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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:42:20 PM No.17849612
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McCarthy was right
About literally everything
He will go down as a black listed truth teller and the commies will be proven as evil
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:44:21 PM No.17849615
Where McCarthy Was Not Right:

1. His Numbers Were Inflated or Fabricated
McCarthy often claimed he had lists of dozens or hundreds of communists in the government, but he never produced credible evidence. His numbers changed constantly and were often exaggerated for dramatic effect.


2. He Ruined Innocent Lives
His accusations led to blacklisting, loss of jobs, and destroyed reputations—often without real evidence. He accused people of treason with no due process, violating fundamental American values.


3. He Was Condemned by His Own Peers
The U.S. Senate voted to censure McCarthy in 1954 (67–22), a rare and serious rebuke. Many saw his tactics as reckless, demagogic, and harmful to legitimate anti-communist efforts.


4. He Damaged Legitimate Anti-Communism
His crusade made it harder for serious intelligence professionals to address real threats, because he turned anti-communism into a political circus.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:52:22 PM No.17849628
>>17849615
>using chat GPT
https://youtu.be/BgUVL5v1aAc?si=Ib7qD9E5sV0PEFDh
Retard, all the evidence is in this video
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:52:48 PM No.17849629
>>17849615
He was right in that it was the government that was being subverted and not the people. Little did he know this was willingly as the anti-english engines whirred to life with the ghosts of "robber barons" directing the US into conflict with the Soviets.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:55:43 PM No.17849634
>>17849612 (OP)
Did McCarthy cause the death of any Son of God?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:57:55 PM No.17849635
>>17849628

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Video Summary

This video, “Joe McCarthy: Martyred by Marxism,” is a recent production framing Senator Joe McCarthy as a heroic figure who fought Marxism in the U.S. It’s structured in three parts:

1. **“In Bed With the Reds”** – McCarthy’s early claims about communist infiltration.


2. **“The Man With ‘No Names’”** – His approach of accusing unnamed individuals and insinuating guilt.


3. **“McCarthy Takes on…”** – Suggests a moral crusade he was born to lead, positioning him as a martyr silenced by entrenched communists.
Now let’s unpack how persuasive—and accurate—it really is.


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What the Video Does Well

Clear, narrative-driven framing: It’s tightly edited, with a dramatic arc showing McCarthy as a lone crusader—a powerful—but simplified—storytelling device.

Emotive rhetoric: Uses impactful music, phrases like “martyred by Marxism,” and moralizing voiceover to evoke emotional resonance.
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Subtle & Overt Biases

Hero narrative without nuance: The video presents McCarthy’s crusade as unequivocally righteous. It overlooks that McCarthy often relied on innuendo, fearmongering, and private accusations that lacked evidence.

Selective omission: It omits key historical facts like:

The 1954 Senate censure that criticized his practices of intimidation and defamation.

The harm done to countless innocent people under his broad accusations.


Loaded language: Terms like “Marxist infiltrator” and “commie agent” are framed as uncontested truths, rather than contested historical assertion
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:58:57 PM No.17849638
>>17849635
Historical Accuracy & Logical Gaps

Communist infiltration was real—but limited: Declassified Venona documents showed genuine Soviet espionage (like Alger Hiss, Julius Rosenberg), but McCarthy’s sweeping allegations (hundreds of communists in government) were never validated .

McCarthy weaponized unanswered allegations: His unwillingness to name names explicitly meant many accused couldn’t defend themselves—and often lost their jobs anyway.

No due process or substantiated proof: The video ignores McCarthy’s refusal to follow institutional norms, due process, or any system of verification—a core reason for his downfall.
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Critical Reflections

Question the framing: Is McCarthy depicted as a principled truth-teller—or a fear-driven demagogue? The tone suggests the former, but misses the darker reality.

Consider the costs: While communist influence was indeed a threat, McCarthy’s reckless tactics caused real damage. It’s like using a flamethrower for a bug problem—disproportionate, destructive, and morally checkered.

