Whenever I talk about the horrific abuse I endured as as child and use that as proof that God cannot possibly be benevolent the only thing they ever have to say is "I'm sorry that happened to you, his ways are mysterious"

>>17852061 (OP)
>Whenever I talk about the horrific abuse I endured as as child and use that as proof that God cannot possibly be benevolent
so you choose to reject God because of mortal circumstances, but then blame the choices of the men who had power over you on God?
why do you reject agency when it comes to the abusers but accept it when it comes to you, who reject God, and God, who had no part in your abuse?

>>17852073
>but then blame the choices of the men who had power over you on God?
Who is more powerful, them or God?
>God, who had no part in your abuse
He is omnipresent so actually he was right there watching it happen and did nothing to stop it, even though he has literally infinite power and could have if he wanted to. I am forced to assume he wanted it to happen to me.

>>17852061 (OP)
A finite amount of suffering is utterly insignificant compared to an eternity receiving your just reward.

All problem of evil arguments fail because atheoids are brainlets who don't understand basic facts about eternity.

The "injustice" of suffering in this life is infinitely more insignificant than the "injustice" of a parent taking away their infant's present on christmas then a moment later when the infant starts to get upset giving the present back plus an even better present.

Basically just grow up and trust in God.

>>17852096
I'm not an atheist. I believe God is real and evil.

>>17852073
Have you been imancipated from your abusers?
Who wanted that?

>>17852061 (OP)
Ok I'll give it to you straight. Truth is that God is omnibenevolent with the ONE exception that he condones child rape. Now that you're no longer a child you're pretty much on the safe side

>>17852097
Either way you're claiming that the presence of evil invalidates the idea of a perfectly just God, which is false.
God is perfectly just because he gives everyone an eternity of their just reward in the afterlife .

>>17852107
>God is perfectly just because he gives everyone an eternity of their just reward in the afterlife .

Nope. If you freely allow any amount of evil to be done to innocents, you are not wholly good.

>>17852061 (OP)
One day you will only understand that they only want God to be good for their own selfish reasons. They want their reward at the end.

>>17852117
>their "reward" is spending trillions upon trillions of years in the throne room with all their individuality gone screaming holy holy holy and reminding Yahweh of how awesome he is

I hope they get it

>>17852084
>Who is more powerful, them or God?
God
>He is omnipresent so actually he was right there watching it happen and did nothing to stop it
Why should He _need_ to stop it?
>inb4 because He is supposedly Good
A)That doesn't answer why He needs to do it, tho. God is already perfect, He has no _need_ for external or internal actions to manifest that Goodness, being its Definitio.
B)The Bible says that all suffering will be ended on the day of Resurrection. Why do presume that you _ought_ to have relief beforehand, instead of praying for it and working for it?
>even though he has literally infinite power and could have if he wanted to. I am forced to assume he wanted it to happen to me.
A) no, you are not "forced" to assume" anything. Have you no agency?
B)why do you assume that God will not punish your abusers for their usage of their Free Will, and why do you assume the pain is eternal when you are told in the Bible that only God is truly Eternal, and that He will specifically "wipe every tear"?

>>17852126
>Why should He _need_ to stop it?
He should stop a child from being abused if he wants to be called good. This isn't complex.

>>17852112
If there is no free will, there is no good.

>>17852126
>why do you assume that God will not punish your abusers for their usage of their Free Will

Punishing my abusers after the fact won't un-abuse me. The damage is done. God could have stopped it from happening but chose not to.

>>17852129
Complete nonsense. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

>>17852134
Good is a choice. No choice, no good.

>>17852136
You can define health without sickness. You can have good without evil. Isn't the entire premise of Heaven it being a place where there is only good, and no evil?

>>17852127
>He should stop a child from being abused if he wants to be called good.
Why? Again, your petty name-calling is nothing to God, since everything Good comes from Him. Without Him there is only Gehenna.
Again, God doesn't _need_ to do anything, especially for someone who does not believe nor wants His blessing, so why should He do it?
>>17852130
>Punishing my abusers after the fact won't un-abuse me.
>setting limits on a limitless being

>>17852140
I'm not seeing the contradiction. Choice exists in heaven, so Good exists.

