Are elves meant to be a metaphor for white people and ogres for black people? Is that really how Tolkien laid the foundations of high fantasy?

>>17849646 (OP)
Tolkien had orcs, not ogres
But yes

>>17849646 (OP)
No retarded amerimutt wignat faggot
First of all its orks, not ogres and they are based on turko-mongols and WW1 grunts
Elves are just the elves from the norse myths

>>17849646 (OP)
No

>>17849664
No faggot
There is no black analogy in Tolkien
Orks = turko- mongols

>>17849646 (OP)
>are elves meant to be a metaphor for white people and ogres for black people
Yes, but not only for black people.
>Tolkien
Elves and ogres dates way before Tolkien.

>>17849671
He is talking about orks
Not ogres

Tolkien grew up in south africa and wales which no doubt shaped his views of misshapen orks, ogres, goblins and dwarves

>>17849646 (OP)
Neither are a metaphor for any group of people; there are actual humans living in middle earth.

>>17849646 (OP)
>Orcs
Turks
>Dwarves
Jews
>Elves
Europeans
>Humans
Americans or Chinks depending on if you are in the 20th or 21st century

>>17849669
Actually you're right, I changed my mind

>>17849646 (OP)
Shit thread but Tolkien did say he was inspired by Jews when he was creating dwarves

>>17849646 (OP)
Orcs in Tolkien are factory slave caste, living in darkness under an eternal smog for an overbearing, perfectionist, micromanager with an inferiority complex. They're meant to be wageslaves working for smog producing factory owners. They even speak like lower class Bongs. They're cruel, petty and low IQ. They fear the sun and would rather everyone be miserable than be happy themselves. Basically, if anyone ever tells you Orcs are anything but lower class English people you can safely say they're an idiot.

To be overly reductionist, a Germanic mythological elf is a kind of vaguely non-malevolent supernatural entity. In a lot of instances they appear to be exalted humans who ascended to minor godhood status. Tolkien took the mythological entities who are ambiguously just “humans but better” and operationalized them into a race of humans but better. That’s where a lot of the gay association of elves with white supremacy and nazism that modern fantasy does comes from. They’re a race thats superior. So nazis. Only they weren’t really supposed to be racialist from the outset.

>>17849646 (OP)
>Are elves meant to be a metaphor for white people
No, whites are the Numenorian. Elves are another thing all together.

Anglos and their redneck diaspora in USA refute this with their existence.

If you want to make hypotheticals then you start with the fact that Tolkien was a linguist. That means that he knew that pre-christian anglo-saxons and nordics heavily associated with elven lore and the names of the upper castes such as warriors/champions/nobles/etc had the word "elf" in them. For anglo-saxons it would be Aelf and a name would be Aelfwine(elf friend) while for nordics it would Alfr and a name would be Alfhild(battle elf).

So according to this deduction tolkien considered elves to be white aristocracy/nobility/elite/whatever you want to call it, not all whites in general.

Of course he was a seething little christian man and so his fetish was that a perfect noblewoman would be a whore who loses her noble status/immortality to sleep with low status hobo. You can see the same kind of christian but in less subtle form in the game dragon quest where an immortal noble mermaid kills herself because a literal who peasant fisherman retard couldnt marry her.

>>17849787
more specifically dragon quest 11

>>17849646 (OP)
Funkopop brain thread

>>17849739
kek Im saving this

>>17849690
>>Dwarves
>Jews
Jews have always been goblins or imps.

>>17849646 (OP)
LOL no. Tolkien based elves on Norse myth, not race. Ogres aren’t even in his work. Go touch grass, terminally online take.

>>17849787
>low status hobo
Aragorn wasn't a hobo. A heavenly bride, elf bride, legitimizes and blesses the ruling bloodline. Thingol and Melain were an interesting pair, and Luthien was way too good for Beren.

>>17849809
Its just that tolkien is missionary priest level of subtle about his christcuck seething against whoever is not the little man like he is. Of course he is gonna make aragorn into a gigachad hobo and not some literal who.

