Did the holocaust exist?

>>17844044 (OP)
Yeah

>>17844048
Fuck you

>>17844058
Good thread, please remember to kill yourself at the first opportunity.

Let’s break down how utterly impossible such a conspiracy would be, just from a practical standpoint:


How Many People Would Have to Be Involved?

To fake the Holocaust, a conspiracy would have to fabricate or falsify:

1. Eyewitness Testimonies

Over 100,000 survivor accounts across Europe.

Includes Jews, Roma, political prisoners, homosexuals, disabled people, and even former Nazis at the Nuremberg trials.


2. Nazi Documents

Tens of thousands of original Nazi records, including:

Orders signed by Himmler, Eichmann, and others.

Train schedules, construction orders for gas chambers, Zyklon B purchase records.

Camp logs, census data, death registers.


These are stored in multiple independent archives, from Germany to the U.S. to Israel.


3. Photographs & Film

Liberation footage shot by U.S., British, and Soviet troops — much of it shown at the time.

Aerial photographs of Auschwitz taken by Allied spy planes during the war.

German soldier photo albums, many of which were privately kept and discovered after the fact.


4. Physical Sites

Mass graves, gas chamber ruins, crematoria, and camps still preserved.

Forensic studies (e.g. Leuchter Report debunked by multiple scientific reviews).


5. Allied Governments

U.S., UK, Soviet Union, France all documented and confirmed Holocaust atrocities.

Are we to believe opposing Cold War nations conspired together to fake this?


6. Academic and Journalistic Community

Independent historians across decades and countries — Jewish and non-Jewish alike.

Even Holocaust deniers have been legally challenged and publicly humiliated (see: David Irving v. Deborah Lipstadt).
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Estimated Number of People Who’d Need to “Be in On It”:

Well over 1,000,000 people, including:

Survivors, liberators, war crimes investigators

Allied soldiers

Clergy who reported atrocities

Local populations across Poland, Ukraine, Germany, France, etc.

Archivists, journalists, historians across decades

Nazi defectors

Regular reminder that ballpoint pens were not available until the 1950s, but the Diary of a Young Girl was published in 1947, so cannot have been written in ballpoint pen.

>>17844044 (OP)
The what?

>>17844079
This claim — that The Diary of Anne Frank is a forgery because it contains ballpoint pen ink — is a widely debunked Holocaust denial talking point. Here's the facts

This Is False — and Misleading. Here’s Why:

1. The Vast Majority of the Diary Was Written in Fountain Pen Ink

Anne Frank wrote the diary between 1942–1944, while hiding in the Secret Annex.

The original manuscripts were examined by forensic analysts from the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation (NIOD).

They concluded that virtually all of it was written in fountain pen ink, common and available at the time.

2. Ballpoint Pen Ink Appears Only in Marginal Notes — Added After the War

The “ballpoint ink” found in the diary was in a few minor annotations and page numbers.

These were written by someone else — likely an editor or archivist — after Anne’s death.

The NIOD’s 1986 full report explained this clearly and openly. The presence of ballpoint pen was never hidden or covered up.

3. This Was Investigated Extensively — and the Diary Was Proven Authentic

In the 1980s, Holocaust deniers like Robert Faurisson pushed the “ballpoint pen” lie.

In response, the Dutch government commissioned an exhaustive forensic study.

The 1986 report ran over 700 pages and concluded the diary was:

> “Authentic in every respect. Written by Anne Frank herself during the war.”

Even forensic handwriting experts confirmed it was Anne’s own script.

It is a zombie argument: long debunked, but repeated by people who haven’t read the actual reports.

Sources:

NIOD, The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition (1986)

Deborah Lipstadt, Denying the Holocaust

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum – archives and fact sheets

NIOD Institute for War, Holocaust and Genocide Studies (Netherlands)

>>17844073
>1. Eyewitness Testimonies
ridiculous lies to receive gibs from germany and legitimize land theft
>2. Nazi Documents
unauthentic documents
>3. Photographs & Film
post-war propaganda movies
>4. Physical Sites
no remains have been found at any of the death camps
>5. Allied Governments
yeah the winning side would never lie
>6. Academic and Journalistic Community
irrelevant

ChatGPT btfo

>>17844086
Unknown call from pooland or scambodia

>>17844099
>ridiculous lies to receive gibs from germany and legitimize land theft
So all +100,000 people are lying? Says who?