>>17852103
>condones child rape.
Sends unrepentant rapists to hell*
Gives them a chance to repent becauae he loves them as much as he loves you*
This means you can be saved no matter how you've behaved.

>>17852151
>Choice exists in heaven
O rly. So there is a place where free will exists and theres no evil?

>>17852151
Can you sin in Heaven?

>>17852141
>Without Him there is only Gehenna.
False, he created that too. Do you think things exist before/without God?

>>17852180
>>17852181
You can sin in heaven, but you dont ,because of the self-selection that occurs.
There are a couple of posts above that illustrate how that works - you dont want to praise God for eternity, so you wont.

Sin would be the free decision to leave, by definition.

>>17852189
>You can sin in heaven, but you dont ,because of the self-selection that occurs.

Does Jesus still pay for the sins you commit in Heaven or is it just Earth sins

>>17852061 (OP)
This is one of the reasons I feel like classical theism has to be actively bad for society on some level. People really think the morally perfect being just sits around doing nothing while innocents are abused, killed, sick, etc when he could prevent it with less than a fingersnap? How does that not rub off on your own moral reasoning and make you indifferent to those you could easily help unless your mind is totally broken up into non-interacting compartments?

>>17852061 (OP)
If god does things for reasons then it means he is subject to external constraints. Christcucks have no answer for this so they resort to word games and circular arguments.

god's world is chaotic and religion is just a tool to find your place in it in harmony
if you can't use that tool then you have to move on and change the tools, what does lingering on shitty tools do for you (be angry at a supposedly benevolent god)?
for someone who thinks god is evil the obvious middle finger to it is to go out of your way to do good with your own hands, then you know for sure there's good even the world he created

>>17852222
But he's the source of reason?
>cucks
Why the hatred? These are deep, obscure, and interesting topics. It behooves us to approach them with curiosity. How else can we hope to understand them at this level?

>>17852061 (OP)
I'm sorry to hear that but honestly, what are you expecting people to tell you? The whole idea is that you should turn to God, not to people. It's the people that enact the evil to begin with.

>>17852215
>when he could prevent it
He doesn't need to prevent it. He can turn it into good after it happened. It is for humans to prevent evil because that's the only way we know how to dispense with it. God's firstborn came to preach love and we tortured him and killed him for it. This is the worst thing that could have ever happened. God didn't prevent it. He turned it into the best thing that ever happened.

>>17852258
>It's the people that enact the evil to begin with.
And it's God who ultimately allows it to happen. Way to miss the entire point of this thread dingus.

>>17852277
Please read the second half of the comment you were replying to. Also, OP is specifically complaining about what people are telling him. This is not a valid complaint. There is nothing they could tell you no matter what the case.

>>17852281
>Please read the second half of the comment you were replying to
I did. It's a lame cope, and I'm still waiting for God to turn my childhood abuse into the "best thing that ever happened". Do you even hear yourself?

>>17852183
>False, he created that too.
Obviously, as wanting to exist while being separated from God is logically inconsistent. God defines qualities, including existence, as Definitio.
Since people want to insist on sinning, a special state has to be created for them.
>inb4 but that's impossible
>again, putting limits on a limitless being

>>17852297
I hear myself. As I heard myself call out to God in my painful moments. In the end I saw that they were for the best. And again, that's pretty much all anyone will be able to tell you. Besides that all you will get is general compassion. And there absolutely is place for compassion and pity in a healing process, but it seems like in the OP you're merging that with theology.

>>17852061 (OP)
Sorry, looks like you're not of the elect!
>God chose this for me? That makes Him evil!
That's just what a hellbound unelect would say
>But it's not my fault!
Too bad, not God's problem
>Is there anything I can do to be forgiven and enter His grace?
No.

>>17852061 (OP)
If God is evil, why do good things happen?
By calling God evil you dont do away with mystery and "cope", you just call it something else.

Why would you let earthly things prevent you from loving God and his sacrifice?

>>17852882
Anger and vengefulness. Everyone feels it.