You can see it all over his works that he shills for some low status little man all the time with sam being the most unsubtle example where he goes from toothless retard gardener wagie to gigachad who slays legendary monsters out of nowhere and resists the ring when no one else can, its the self-insert of tolkien if I ever saw any.

Other than that you can always see it in fallowhide hobbit(hobbit high status warrior nobility) women breeding with low peasant hobbit races creating a mutt race of hobbits, some majority fallowhide gigastacy remaining chaste and waiting specifically for sam to return and claim her pussy, elven women being whores for human men, elves conviently fading away after they done their job leaving a human peasant-ville to take over the land etc etc.

Read about nietzche noble morality/slave morality/priest morality and it will all make sense.

>>17849828
>low status little man
The reading of Aragorn is that he is the last rightful king of the men from "Atlantis". Why do you hate them so?

>>17849833
You are missing my point on purpose arent you? You are some pot belly welfare case chud who wants some rich gigastacy to scrub your floors and tolkien is your prophet huh?

>>17849836
You won't believe it, but I am wealthy, white, married to a white, and I have white kids. I think you fear the reforged sword and the flowering of the white tree, as any enemy of Eru Iluvatar would.

>>17849646 (OP)
Orcs are based on Germs

>>17849845
Notice how you didnt refute the pot belly allegations? You felt threatened on a genetic level by my posts.

>>17849851
I am under no obligation to refute your erroneous, baseless slander. You will or course insist upon believing whatever you want regardless of what I say.

>>17849828
It's more a commentary on ignorance and forbidden knowledge. The hobbits are perfectly ignorant creatures and thus are more "pure" and incorruptible. Sam being the best example, who I think more represents the stereotypical squire and of course frodo is a knight.

Frodo's high class isn't portrayed as a good thing, he acquires forbidden knowledge, and eventually sin itself, that he wears around his neck. It's is actually frodo's intellectualism and adventurousness that ultimately sees him succumb to the ring. And it's Sam's stalwart ignorance that shields him.

Tolkien probably kept images in his head like the Shire during the war which he knew wasn't real, and when he returned to England the countryside was destroyed. He also saw many men like Sam in the military, who seemed incapable of realizing the kind of situation they were in, but kept everybody's spirits high.

>>17849806
Bilbo knew the word "ogres". Ogre is derived from Romance Orco meaning demon, it is probably another word for Orc in the language of the hobbits or perhaps the humans along the Brandywine river with whom they traded and shared a prince.

>>17849861
If anything Frodo is Tolkien's self insert, he's even good with languages.

>>17849858
>I am under no obligation to refute your erroneous, baseless slande
But you did so on your own accord and you "forgot" to refute that one specifically.
>>17849861
Yea sure, what you are saying is on the same spirit as what Im saying but you approve of it instead of dissaprove.

Tokien is basically a missionary priest who made subtle missionary work for retard peasant supermacy and painted european mythos over it to not be found out. Its like if you feed a starving person poisoned food.

>>17849873
Did you miss the part where every character was essentially chosen by fate in the fellowship

>>17849739
>>17849801
>They fear the sun and would rather everyone be miserable than be happy themselves
You've described Russians

There is a reason they are called orcs (and I say this as an American who has traveled to R*ssia in the last decade). And it's only partially because some Russian wrote an anti-Lord of the Rings trilogy from the point of view of the orcs about how based and trad and industrious Mordor is.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

>>17849669
I don't think orcs could be black because orcs had technology.
I thought that was one of the themes about nature vs modernity/mechanization, something like that, but blacks don't fit with either of those because they don't invent or produce anything and destroy nature.

>>17849899
You just ignored what I said and said something completely random to try and change topic. Im glad that my mere thoughts give you existential dread.

>>17849901
Travel to england as well. Same situation.

>>17849910
If tolkein thought country bumpkins were supreme he wouldn't have chosen a coalition of mostly kings and princlings to save the world

>>17849920
You mean do the dirty work with their sacrifice while the lower shit propagate?