>>17844048
Fuck you

>>17844073
>>17844087
Ignore this ChatGPT user.

>>17844058
>>17844373
>>17844377
What compelling arguments lmao

>>17844458
Yeah? At least I don't use ChatGPT to make arguments for me.

>>17844464
Why can't you refute the points made?

>>17844099
Dumb fuck

>>17844044 (OP)
Why would anyone denie one of humanity's greatest achiviments

>>17844099
>people who have studied the topic for decades
>chudslop
does /pol/ really

>>17844073
What do you think holocaust is anon? Concentration camps existing?

The Holocaust was fake, this means Hitler, after writing all about how much he hated Jews in Mein Kampf, simply built Jews luxury swimming pools instead while millions of white Germans died in a bloody war for no reason.

Pic related was first published in 1944 and describes a courier of the Polish underground, but also contains one of the first references to the holocaust. At some point the author is taken to a transit station where they stuff railroad cars with Jews and then let them slowly rot to death in some field. Is this specific method ever described somewhere else?

>>17844044 (OP)
Probably not.
It has war propaganda written all over it. Same shit like Kaiser's corpse factories in WWI or "they took babies out of incubators" testimony to justify Gulf War 1. Difference between these and a holocaust is that holocaust never got refuted after the war so it stuck around as official history.

>>17846120
That's right anon, Hitler loved Jews actually

Were jews persecuted, evicted, shipped out and forced into labour camps, worked til death and regularly executed in the field? Yes.

Did 6 million die this way? No.

>>17846121
Do you believe Dr. Mengele injected chemicals into the eyes of jews to turn their iris blue?

>>17846164
How many did die that way?

>>17846273
Of course not, I just believe Hitler built Jews luxury swimming pools while sending his own men to die in a war for no reason

>>17846115
No, if something like this happened it was most likely an accident. Yes, Jews died in overcrowded cars, but it wasn't a deliberate method of killing them.

>>17845233
This. The only reason to deny the holocaust is if you think jews are superior and thus can't be butchered

>>17846284
Yup, Hitler just wrote about how much he hated Jews in Mein Kampf but he didn't want any of them dead! I am very smart!

Hitler actually loving Jews is the logical conclusion to Holocaust denialism, it's the most retarded hill for NeoNazis to die on, and that's saying a lot

>>17846293
It's the only thing that makes sense when you look at the luxurious vacation resorts Jews were housed in, under the protection of Hitlers personal bodyguards no less, and the conditions Aryans were forced to endure as they died squealing.

>Jews get a spa day at the country club
>Aryans get slowly shoved into a wood chipper but just as their legs are reduced to tatters they're dragged out of the machine to be shown a video of their families being burned alive, then they're slowly shoved back into the chipper
>Meanwhile the Jews have moved onto champagne and caviar at the on site brothel

This is what stormtrannies pretend happened.

the Jew anon is melting down hard ITT

>>17846413
Why would Jews be melting down at being housed in absolute luxury with swimming pools, pleasure gardens, restaurants and brothels all at the expense of the Reich, while Aryan goyim die screeching for their mothers while their friends try to shove their entrails back inside their ruined frame, before a Soviet flamethrower smashes through the window and incinerates them all. That's what happened, is it not?

>>17846288
Hitler also wrote he hated Poles what's your point

>>17846275
Ryan Faulk did the numbers on this. The most reasonable estimate is 1.1 million. This is how many would die simply by existing in countries where WWII was taking place.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IdNZ72sVRR4H98zpFnYcgBfC1-qbkV5C/view


The 271K figure or whatever that /pol/ cites is absurdly low as it would mean that jews were less likely to die during WWII than their countrymen

>>17846923
Killing a million civilians in cold blood is still a horrendous monstrous act you know?

>>17844044 (OP)
It seems a bit far fetched to me

ok

>mods delete the shit image but not the shit thread

>>17846946
Not in cold blood. Simply as a result of living in a war zone.

>>17848773
So nobody was persecuted in Nazi Germany?