What kind of benevolent deity would be impressed by his followers willingness to murder their own children?

>>17855485 (OP)
Abraham was mentally I'll, heard voices in his head, he mutilated his penis and then tried to murder his son

>>17855485 (OP)
The redpill is that the story of the Binding of Isaac in Genesis 22 is edited. The redactors did not want to promote child sacrifice, but the original story did. Abraham and Isaac go up the mountain, only Abraham comes down. You can literally remove the whole portion with the angel telling Abraham to stop and the story flows just as well, if not better:

He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you.” Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, “Father?” “Yes, my son?” Abraham replied. “The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” And the two of them went on together. When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. The angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!” “Here I am,” he replied. The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.” Then Abraham returned to his servants, and they set off together for Beersheba. And Abraham stayed in Beersheba.

Isaac was a firstborn sacrificed as a burnt offering.

>>17855560
Yhwh orderimg child sacrifice isn't new

>Then I thought I would pour out my wrath upon them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 But I withheld my hand and acted for the sake of my name, so that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations, in whose sight I had brought them out. 23 Moreover, I swore to them in the wilderness that I would scatter them among the nations and disperse them through the countries, 24 because they had not executed my ordinances but had rejected my statutes and profaned my Sabbaths, and their eyes were set on their ancestors’ idols. 25 Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live. 26 I defiled them through their very gifts, in their offering up all their firstborn, in order that I might horrify them, so that they might know that I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 20

>>17855602
Obviously, there's tons of commandments all over the Torah demanding it too. Judaism is by its very nature a child sacrifice cult. You can emend stories and laws, you can pretend that it never happened, but Yahweh is without a doubt a deity who thrives on the sacrifice of firstborn sons. Christianity is based on Yahweh sacrificing his son for us. Kipp Davis had a pretty good video with Heath Dewrell on it a few months ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvcaZpwvmDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHr9BmXaQq8

>>17855629
>>17855602
We have to destroy the three abrahamic religions for the good of humanity

>>17855629
Makes you think what kind of society would first have adopted such an angry,wrathfull god that demands total obedence under threat of divine retailation; probably one that was constantly struggling and under constant attack amd neede everyone to fall in line

>>17855485 (OP)
>don’t actually kill Isaac it was just a prank bro
>also if you sacrifice your children to Moloch I will smite you and deprive you of land
Did you miss those parts of the book?

>>17855691
>don’t actually kill Isaac it was just a prank bro
He's not against child sacrifice he's against child sacrifice to other gods, like Ba'al. Look into Jephthah's daughter.

>>17855485 (OP)
>29 “You shall not delay to make offerings from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses.[c]

>“The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. 30 You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall remain with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.

Exodus 22

>>17855552
Considering the fact he lived in a time period where people would carve statues of wood and then burn their newborn children alive because they thought the statues were gods, he seemed to be a step mentally sounder than most humans.

>>17855697
Save for the fact that God never commanded Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter and Jephthah was being a lawtist

>>17855698
>13 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Consecrate to me all the firstborn; whatever is the first to open the womb among the Israelites, of human beings and animals, is mine.”

Exodus 13

>>17855691
The bible is a fiction, god is a made up mythology, all that shit in the bible lays squarely on the people that wrote it firstly and on the people that follow it too

>>17855710
Abraham was going to kill his son because a voice in his head told him to

>>17855718
Why didn't he stop him like he did Abraham? In fact, he blessed him with many more military victories. He didn't punish him for sacrificing his daughter at all.

>>17855737
Yes, compared to modern women who rip out and murder their babies because their feelings told them. Your grasp on human sanity is paltry.

>>17855743
Jephtah’s line died out and ended with his daughter because he chose to sacrifice her. How is that not a punishment?

>>17855758
Why didn't God punish him in any immediate tangible way if he is so against human sacrifice.

>>17855751
You just admitted he was insane; good job

>>17855765
>your grasp on human sanity is paltry
>uum a-admition!
Lol. You’re practicing what is referred to as projection and didn’t read, though you’re not mentally well so go figure.

>>17855764
>>17855758

>>17855758
Jephthah is listed among the Israelite heroes, people commended for their faith, in Hebrews 11.