Besides a "higher being" such as "fate" is seething little men narrative who want to feel that everyone have someone looming above them and not just them.

Now stfu Im opening VPN to download karryn's prison(tolkien's dream porn scenario).

>>17849646 (OP)
Hylians aren't elves. They are canonically just pointy eared humans. There are even other races that do fulfill the role of elves in the zora and kokiri.

>>17849928
>You mean do the dirty work with their sacrifice while the lower shit propagate?
Oh look the dangers gone and now the peasant trash are safe, le elves and le magic and le warrior nobility will now conveniently fade away after they done the dirty work.

Tolkien is a seething little man and nothing more. If he was born as a zoomer he would seethe next to andrew wilson and his glass jars because women want twinks barbarians and chads instead of his disgenic ass.

>>17849948
This post sounds like it was written by a bitter untermensch.

>>17849943
>hylians arent elves, they are just pointy eared humans who have a superior affinity for magic and nature and live far longer than other humans

>>17849960
Why would I seethe about a european mythos coated narrative where ubermensch sacrifice themselves and then conveniently fade away so I can spread my untermensch genetics in the aftermath if Im an untermensch you absolute retard?

>>17849968
>conveniently fade away
Aragorn establishes a revitalized line of kings, the white tree blooms, and the plots of the evil are undone. Happy ending... unless of course you are some kind of Sauron worshiper.

>>17849977
Yes retard its called subtlety as I explained above. In the big picture aftermath the ubermensch faded away and the untermensch propagated.

>>17849962
>who have a superior affinity for magic and nature and live far longer than other humans
None of this is true. The only potential difference is ALttP saying their ears are longer to help them hear the Gods. But that's presented like it's potentially a myth and has never been corroborated by anything. The race that's long lived and has an affinity for magic are the zora. And the race that has an affinity for nature are the kokiri. Hylians mostly live in cities or on farms, very few of them do any sort of magic, and they live normal human lifespans.

>>17849928
It's more of a thought experiment, if anything. If the seeming "end of the world" was about to occur in this fictional world with a real God, how would he influence the world to save it

>>17849983
>the ubermensch faded
No dummy. The white tree blooms and the sword is reforged. Only the evil would portray that as "bad". maybe you are just to dim to have grasped their metaphorical significance, real world correlations.

>>17850001
>If pakis were ending my post-ubermensch, untermesch biowaste society, how would sky daddy influence to save it
He wouldnt. He doesnt exist, only your biowaste genetics exist to LARP with guns you will never have the guts to use.

>>17849690
no, elves = nords
dwarves = germans
hobbits = celts
humans = anglos

>>17849985
>w..we're humans! j..just like you!
they must have some distant elvish blood

>>17850008
Here is tolkien without the subtlelty btw. Untermensch physiognomies having seething supermacy over noble physiognomies that can physicaly anihiliate them.

>>17850003
>maybe you are just to dim to have grasped their metaphorical significance, real world correlations.
Sure, go ahead and elaborate seeing as you ignore what I write and you just repeat yourself. If what you write is not interesting I will go and fap instead.

>>17850010
You should be ashamed of yourself for such retarded gibberish faggotry.

>>17850010
Just go ahead and read about the god skaen in pillars of eternity game. Thats all this seething fantasies of subtle tolkien and unsubtle >>17850008 are all about.

>>17850015
What do you mean? Is it or is it not the logical conclusion of the tolkien narrative when you peel away the subtlelty? Its all subhuman slave physiognomies seething at prosperous physiognomies.

>>17850010
>NOOO NOT OUR NOBLE PHYSIOGNOMY
this is exactly why you need your ears clipped, note the civilized elf on the left smiling knowing it's for the best and will help you to know god

>>17850021
Having seething fantasies*

>>17850008
same vibe

>>17850022
In reality your slave physiognomy made this because two girls were sitting on my lap during class after they told you that they are not looking for a relationship.

