Thread 17848929

alright pagans, i am in a crisis of faith right now
on the one side i hate kikes more than martin luther, on the other side i follow a religion made by jewish people,

this i cannot reconcile

so please, try and tell me what i should do, thanks

1) Abandon this bullshit.

2) Find a pagan faith to follow, preferably one with strong morals and virtues like Shintoism or Greco-Roman paganism.

3) Follow it.

Good luck.

>>17848932

Step 1 will be the hardest, especially if you were indoctrinated into the faith by birth. Start by reading the Bible and examining all of the grotesque, evil shit it contains.

you mean i should apostatize? any other options?
i still love jesus, but i dont like he is jewishness
i wish it was like in mahayana buddism where there is more than one buddah, i wish there were another jesus that is jesus in all except he is roman instead of hebrew

Just ditch Christianity entirely. Think of it as an incredibly slow acting poison.

What do you want yourself to be and what do you want to see in others?

>>17848946

>ditch Christianity

By this, I mean -- ditch Christ, ditch the cult formed around him. He was capricious and sociopathic, not personally someone you want to follow.

>>17848929 (OP)
I just went full atheist/agnostic/whatever.
the best parts of Christianity, like platonism and stocism, are more philosophical than theological, anyway.

>>17848946
i want a family, not united by blood but by creed

>>17848929 (OP)
Become a pagan.
Christianity is a mind-prison to keep you trapped in our plane of existence. You must come to realize there are many planes of existence governed by many gods. Our particular world isn't very interesting and there isn't much here other than godless materialism and hopelessness. Christianity and other cults exist to soothe the pain of the masses.
Put your faith in the god you find most compelling and don't worry about whether or not it's 'true.' Anything can be true if your imagination is strong enough. And besides, the whole point of religion is that it lies outside of reason.
Some popular gods to worship: Zeus, Hermes, Athena, Ishtar, or Chang'e

It's unfortunate that we can't just make new religions that are better than the old religions, at least not very easily. The miracles required to make a religion persuasive are elusive these days, and with all the technology almost anything that in ye olde tymes might be declared a miracle is much more suspect.

>>17848983
I think it can be done, what we need is to start a grassroots movement first and then have the government co-opt it. Having a grassroots movement will give it legitimacy with the common man and having the government co-opt it will allow it to spread beyond a small niche group. This is literally how Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism became mainstream. Other attempts at starting a modern religion for example, like the Cult of the Supreme Being, had government backing, but it didn't have that grassroots legitimacy. It needs both basically.

>>17848929 (OP)
I am a Hellenic pagan, I perform rituals, hymns and offerings to the gods. What exactly do you want to know? I have spoken "personally" with Apollo and probably received a signal from Helios once.

>>17848929 (OP)
>this i cannot reconcile
Just conclude that not all Jews are evil?

Paganism is cringe because it's too ethnic
What I mean by this is that the easiest path to Paganism would just be Hinduism, since Hinduism has over a billion adherents and is a continuation of Indo-European religion, but then I'd have to worship statues of Vishnu or fucking whatever and that sounds pretty cringe as a white guy. I guess if I follow my direct male line back to what is modern-day Southern England and Northern France the closest pagan gods would be Odin or whatever but even this feels dishonest

>>17848983
>The miracles required to make a religion persuasive are elusive these days

There are new religions every year

>>17849056
I think he means a new religion that actually gains traction and isn't relegated to some cringe new age cult full of white women from facebook who think crystals have healing powers

>>17849044
Is such a thing possible to fathom....

>>17849026
are you sure they arent archons just fucking with you?

>>17848929 (OP)
You've already shown yourself to be an insincere loser because you're trying to follow a religion based on whether you think it's "cringe" or "based" rather than actually believing in it. Either a religion and its God/Gods are real or it isn't. If a religion is the real true faith then it doesn't fucking matter whether you think it "Onions" or not.

You will never be satisfied with any of the religions you flit between (be they various christian sects or Pagan "revival" groups) because without actual belief you will never have any reason to stick around. You join the religion you think is true. If all of them seem fake then maybe you should just admit you're an atheist/agnostic.

>>17849076
Isn't it? Aren't you still a Christian? Isn't Jesus Jewish? You think he too is evil?

>>17849079
Jesus certainly isnt evil,, but he is jewish he should be evil by defoult but isnt,,,,,
my hear hurts

>>17849078
ok yeah i am a sheep, i follow crowds which i onsider based

>>17848929 (OP)
if all of your decisions are being motivated by hatred of arbitrary groups of people rather than love of virtue or the High Gods, then there’s nothing any pagan can do for you. Figure that shit out yourself, nigga.

>>17849298

Absobasedly.

>>17848929 (OP)
be Orthodox and get healing from your problem not validation for it

>>17848929 (OP)
Jews are traitors in rebellion against God and they think that by murdering the heirs of the heavenly kingdom they can eventually force God to let them sit on the throne of heaven.

Supporting jews in any way is anti-christ, jews who oppose God by not hailing the Son as Lord.