>>17852096
Why you keep talking about children's Christmas presents when it was actually rape?

I hate Christ fags. The only thing worse is Islam.

Look, God has a superpower to always get what he wants (omnipotence)
I don't understand how you don't put 2 and 2 together, and realize he wants a world where children is abused

>>17852882
>actually things don't matter cuz heaven or something

>>17852084
>omnipresent
It says so nowhere in them Bible. The Bible actually says God hides his face from a lot of people because they are wicked.

>>17852963
If someone who suffered more than you loved him your argument is invalid. It means you hate him because you're proud not because you suffered.

You need to let your suffering humble you.

>>17853115
>The Bible actually says God hides his face from a lot of people because they are wicked.
>children being abused are wicked and that's why God doesn't help them

>>17852963
Because he doesnt want to be a dictator.
You dont have the right to be a dictator.

>>17852981
Its not that they dont matter. Its that theyre less important.
You know theyre less important but you dont want to live like thats the case. You don't think there's anyone smarter than you that could guide you.

>>17853240
1. You can hide yet be present everywhere.
2. Xchildren who are abused still have a choice as to whether they are wicked. You are fallible even if you were raped. You dont have the right to be a dictator.

There are people who's free will is extracted from them via brainwashing and torture - these people, god forgives.
You're judged based on your free will.

You dont want to believe in this because you dont want to be accountable for your free will.

>>17852129
>If there is no free will, there is no good.
so the sky jew is bound by external constraints?

>>17852136
what causes choice?

>>17852061 (OP)
put God away for a second.
what happened to you and who do you blame for it?

>>17852189
what causes people's decisions?

>>17852215
All human progress occurred in spite of religion.

Dont cast pearls before swine OP, abrahamists will bend themselves into pretzels gaslighting you and coming up with whatever cope necessary to excuse the absurd contradictions of their god yahweh. They do this because they are hylic NPCs and as such are extremely subservient and cannot process basic logic that runs contrary to their programming. By definition if they COULD do this they wouldn't be Abrahamists and would have moved on from ii. "NO, goy, do NOT ask questions, do not come up with your own conclusions, do not express dissent or dissastisfaction with the state of things. Just obey the commandments, trust the plan, 2 more millennia, there is nothing beyond the farmer's fence you stupid cattle."

Read the forbidden religion.

>>17853293
I'dd view it more like a firefighter
I don't understand in what sense a firefighter is a dictator, when he rescues me from a burning building

>>17853309
You are a disgusting monster, just like your god.

>>17853319
Where do you think that law exists?

>>17853323
>>17853326
The will, given you by God.

>>17853400
Indeed dictators see themselves rescuing the world while they ruin it. That's pride for you.
>>17853403
According to what standard?

>>17853396
Or just have self discipline and resist the tyranny of the world.

>>17853471
>According to what standard?
Mine

>>17852061 (OP)
You are blaming God for something somebody else did. Think about that.

>>17853534
Was it not within God's power to stop them?

>>17853530
A creation of the "evil" God? That doesnt add up. Where'd your goodness come from?

>>17853545
For all you know, he did stop them.
The rapist could have built a torture dungeon.

>>17853545
That brings an interesting question to mind - at what point does god "have" to stop the rapist before he's evil?
And how do we know what a good God would do?

>>17853584
That brings another interesting quetion to mind - at what point do you have to start improving before you're considered evil for not having done an arbitrary set of good deeds?

>>17853603
For example, someone in the world is about to get raped. It's in your power to stop them. When are you going to be good?
Or is there perhaps another measure thats more mysterious?

>>17853607
"Oy but thats too much pressure! I have a life to live!"
Well, actually that's why everyone is condemnable and thats why the crucifixion matters.

>>17853550
>A creation of the "evil" God?
Nope. He only pretends to be the creator of souls. Yaldabaoth literally means "pretender"

>>17853607
>For example, someone in the world is about to get raped. It's in your power to stop them. When are you going to be good?

God is omnipresent and infinitely powerful, humans like you and I are not. Once again proving that Christniggers think God is just a really powerful human king or anime character.