>>17850027
>slave physiognomy chud paints revenge fantasies because women dont like his baldcel
Those muscles are samwise gangee self-insert tier lmao

>>17850032
>imaginary elf girls sit on my lap
what a strange thing to say, I thought we were LARPing that elves are historically real and posting elves from anime and manga, since for whatever reason that's a thing now

>>17850043
>I-I totally didnt understand what you were saying
kek seethe more slave physiognomy.

>>17849646 (OP)
No, Tumblrina, that's not how they were used

Tolkien: my works arent analogies, there might be some loose inspirations but there is nothing metaphorical or whatever. i despise attempts at analogy
70 iq /his/torians: actually these guys are blacks, these guys are slavs, these guys are turks, these guys are jews i am very smart and tolkien secretly wanted me to make these analogies

>>17850049
I understand what you are saying, the old "I am Chad, you are Chud" routine, but ranting about physiognomy on an anime imageboard is not Chad behavior casting doubt on your testimony.

>>17850079
Oh I dont fulfill your specific narrative called chad? That must mean that you were not seething when you saw two girls sitting on my lap during class because I look the opposite of what you look like.

>>17850066
>Tolkien: my works arent analogies
Well yeah, he had to say that or they'd have excommunicated him for heresy against the catholic church.

>>17850008
Hylians are the dominant form of humans. It's their kingdom after all. And given the absence of round ears in the recent games, it appears as though the Hylians have done to them what we did to the neanderthals.

>>17849646 (OP)
>ogres for black people
Wasn’t it supposed to be orientals?

>>17850086
It is your narrative that you are Chad and 2 elf girls sat on your lap, and this heavily implies you are not actually Chad in real life.

>>17849666
>>17849669
>>17849681
>>17849690
Haradrim are blacks
>scary exoctic forigners from a far off hard to reach jungle land filled with savagery, cross breeding, and bizarre hard to understand animals

>>17850257
Nah thats the haradrim

>>17850592
>>17850606
Haradrim are MENAs, Blacks are the Troll-Men of Far Harad, Easterlings are Persians, Variags are Turko-Mongols. Jews are Goblins and Orcs are their ethnic hordes

>>17849646 (OP)
Are you people genuinely retarded?
Elves were Elves, that's it. JRRT didn't think in terms of "white man vs black man" because he wasn't a deranged American golem. The Men of the LOTR universe represent Mankind, to nobody's fucking surprise. Elves are ethereal mythical beings which he got from folklore, that's it.

>>17849681
He barely had any memory of South Africa and moved to *England early on. The only lasting impact South Africa had on him was apparently getting bitten by a spider there.

>>17850892
Wringwraiths are the rich, Black Numenoreans are Ashkenazis and politicians, Dunlendings are Insular Celts, and the Men of Dale are Americans, the Valesmen are Vikings, the Rohirrim are Scythians, Rhovanion/Dorwinion are the Franks, etc. Also, this >>17850005

>>17850892
>>17850919
Thats the movies lmao, their name is based of Aethiopians the literal name is derrived from the term for blacks back then, they aren’t “MENA” the movies did that to dodge racism accusations during production

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harad

>>17850948
>Tolkien based the Haradrim on ancient Aethiopians, people of Sub-Saharan Africa, following his philological research on the Old English word Sigelwara. He decided that this word referred to some kind of soot-black fire demon before it was applied to the Aethiopians. He based the Haradrim's use of war elephants, meanwhile, on that of Pyrrhus of Epirus in his war against Ancient Rome. Critics have debated whether Tolkien was racist in making the protagonists white and the antagonists black, but others have noted that Tolkien showed anti-xenophobic sentiments in real life, opposing any attempt to demonise the enemy in both World Wars.
>In Peter Jackson's film The Two Towers, the Haradrim were based on 12th century Saracens: they have turbans and flowing robes, and they ride mûmakil. The Haradrim appear in a variety of games and merchandise inspired by The Lord of the Rings.

