with the Hyksos and treacherous towards Egypt instead of admitting that Egypt had been successfully defeated by an outside force. (unthinkable for the grainfed egyptian mind).
It is then at a point just after the expulsion of the Hyksos that the Greco-Danite coastal trader tribes as well as the new Potifer-Luwian priesthood of Moses and Aaron that they fled into the lands where the Babi-priesthood also lingered,- being the furthest place where the priesthood of Iunu knew they had plausible allies towards their eastern borderland around the Aqaba gulf.
This is where the Levitic/Potifer gold got melted down as described in previous post.
The truth is likely that Joseph was dragged from his family by Hyksos conscriptors due to being an able bodied young male without family. The shaming of the other brothers was likely a later Judah-Levi story tactic used to further emphasize their claimed right to rule over the family of Jacob and thus all the northeastern boderlands of Potifers area of defense, which Joseph had married into and thus was the inheritor of according to Judah-Levi.

>>17843308
Judah became "jewish" during/after returning from Babylon when there was absolutely no substantive trace of their Luwi-cimmerian heritage left, and only the increasingly Cohenitic part of Judah had survived, only being "Levitic" in name and title.

>>17842047 (OP)
>the King of Judea wasn't Jewish
>he wasn't the "foreign inheritance" kind of king but the "local warlord who carved out his own country" kind of king
wait how does that even work?

>>17843308
>>17843343
>>17843464
>>17843470
it is important to keep in mind that all we have of scriptural biblical text stems from the oral tradition that survived the Babylonian exile, and was kept mostly orally as a dispersed canon among Judeo-Israelites up until the Ptolemaics forced them to write trir originstory down.
All the northern tribes of Israel was literal folklore by the time it was written down and thus the story is a heavily Judah-biased retelling of what the region and people of Israel really looked like.

>>17843497
What are your sources for all this?


>Serious scholars of Ancient Near Eastern history, biblical studies, and Egyptology would dismiss the vast majority of these claims as non-academic pseudohistory. It uses obscure names, plausible-sounding terms, and real ethnic groups to build a highly speculative, narratively motivated alternate history — not unlike what you'd see in some corners of /his/ or Reddit mythological theory threads.


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TL;DR:

Some kernels of truth (Hyksos, Levites, Egypt denial of defeat)

Surrounded by a thick fog of unsubstantiated conjecture

Most claims are fanfiction-level revisionism, often wrapped in buzzwords

>>17843617
>>(((Serious scholars))) of Ancient Near Eastern history, biblical "studies", and Egyptology would (of course) dismiss the vast majority of these claims as "non-academic" pseudohistory™®©.
The Judaic Canon is indistinguishable in validity as source material from the likes of The Book of Mormon. They are both tribal lores and origin mythos that strives to establish themselves as older and more authoritative than they really have grounds for. The "serious" people you refer to are the same people that would deny evidence if it went against their tribal and religious canon.

>>17843645
Seems like there is no particular reason to believe your narrative over another

>>17843650
If you really gave a shit you would examine the ethnonyms and origins of names without wrapping any single doctrinal canon over your head while crying evidence.

>>17843308
Edomites

>>17844134
Elaborate on that

>>17842914
How come.

>>17845907
I also wanna know, so the rich niggas basically waited for the poors to die off then jumped into their skin and stole their names?