>>17848983
ive been trying to start a new religion but i dont know how to seriously advertise on /his/ because i can't stand the board so i just post bait about a "nietzschean religion" or whatever most of the time (sorry)

>religious elements
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17457468/#17457468
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17708973/
>mystical elements
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24548154#p24553888
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39974941/#39974941
>occult elements
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40297343/#40297343

though recently ive been thinking about what would be the religious form most appropriate to start on imageboards and it is probably not the autistic shit i am currently doing. the /inana/fags on /x/ are probably reaching closer at what needs to be done, even though they struggle to raise their religious movement above cooming to anime girls (and a few largely solitary serious practitioners)

>>17848932
>>17848929 (OP)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Anyone who says they are a pagan is either a) clinically retarded, b) a gay larper.

None of you actually believe in the pagan gods, you just see them as a symbol - fake and gay. And if you do actually see them as real, you are retarded. Anyone believing in paganism needs to answer what the fuck they have been doing all this time. They lost all of their worshippers, making them either powerless, or fake. Was Thor just shoving his hammer up his bell-end for centuries on end, not able to maintain even one worshipper?

I can respect the actual legit pagans back in the day because they truly believed. Anyone who truly believes now is retarded as there are so many obvious problems with the idea of European pagan gods being real and it is a complete meme religion which is dead and just a bunch of either racists (I am racist so not saying that is bad) thinking that people are going to believe in some meme religion that they even don't or special snowflakes playing make your own religion like it is DnD or something.

Europe has been its most powerful under Christianity and the fact that the modern churches are gay and subverted is just to do with everything being gay and subverted now. European racism was its highest under Christianity, European martial prowess was its highest, innovations, culture, art, music etc..... Becoming "pagan" is just another head in sand cope over how fucked everything is now in comparison.

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>>17849304
Weren't you a Christian?

>>17849896

I get off work in an hour, so I'll slip in some tidbits of 4chinning before then.

Weren't I? I never was. I'm a former gnostic atheist and Shinto convert, I just like LARPing as Christian to farm brownie points from gullible Jesus freaks.

That's all.

Paganism is dead and impossible to be revived. It will not work because we are in the end times. Not according to just Christianity. Paganism afaik says in the end times sexual promiscuity will reign. This is exactly what we are witnessing. Undeniable proof if you're a pagan that reviiviiinnng that's goooodddsss is pointless because a) you don't have the environment to produce the esoteric occult realities the ancient pagan forefathers had and b) the world is about to end. Better luck.. next time cycle I guess.

>>17849840
>Anyone who says they are a pagan is either a) clinically retarded, b) a gay larper.
Stopped reading right here. You're lying like christcucks do.
>>17848929 (OP)
You should just study history, religion and esotericism. And of course practice meditation to transcend physical reality.

>>17848932
simon why are you shilling shinto greek paganism in one thread while shilling christianity in another?

>>17849372
im making my own religion myself, i call it mahayana christianity
maybe we should collaborate you and I

>>17848929 (OP)
>so please, try and tell me what i should do, thanks
If you're trying to decide between Popery and Paganism, just flip a coin. They both go to the same Hell. Enjoy.

>>17850449
based, ive already been incorporating elements from christianity and buddhism into my practice even. if you wanna contact my handle is "sitra.achra". how are u combining mahayana and christianity?

>>17850613
first i thought of god as trancending all,
kabalistically if he transcends everything that means he transcends being and non-being or also mathematical duality, which what a buddha is

but then,, if god transcends himself that means that god and anti.god are both in god, because he contains within himself that which he transcends
and since creation is contained within man and man was made in the image of God we see that within the self there is actually an anti-self, this is anatta in buddhism

what do you think eh:

btw your handle is from discord or???

>>17850666
check em also yea. actually ur idea reminds me of soseinology which is this philosophy espoused by some /lit/ tripfag
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/20452657#p20468621
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=soseinology

>>17850499
THERE'LL ALWAYS BE AN ULSTER, AN ULSTER THAT IS FREEEEEEE

>>17848929 (OP)
God isn't real. Gods are not real. All the stories in the bible are made up fairy tales, as well as pagan myths. Stop believing in retarded fairy tales.

>>17848929 (OP)
You should look up what Marcionism and why it is considered a heresy. Maybe understand that the trinity is in the old testament and how the theophanies are all Jesus showing up, as Jesus says in John 15 when he says he met with Abraham and Moses.

Marcion's canon was only the Gospel of Luke and Paul's Letters and basically said jews were evil and yahweh was the demiurge and we don't need the Old Testament.

>>17850831
>God isn't real!
>*Posts drawn pornography of a child*
Enjoy hell.

>>17850449
thats been done already

>>17850831
theres a special hell in buddhism for pederasts where demons pour molten lead down your anus for all eternity. so really, for your sake, you better hope God(s) isnt real

>>17848929 (OP)
The five most antisemitic books of all time are Mein Kampf and the Gospels