>>17850952
Ethopian civilization is Arab, this reasoning sounds like cope, Blacks are the Troll-Men of Far Harad, and just like in real life they do not feature prominently into the story from the lands beyond the Sahara. What factions did I miss? Any idea who the Men of Angmar or Breelanders are? Wizards are purebloods maybe

>>17850978
>dey wuz arabs
Okay even though its not referring to modern Ethiopia or ancient Axum the term Aethiopian was a racial one to denote the dark skinned peoples of Africa, even groups in west Africa were referred to as such and the ancient ones were primarily the Meroitic people of Kush

>>17850991
Also the rest of post shows to me blacks make you seethe so you're desperate to paint any part of Africa you can cope post tie to “Arabs” like no one even knew they were there, Ghana, Mali, Kanem, Songhai, hausa kingdoms etc were known to the arab world even more minor kingdom like Tarkur is where the general name for west african peopled Tarkuri comes from, Mali, Kanem, and even Ife appear on famous maps like the Catalan Atlas, the swahili were extensively part of the Indian Ocean trade. There was chinese porcilin found in the various shona ruins across south east africa.
I get that you’re likely some insecure asshurt brownoid nationalist like in Europe or America cause you’re type are always anywhere but your shithole of origin, but the dey wuz arabs shit is long old /pol/ cope, youre probs gonna say those were arab kingdoms in your response

>>17850978
ethiopians have nothing to do with arabs.
pre islam, arabs invaded their shit and made their lives hell.
you won't find easy 1:1 parallels because Tolkein is an orientalist anglo. and we all know outsiders are not good sources for understanding a region that they would never survive in.

>>17849646 (OP)
>>17849905
Obsessed

>>17849646 (OP)
The Elves of LOR are literally the first children of Eru Ilúvatar (God) before the Atani (Men) while Orcs are animals, men and elves fruits of eugenics, slavery and torture by Morgoth and Sauron. That is, the inhabitants of the land equivalent of Europe are literally normal humans while the orcs can be of any race corrupted by Mordor.

The elves of Legend of Zelda are children of the goddess Hylia, who closely resembles the álfar from Germanic mythology, especially the Ljósálfar or elves of light. Like them, she is immortal, radiant, and deeply connected to divine power, light, and the protection of the world. Hylia resides in a celestial realm and plays a guardian role over humanity, much like how the light elves were seen as benevolent, semi-divine beings associated with the gods. In LOR, the equivalent of this is that the Elves were created by Eru Ilúvatar based on the his Valar (Angels/lesser Gods), unlike men, so they were immortal and lived with them in Valinor.

The Moblins, or Ogres from Zelda, are simply less strong clones of Ganondorf, so they are bulldog/pig-like like him.

>>17850991
>>17851004
>>17851026
It's not that deep, I disagree with the premise that all Haradrim = Blacks, simple as. Ethiopians are mixed and I'll leave it at that.

>>17851085
Remember that, according to Tolkien, Elves have orgasms so intense that they can even faint.

>The main source for understanding the intimate life of the Elves is the essay "Laws and Customs Among the Eldar," published in the book "Morgoth's Ring," part of the collection The History of Middle-earth

>In this text, Tolkien explains the following points:

>Union of Body and Spirit: For the Elves, there is no clear separation between the body (hröa) and the spirit (fëa). Sexual union is the ultimate and most complete expression of this fusion between two beings

>Pleasure and Delight: Tolkien states that "the union of love affords them indeed great delight and joy." He describes this experience as more powerful for Elves than for Mortals, precisely because their bodies are more perfectly controlled by their spirits. The pleasure is not merely carnal, but a holistic experience that involves the entire being

>Act of Creation: Procreation is an act of immense importance and consumes a large portion of the Elves' vital and spiritual energy. For this reason, they have few children

>>17851095
According to the Nature of Middle-earth, the Elves' mind-blowing sexual relations can last all day, if not aeons, and are unbearable for mortals. This is why Beren died shortly after fathering a son with the elf Lúthien, whom Tolkien self-inserted himself and his wife to the point of inscribing their names on their tombstones, hue.