>>17855792
And being a “hero of faith” means he never sinned?

>>17855799
Jephthah faithfully fulfilling his promise to God and killing his daughter is kind of the centerpiece of his story in Judges. There isn't much else to point out that is similarly dramatic in a positive way to make up for it that I can see. So what else would be referred to as his commendable faith aside from him making and fulfilling his unfortunate vow? Especially since Abraham being *willing* to kill his son is the foremost demonstration of his faith, though God stopped him.

>>17855710
I was trolling, Abraham is a fiction just like the rest of the contents of the bible,

Don't worship mythologies

I can’t wait to see the Lord’s judgement consume you rats.

>>17856261
There's that Christian love showing it's ugly face again.

>>17856261
Never going to happen. It's been 2,000 years of nothing with your Lord, and it will stay that way. Stupid Christcuck piece of shit.

>>17856266
>I HATE God so much that I compulsively post about it on 4chan
Cool, have fun burning
>FFFFFF THERE'S NO HATE LIKE CHRISTIAN LOVE I NEED TO EAT FECES OUT OF MY BOYFRIEND'S ASS. PROBLEM BIGOT?
..Right.
>>17856501
You're so fucked. :)

>>17856505
You're obsessed with assholes and poop. Makes me wonder if you're one of them.

>>17857613
Nope. I hate shit.

>>17858077
If you hate poop and gay sex so much why do you talk about it all the time?

>>17858086
>If you hate poop and gay sex so much why do you talk about it all the time?
Because people who hate God are fags, and it's rhetorically useful to remind them and others how obsessed they are with feces.

>>17855710
>people would carve statues of wood and then burn their newborn children alive
This didn't happen unlike your Jewish prophet that cut his own penis and attempted to murder his own son in the name of a jewgod

>>17855751
>compared to modern women who rip out and murder their babies
Another thing that doesn't happen, you're a liar like your god.

Cosmic narcissist abuse is love according to bronze age retards. Please understand

>>17858197

>>17858197
>Cosmic narcissist abuse is love according to bronze age retards.
Right, right. You have a much more enlightened understanding of love which includes men eating feces out of each other's diseased anuses.

>>17858213
>men eating feces out of each other's diseased anuses.
Nta but you're projecting your own degeneracy on the ones calling out the degeneracy of your religion

>>17858213
I don't understand why so many people apparently feel it necessary to accept a whole elaborate system of delusions just to legitimize their hatred of the gays.

>>17858228
>Nta but you're projecting your own degeneracy on the ones calling out the degeneracy of your religion
I'm not a Catholic. Enjoy Hell.

>>17858231
>I don't understand why so many people apparently feel it necessary to accept a whole elaborate system of delusions just to legitimize their hatred of the gays.
Right, because you're too stupid and too hateful of God to understand that nothing like that is happening. You should kill yourself.

>>17858235
My second best guess is that you're only pretending to believe in religion or have any moral opinions at all. You're just ball of repressed anger using religion as a guise to let off steam online. Even if God is just a cosmic narcissist, I wonder if he would approve of that.

>>17858231
>whole elaborate system of heresies
Fixed you

>>17855552
>Abraham was wrongthinklly I'll
Mental ilness this schizo that crowd needs to experience actual demonic possesion

>>17855485 (OP)
If you don't see the story of Abraham as beautiful you will never understand what faith is

>>17855485 (OP)
You're going to hell

>>17858249
Still wrong. Let this be a lesson to you: Your pattern recognition is functionally worthless. Stop trying to use it.

>>17858377
I'm going to err on the side of believing that the guy bringing up eating poo out of nowhere, wishing hell on people, and telling people to kill themselves is either trolling or lacking in self awareness.

>>17855485 (OP)
A jewish deity.

>>17855560
Then how are Israelites supposed to be descended from Isaac in this version?

>>17856266
What makes you think tjat you deserve to be loved? You are not even human being

>>17858249
>u-u mad
Low iq take.

>>17855602
Child sacrifice was a common semitic rite in the bronze age, also practiced by Phoenicians and virtually everyone else in Canaan. Jews didn't even worship Yahweh exclusively back when this rite was actually observed, he was but one god among many others, and not even a very important one until very late in the bronze age.