Modern parallels? The video hints at censorship by elites and Marxist conspiracies today. That’s a common rhetorical echo that appeals to current culture wars—but it lacks specificity.
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Final Verdict

The video is compelling storytelling, with polished editing and strong emotional appeal—but it’s one-sided and historically incomplete. It promotes a simplified myth of McCarthy as a martyr, omitting his abuses of power, censure, and personal recklessness.

As a critique: appreciate the narrative craft—but approach the historical claims with skepticism. For a fuller picture:

Read mainstream historical sources (e.g., Alan Brinkley’s American History: A Survey or Robert Griffith’s The Politics of Fear).

Look up transcripts from McCarthy’s Senate hearings.

Review the Venona decrypts to see exactly who was implicated—and how McCarthy’s claims diverged from verifiable
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:03:51 PM No.17849645
>>17849635
>>17849638
If I remember correctly there really was a list of like 200 people in the state department, but it didn't explicitly say they were communists. What it had to do with was was that some were homosexuals. If you actually go read the trial transcripts you can find him interviewing homosexuals that work for the government, sometimes contractors, which harbor favorable views of the Soviet Union. Pretty much every one.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:05:07 PM No.17849649
>>17849638
McCarthy never claimed hundreds of communists, Millard Tydings claimed that McCarthy has 200 communist names
Chat GPT is lying to you
McCarthy was proven right about literally everything in 2009 when the FBI files were redacted and made public
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:05:44 PM No.17849651
>>17849612 (OP)
>I have a list of names of Communist Party members
>May we see the list?
>....REEEEEE SHUT UP COMMIE ASKING TO SEE THE LIST MEANS YOU'RE A COMMIE!!!!!
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:06:08 PM No.17849652
>>17849645
There was no list, Millard Tydings lied
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:07:09 PM No.17849655
>>17849652
there really was a source to his claims is what I'm saying, he might have overstated the importance of said numbers as a politician is wont to do
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:08:01 PM No.17849657
>>17849651
Except McCarthy requested a private hearing as to expose those names, instead the state department forced it to be public, which forced him to NOT be able to name people which would have increased likelihood of those people claiming defamation. Even though they were communists, McCarthy was right is every single way about them, and the state department knew
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:12:29 PM No.17849661
>>17849652
Oh holy shit you're right, the speech they claim as a source says 57. Wow, bunch of greasy bastards
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:18:46 PM No.17849677
His paranoia was justified given the time period he was in. The Soviets were at the height of their power and expanding their ideological reach throughout the world with some success.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:18:56 PM No.17849678
>>17849649
Here’s what the historical evidence shows:


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What McCarthy Said

Senator Joseph McCarthy famously declared during a Wheeling, WestVirginia speech on February9,1950:

> "I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names … members of the Communist Party … who … are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."
So McCarthy himself claimed 205 names—not “hundreds” generically.


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What the Tydings Committee Found

Senator Millard Tydings chaired the special Senate committee that investigated these allegations. Its report concluded:

McCarthy only named nine individuals during testimony.

The committee deemed the entire “list” a fraud and a hoax.


There’s no record that Tydings ever said McCarthy had “200 communist names.” Instead, McCarthy himself used that figure; Tydings dismissed the entire claim as false.


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Summary Table

Claim Who Said It? Accuracy

McCarthy had a list of 205 communists Joseph McCarthy, Wheeling speech (Feb 1950) He claimed this
McCarthy had a list of 200 communists – No direct evidence—he specifically said “205”
Tydings said McCarthy had “200 names” False No source supports this
Tydings called McCarthy’s accusations a fraud and a hoax Tydings Committee, 1950 Confirmed by report
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Verdict

True: McCarthy claimed to have "205 communists" in the State Department.

False: Millard Tydings never said McCarthy had 200 names—he instead rejected the entire claim as fraudulent.