>>17851099
>Lúthien and Beren are characters in J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy world Middle-earth. Lúthien is an elf, daughter of the elf-king Thingol and goddess-like Melian. Beren is a mortal man. The complex tale of their love for each other and the quest they are forced to embark upon is a story of triumph against overwhelming odds but ending in tragedy. It appears in The Silmarillion, the epic poem The Lay of Leithian, the Grey Annals section of The War of the Jewels, and in the texts collected in the 2017 book Beren and Lúthien. Their story is told to Frodo by Aragorn in The Lord of the Rings

>He had the name Luthien [sic] engraved on Edith's tombstone at Wolvercote Cemetery, Oxford. When Tolkien died 21 months later on 2 September 1973 from a bleeding ulcer and chest infection, at the age of 81, he was buried in the same grave, with "Beren" added to his name

>>17851088
No thats not what you posted or said also literal sources say that, you're coping thats why you added that last part, you based your understanding of the movies and can’t accept the basic connection its why you couldn’t help yourself and added this nonsense

>and just like in real life they do not feature prominently into the story from the lands beyond the Sahara.

>>17851125
Sure it was a little cheeky but relevant because it's the basis of my reasoning as to why I think they're the Troll-Men of Far Harad. As for my comment about the Ethiopians, the point was that their mixed origin could represent MENAs as a whole, keep in mind Arabs are also part Black and Blacks were present in their societies across different time periods as well, which perfectly represents the Haradrim already without the need for going full We Wuz with it. Also, who cares what some random source has to say about LOTR paralells anyways. Agree to disagree

>>17851103
Best part about this is that the tale of Beren and Luthien was still hidden lore at the time of Tolkiens death.
Silmarilion was published later on by his son, who managed to puzzle together a the mountain of scattered notes qnd letters that Tolkien had left behind, and it became Silmarilion. Tolkien really treated the First Age as our irl Bronze age, he wanted it to remain a world with only traces of its past, that created a difficult distinction of the myths, realities and the legends. We only know vaguely about the ancient kingdoms of the Hittites and Babylon, and he wanted it to be the same with Gondolin and Doriath.

Tolkien's elves are suppossed to represent pre-fallen Edenic saint humans.

Middle-Earth people are Europeans. Haradrims are moors/Arabs, far haradrims are Blacks. Easterlings Chinks.

Numenoreans some melting pot of Aryans with Atlantis, British empire and Roman empire.

>>17851160
>Easterlings Chinks.
Fucking what son?

>>17851160
>>17851152
You already lost buddy move on stop fighting a losing battle

>Tolkien based the Haradrim on ancient Aethiopians, people of Sub-Saharan Africa, following his philological research on the Old English word Sigelwara. He decided that this word referred to some kind of soot-black fire demon before it was applied to the Aethiopians. He based the Haradrim's use of war elephants, meanwhile, on that of Pyrrhus of Epirus in his war against Ancient Rome. Critics have debated whether Tolkien was racist in making the protagonists white and the antagonists black, but others have noted that Tolkien showed anti-xenophobic sentiments in real life, opposing any attempt to demonise the enemy in both World Wars.
>In Peter Jackson's film The Two Towers, the Haradrim were based on 12th century Saracens: they have turbans and flowing robes, and they ride mûmakil. The Haradrim appear in a variety of games and merchandise inspired by The Lord of the Rings.

>>17851172
They were supposed to be Turkic and other steppe peoples of Asiatic race. I remember Wainriders who invaded Gondor were depicted as some Turkic war chariot riding steppe barbarian horde.

>>17851173
Haradrims are Moors/Arabs.
Ignoring that they are depicted as wearing turbans sand niggers.
They captured the Numenorean city of Umbar, some short of Tunis, from where slaver Haradrim pirates sailed north. Aragorn, just as Charles V, sailed there and conquered it from southern forces.