>>17859075
Cause that story is older than the "Chosen people" mythology. That "chosen people" shit started as a tool by the Jewish elite to convince their own people to follow Yahweh to the exclusion of other gods. That Yahweh had singled them out, specifically, and formed a covenant with them according to all these old stories that had conveniently surfaced recently which proved it.

>>17858420
Keyword: "err".

>>17855485 (OP)
Love of God must surpass that of any Earthly being, even that of one's kin. Makes sense to me, OP.

Then that love can spill over to all the Creation, and you would be like god. But, you don't understand this yet, because you haven't opened your heart. God bless.

>>17859104
You're pulling shit out of your ass.

>>17855485 (OP)
A jewish one.

The whole thing would have remained an obscure, irrelevant-tier religion on pair with Papuan pagans mithology, were it not for Jesus throwing all that judean psycopathic crap into the trashbin and establishing a whole new religion.

>>17855485 (OP)
>What kind of benevolent deity would be impressed by his followers willingness to murder their own children?
One that is willing to have His firstborn son murdered for our sake.

>>17860297
God has lost nothing by letting himself be killed to appease himself; there is no sacrifice

>>17860326
That's quite misleading. He was humiliated, tortured, died one of the most agonizing deaths on the planet and went to literal hell before being raised to the Father. You have ways to experience some of these things too, but I would wager that a profound fear of loss is stopping you from trying them out.

>>17855560
This is false since Isaac is later described as being alive at age 40 and begat Esau and Jacob, 2 other important figures.

Genesis 25
>19 And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son: Abraham begat Isaac:

>20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.

>21 And Isaac intreated the Lord for his wife, because she was barren: and the Lord was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.

>22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the Lord.

>23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

>24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

>25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

>26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

>>17855485 (OP)
Was Isaac canonically a sexy, muscular, 25 year old hebrew man, or did christian propagandists make him look older to make child murder an easier pill to swallow?

>>17860355
All those sections use Yahweh instead of Elohim, confirming that everything about Isaac surviving are edits

>>17860639
14 year old boys looked like that back then because they weren't raised on soimeal and high fructose corn syrup.

>>17855485 (OP)
To test his faithfulness but aside from this, to show us that God takes his own medicine- he spared Isaac, but when it was time for a sacrifice, he let his own son die on the cross to redeem us (and subsequently conquer death)

>>17860701
>To test his faithfulness
Why would an omniscient God need to "test" anything? The only reason you would need to test something is if you don't already know the outcome, which would automatically make God not all knowing.

>>17860716
The reader is not omniscient.

>>17860701
The etymology of redeem is to buy back someone who was destined to be sacrificed, so what does it mean, that we all need to be redeemed?

My best understanding is along the lines
>we have sinned
>God will punish us
>but God made a human sacrifice (Jesus) to buy us back from punishment
>this saves us from the punishment

About right?

>>17860758
So God does it for narrative purposes?

>>17855485 (OP)
a jewish one

>>17860785
Yes. Most of the Bible exists for narrative purposes, I would say. Because narrative is the base of human understanding.

>>17860645
If Isaac was sacrificed then Jacob's whole saga and descendants like Joseph and his coat of many colors were a complete fabrication just to hide it.

>>17860810
I did a stylometric analysis on the Joseph cycle at one point and found that it's basically a bunch of different episodes stitched together. Probably based on the Story of Ahiqar if anything.
>In the story, Ahikar is a mythical chancellor to the Assyrian kings Sennacherib and Esarhaddon. Having no child of his own, he adopted his nephew Nadab/Nadin, and raised him to be his successor. Nadab/Nadin ungratefully plotted to have his elderly uncle murdered, and persuades Esarhaddon that Ahikar has committed treason. Esarhaddon orders Ahikar be executed in response, and so Ahikar is arrested and imprisoned to await punishment. However, Ahikar reminds the executioner that the executioner had been saved by Ahikar from a similar fate under Sennacherib, and so instead the executioner kills a different prisoner, and pretends to Esarhaddon that it is the body of Ahikar.
Sound familiar?

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