If you'd like, I can share the actual Tydings Committee report or more background on the Senate hearings.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:19:08 PM No.17849679
It wasnt commies it was jews he got it wrong
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:20:07 PM No.17849682
>>17849661
>I have a list of 57 communists in the state department (that are also probably homosexual)
>57? You said 200 earlier!
>What? No, this is the first time I am talking about this
>You said 200 earlier, now you only say 57! That makes you a liar!
>What? *pours drink*
Man 20th century democrat politics hits different
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:20:44 PM No.17849685
>>17849657
>I have a list!
>But I have to keep it a secret!
Ok sure.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:21:36 PM No.17849687
>>17849685
And didn't it turn out some of the fags were actual communist spies
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:26:57 PM No.17849697
>>17849678
Chat GPT is an AI that doesn’t use every resource possible
Stop fucking using it you retard
It uses government accepted sources

The Tydings committee was proven to be liars when it came to Joes claims
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:30:17 PM No.17849704
>>17849685
They LITERALLY were all proven to be spies, do you know what spies do? They deny it when they are exposed, by having a private hearing you can prevent a public exposition. The state department knew they had spies, John service quite literally was exposed as being a spy working for the state department
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:32:08 PM No.17849707
>>17849704
no they weren't all spies, there were like 5. The rest were just homosexual communists
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:36:04 PM No.17849716
>>17849707
Each of the people that Joe accused of being communist in the state department turned out to be spies.
The rest of the people that were investigated had all been found to have ties to communist or commie sympathizers.
The state department knew this and censured him, Truman also knew this and took this transcript from the state department and specifically put it in the White House library.
There were so many people in cahoots that they inadvertently exposed themselves
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:38:09 PM No.17849719
>>17849716
If that's true then it's possible the claims FDR was surrounded by spies was true, but it sounds like boomer hocus pocus
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:41:27 PM No.17849728
>>17849685
Would you prefer if he denied that the list ever existed like Pam Bondi?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:43:31 PM No.17849733
Don't care. Commies are based and should have won. All of your objections to it are bullshit cultural spooks that capitalism ruined for you harder that communism ever could have anyway.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:45:49 PM No.17849738
>>17849697
Conversation with Gemini
Chat GPT is an AI that doesn’t use every resource possible

Stop fucking using it you retard

It uses government accepted source
Is this true

The statement "Chat GPT is an AI that doesn’t use every resource possible... It uses government accepted source" is largely false, especially for the widely available public versions of ChatGPT.

Here's why:

Training Data: ChatGPT and other large language models (LLMs) are trained on massive datasets that include a vast array of publicly available text and code from the internet. This includes:

Books

Wikipedia

News articles

Scientific journals

Social media

Forums

Code repositories

Various websites

It's not limited to "government accepted sources" and, in fact, draws from a very broad and diverse (and sometimes unvetted) range of information.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:46:52 PM No.17849742
>>17849733
Why don’t you try living in a communist country then?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:47:29 PM No.17849745
>>17849738
Lack of Real-Time Internet Access (Historically): Older versions of ChatGPT (like GPT-3.5) were trained on data up to a certain cutoff date (e.g., 2021) and did not have real-time internet access. Therefore, they couldn't access "every resource possible" in real-time. More recent versions (like GPT-4 with Browse capabilities) can access current information from the internet, but still don't filter it based on "government accepted" status.

ChatGPT Gov: OpenAI has introduced a specialized version called "ChatGPT Gov" specifically for U.S. government agencies. This version is designed with enhanced security, privacy, and compliance features, and can be deployed in government-approved cloud environments (like Microsoft Azure Government cloud). While it allows agencies to securely process non-public sensitive data and adhere to strict cybersecurity frameworks (like FedRAMP High), this is a specific version for government use, not the general public ChatGPT. Even this version doesn't exclusively use "government accepted sources" as its sole knowledge base; rather, it provides a secure environment for government entities to use the AI with their own data, and the underlying model is still trained on a broad internet dataset.

Source Citation: A key characteristic of public ChatGPT is its inability to consistently and accurately cite its sources. This is because it generates responses based on patterns learned from its training data, rather than retrieving information from a specific database and then citing it. If it were solely relying on "government accepted sources," one might expect more clear and consistent citation of those sources.