>>17851177
Ye ok I can buy them being inspired by Turk/Tatar tribes of the near east with that reference, but you literally called them chinks (chinese) which is a bit of a stretch.

>>17851160
>Numenoreans some melting pot of Aryans with
Must be said that back then when people associated Aryans to some short of Sumerian/Egypt tier highly advanced civilization in Hyperborea instead of a bunch of inbreed illiterate zoophilic nomadic savages from Russian steppes not different from Turks, Scythians and Mongols.

>>17851173
Moors in Classical and Medieval sources were characterized as black people. The very word "moor" come from the Greek word for Black.

>>17851185
Well, Tatars and other Turkics were the first persons of Yellow race Europeans ever saw. Roman and Greek writers who witnessed them were quite surprissed with their skulls shape and slanted eyes. As well with their customs since Turkics were cucks.

>ibf4 chinese =/= altaic
European writers from before second half of XX century always catalogued Turkics as members of Yellow race.

>>17851197
I have a lot of doubt on this. Never ever heard it before.
The whole "yellow" thing didn't start until Europeans began colonizing and thus racially categorize non-europeans

Tolkien's whole world is a grand mix of folklore, history, and the desire to create a true British mythology. Elves are kind of celts, kind of mythological creatures, and kind of ancient heroes. One of my favorites is Gondor and Rohan's relationship basically being the "what if Anglo Saxons were given a new kingdom by the Byzantine empire"

>>17851183
>>17851190

Youre so desperate my guy
>no no they can’t be blacks no blacks in my fantasy story

>look at this post movie see see ignore the actual source material

> Tolkien based the Haradrim on ancient Aethiopians, people of Sub-Saharan Africa, following his philological research on the Old English word Sigelwara. He decided that this word referred to some kind of soot-black fire demon before it was applied to the Aethiopians. He based the Haradrim's use of war elephants, meanwhile, on that of Pyrrhus of Epirus in his war against Ancient Rome. Critics have debated whether Tolkien was racist in making the protagonists white and the antagonists black, but others have noted that Tolkien showed anti-xenophobic sentiments in real life, opposing any attempt to demonise the enemy in both World Wars.
>In Peter Jackson's film The Two Towers, the Haradrim were based on 12th century Saracens: they have turbans and flowing robes, and they ride mûmakil. The Haradrim appear in a variety of games and merchandise inspired by The Lord of the Rings.
Your posting art from the fan wiki lmao

First its
>well ah ethiopians are arabs
>blacks aren’t mention past the sarah
>well ah some spanish depicted the moors as black
>heres the first I founf when googling haradrim white

>>17851236
Tolkien arrived at the idea of Harad, a hot Southern land, through his philological work. The Old English Biblical poem Exodus in the tenth-century Codex Junius 11 includes a passage that caught Tolkien's attention:[10]
Codex Junius 11
(Old English) Modern English[11]
.. be suðan Sigelwara land, forbærned burhhleoðu, brune leode, hatum heofoncolum. "... southward lay the Ethiop's land, parched hill-slopes and a race burned brown by the heat of the sun."

Imagemap with clickable links. Tolkien's Sigelwara etymologies, leading to major strands of his Legendarium including also the Silmarils and Balrogs.[12][13]
Tolkien was interested in particular in the Old English word used for "Aethiopians": it was Sigelwara, or in Tolkien's emendation Sigelhearwan.[14] The Tolkien scholar Tom Shippey writes that Tolkien's philological research, described in his essay "Sigelwara Land",[T 19] began from the assumption that the word could not originally have meant Aethiopian, but must have been co-opted to that usage having once meant something comparable. Tolkien approached the question by analysing the two parts of the word. Sigel meant, according to Tolkien, "both sun and jewel", the former as it was the Old English name of the Sun rune, Proto-Germanic: *sowilō (ᛋ), the latter connotation from Latin sigillum, a seal.[13]