>>17853615
There is good you can do which you have not done. All the rest of that vitriol is of your own invention, out of stubborn insecurity.
>>17853612
You invoked that name, nobody else. And in so doing, you only begged the question - who is the "real" creator, by whose influence you understand what goodness is, which influence the "fake" creator can't seem to overcome, even through rape and torture?
You already know the answer to both of these in God and Satan but you're confused as to which qualities belong to which, and it's causing you to act jealous and spiteful despite already having your share in goodness.

>>17852061 (OP)
God gave your abuser the free will to abuse you. God is still good for doing that btw.

>>17853717
he didn't cause the abuser to do it no matter how much you seethe.

>>17853717
>>17853739
and what's more, he'll help you to recover.
and the only reason you won't is because you'd rather seethe about not having a choice, when actually you do.
and he'll help the rapist to make amends. but he won't because he thinks the same way you do, as if the devil has already won him.

>>17853739
No but he knew it would happen and decided preserving the free will of a pedophile rapist is more important to him than stopping a child from being raped.

>>17853680
Yahweh is Yaldabaoth

>>17853747
preserving the free will of the pedo is not equivalent to causing the pedo to rape no matter how much you seethe.
you have the free will to improve now but you won't because you'd rather condemn the pedo than save yourself.

>>17853749
And you still have the opportunity to repent for your sins and thereby make the world a better place.

>>17853753
>preserving the free will of the pedo is not equivalent to causing the pedo to rape no matter how much you seethe.
Yeah, it is. God is an omnipotent being. He knows who will commit rape before he even creates them and he creates them anyway. That is the same as God raping you.

>>17853757
God is omnipotent (omniscient in this case).
And yet you still have the opportunity to change, as does any living rapist who wants to. Why is that?

You won't accept that knowledge is strange, and you won't accept mystery - but calling God evil doesn't do away with any mystery. You still have no explanation as to why in all his evil you know what goodness is and are free to do good.

>>17853739
I never said God was the cause. God gives everyone the free will and God is good for doing so.

>>17853757
The will is not a mechanical object. Its creation is not like the creation of a rube-goldberg machine. Knowledge of that will is not participation in it.
Quantum computers exist. Hypercubes exist.
These are mysteries that no demon you want to worship will give you an understanding of. You don't know things in the same way that God knows them.
Restrict the rapist's sin to the rapist.
That you are responsible for your own development from here on out is not monstrous. It's freedom. You have help if you want it.

>>17853779
Thought you were being sarcastic because it's 4chan and the thread is full of bad faith.

>>17852061 (OP)
Sorry anon, life is hard

>>17853779
Why did God create flesh eating virus's and cancer ?

>>17853889
Flesh eating virus's and cancer are merely indicators that something has gone terribly wrong in creation. Flesh eating virus's and cancer are unnatural because death is unnatural. Luckily, Jesus invites us to be a part of a world that isnt subject to decay, brokenness, or the corruption of evil. He can share in everlasting life if we follow Him.

>>17853904
>Flesh eating virus's and cancer are merely indicators that something has gone terribly wrong in creation. Flesh eating virus's and cancer are unnatural because death is unnatural.
Can't God fix that? Doesn't he want to fix that?

>>17853907
Yes he can. Do you want Him to?

>>17853940
Personally not too big a fan of cancer.

>>17852061 (OP)

>Y BAD THING HAPPEN

I've heard this so many times, it just makes me nauseous.

>>17853942
>2.000 year old question
>still not satisfying answer (other than god doesn't exist or he's evil)

>>17853942
>retarddit spacing
>retarddit meme
>affinity for busty boys
>namefag
>tripfag
>christcuck
HOLY FUCK. FUCK OFF

>>17853946
>2000 year old question
>answered by a 4000 year old story
Read Job.

>>17853951

>wrong, my spacing is normal

>wrong, this meme came from 4chan

>wrong, what the fuck is that

>wrong, i'm an anon

>wrong, no trip

>wrong, shinto

>>17853955
God is clearly evil in Job. You are just a cuck with stockholm syndrome