In summary, the common versions of ChatGPT use a very broad range of internet data, not just "government accepted sources."
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:48:16 PM No.17849746
>>17849612 (OP)
He was a retard who had no substance outside of keeping the political circus show going. His alcoholism couldn't have killed him faster. Good riddance, but his obnoxious spirit of side distractions in US politics lives on stronger than ever today.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:36:49 PM No.17849822
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>>17849612 (OP)
McCarthy relied on a Jewish pedophile for “evidence”
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:02:51 PM No.17850019
>>17849746
>alcohol killed him
Retard he died of morphine use
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:10:37 PM No.17850037
>>17849612 (OP)
I came here to say this
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:13:17 PM No.17850044
>>17849719
The claims were true, FDR was in cahoots with the soviets at the time of the Berlin invasion, the US’s original goal on the western front was to penetrate the walls of Berlin and seize weapons factories, they made it to Elbe river, That was it. The Soviets were given free rein to take over.
If FDR wasn’t in bed with the Soviets he would have seen their danger and the problems they cause, listened to Patton and let the Army Central march into Russia and fight
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:14:21 PM No.17850048
>>17849822
A Jewish pedophile who was a whistleblower and certified truthful, not a single lie left his lips in his life
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:18:03 PM No.17850058
>>17850048
Plenty of cock touched his lips though, especially little boy penis
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:21:31 PM No.17850064
>>17850058
Sure… but he never lied about it
He deserved his death
But he didn’t lie about anything
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:22:31 PM No.17850069
>>17849635
Shut up bot
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:23:16 PM No.17850071
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>>17850048
>Yes I’m a pedophile and I rape and groom young boys, but at least I’m not a SOCIALIST
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:24:50 PM No.17850074
>>17850071
There is nothing worse in this world than a pedophile socialist
He simultaneously wants to fuck your kids now and in the future
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:24:53 PM No.17850075
>>17850064
Roy Cohn denied he was a pederast faggot until he died even when he had AIDS.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:27:40 PM No.17850081
>>17850075
Not once did he deny being a pedophile
He was openly a faggot in 1940
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:28:27 PM No.17850084
>>17850081
He did, continually, being a faggot was seen as bad back then. This is simply not true.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:30:22 PM No.17850088
>>17850074
>You are a pedophile, socialist
>also this pedophile that I’m legally protecting and feeding young boys is completely trustworthy
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:33:13 PM No.17850101
>>17850084
Prove it
Documentation proved that he was openly gay
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:33:43 PM No.17850103
>>17850048
>Rou Cohn never told a lie
Lmao. He was one of the most corrupt Jewish Lawyers in New York
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:14:31 PM No.17850210
>>17849612 (OP)
He is responsible for the martyr mythos about commies. If he just let them be everyone would realize how stupid and annoying they are. Now trannies think they are actual rebels.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:19:22 PM No.17850215
>>17850210
>not realizing this is just another case of commies crying about getting spanked
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:21:48 PM No.17850362
>>17850103
>corrupt Jewish lawyer
That’s literally what the commies made you believe you fucking retard
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:28:49 PM No.17850376
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>>17849612 (OP)
He was a schizo that caused a moral panic and ruined American political discourse forever. The commies were never a real threat, the USSR was ran by Ameriboos like Khrushchev who just wanted to visit Disneyland, Georgy Zhukov who was responsible for allowing Coca-Cola into the USSR, and Boris Yeltsin who pulled the plug after visiting a grocery store in fucking Texas. Communism ended up killng itself anyways. McCarthy was WRONG about EVERYTHING. May I piss on his grave
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:42:47 PM No.17850392
>>17849657
>increased likelihood of those people claiming defamation
It's not defamation if it's true
>>17849704
>They LITERALLY were all proven to be spies
Well then it's a good thing McCarthy sat on the list and took no risks in exposing it! What a patriot!
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:47:31 PM No.17850397
>>17850376
Yeah it's not like learning that fags are subversive and shouldn't be given power is useful information

that wouldn't help today
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:49:03 PM No.17850400
>>17850397
Considering the current state of American politics it's very clear that the homos that live in your head rent free aren't real threats either and you're just as schizo as McCarthy was
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:56:13 PM No.17850407
>>17850400
How's that?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:59:01 PM No.17850411
>>17850362
No retard, everyone knew he was a fixer and it’s on record he worked for mafia members and eventually got disbarred.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:01:24 PM No.17850417
>>17850362
Stop raping kids faggot
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:04:02 PM No.17850422
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Do you think they shared the young blond boys?