>>17849646 (OP)
>haradrim
Turks/Persians
>numenor
Generic " fallen empire faded into myth" like Rome
>Rohan
Anglo Saxons. They literally use the helmet.
>Orcs
Literally bugmen. Tolkien was a fag who thought the industrial revolution killed his idyllic 1700s English farmer lifestyle. Because he backtracked on the origins of orcs several times, I suspect that he never intended for them to be more than generic cannon fodder. Then he went ahead and did something even gayer by inserting the most painfully obvious allegory about dehumanizing yourself to fight war or work a job in the industrial era.
>dwarves
Tolkien himself said they were based on jews, but when you read about their actual culture and descriptions it's straight out of germanic myths. Only the language takes from yiddish. Probably to make them sound even more foreign to most speakers of germanic languages

>>17851287
It's funny how Tolkien never managed to truly explain what the orcs were. There is a lot of back and forth and contradicting statements about how evil cannot create only corrupt etc.
How they multiply is still a bit of a mystery. As were the Uruks.

>>17849681
>Tolkien grew up in south africa
He was a small child and didn't have many memories about it. Later, as an adult, he seethed about Apartheid like the good goy he was.

>>17849787
>>17849828
Wasn't Tolkien literally a devout monarchist?

>>17850592
Haradrim are stand in for any generic brown Horde that wants to loot and destroy European lands. Arabs, Mongols, nafris, Tatars, the French etc.
The Corsairs of Umbar are Berber pirates from Algiers/Tunis.
Orcs used to be elves who were corrupted by evil through torture i.e. Christian boys who were turned into Janissaries through slavery.
Saruman = Suleiman
Mordor = Anatolia
Barad Dur = Hagia Sophia/A giant Minarette
Minas Morgul = Constantinople
Minas Tirith = Vienna
Morgoth = Baphomet/"Muhammad"
Blue Wizards = Eastern Christians who were turned into dhimmi
The setting was obviously inspired by late medieval/early modern Europe, the charge of the Rohirrim should have ticked everybody off to that. >>17850066 is a fag

>>17851540
Minas Tirith is Constantinople
Mordor is Turkey
Orcs are the brown to black mixed race hordes trying to destroy the world
Sauron and the "evil" is the jews that all serve the devil

Jews: We wuz Dwarves n sheit
Blacks: We wus Haradrim n sheit
Everyone else: Lol. Lmao, even

>>17851547
>Minas Tirith is Constantinople
Jerusalem actually; Arnor represents israel and gondor judah

>>17851677
He was a catholic you retarded jew. You are literally the evil bastards he hated, anti-christ faggots all of you.

>>17851680
Idiot; he took inspiration from the old testament to make Arnor and gondor.

>>17851680
>makes a million fake languages inspired by hebrew
>makes open paralells between jews and "The West"
>dude he HATED le jews..
hang yourself you schizo

>>17851689
>inspired by hebrew
You know why Pinocchio has a long nose. Jews are liars.

>>17851004

>>17849646 (OP)
No. Tolkien was a classist asshole and evil was nigh unanimously a stand in for working class brits.

>>17851697
>I do think of the 'Dwarves' like Jews: at once native and alien in their habitations,
speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue

Tolkien, letter 176

>>17851689
>anti-christ devil spawn are le good guys
Why are jews such shameless liars? Is it because they lack self awareness or is it profound unjustified arrogance?

>>17851680
Catholicism is Jewish

>>17851783
Jews are anti-christ. The enemies of God. The antagonists of history. The servants of evil.

>>17851004
>Ghana, Mali, Kanem, Songhai, hausa kingdoms
ah yes, vast complex civilizations equal to Rome

>>17850592 >>17850903 >>17851511
there were black people, but also the sight of lumbering welshmen emerging from caverns would have left a lasting impression

>>17850026
She’s not wrong. Ugly people seethe over attractive people.

>>17850008
But I like knife ears :(

>>17851698
>>17851793
Yep its brownoid cope still coping lmao apparently relevant enough to show up on global maps

There are no ogres in middle earth

And Tolkien hated racism