>"Oh my GOD the absolute PLIGHT of our soldiers! Quick make another movie!!!!"
>all media depicts one-sided victories as "struggles"
>completely ignores times the US actually got its shit pushed in
>worship of veterans is almost like a religion in the US
The vast majority of American war history is them relying on superior firepower or some bullshit advantage. There's never been a time in history where America has fought toe to toe on fair ground against an enemy of equal strength.

The entire point of military strategy is using your sides "bullshit advantages" or exploiting other "bullshit advantages" to win. You think William the Conqueror told his men to dismount and ordered his archers to draw spears because it wouldn't be 'sporting' to defeat a side that had neither trained horsemen or archers at Hastings?

>relying on superior firepower
>or some bullshit advantage

>>17856258
Guarantee whatever OP is, he’d scoff at anyone who said the same about wars or battles his shithole country won half a millennia ago.

>>17856238 (OP)
>The vast majority of British war history is them relying on superior naval power or some bullshit advantage.

>>17856238 (OP)
>The vast majority of American war history is them relying on superior firepower or some bullshit advantage.
What the hell is a non-bullshit advantage?
>There's never been a time in history where America has fought toe to toe on fair ground against an enemy of equal strength.
Picking fights against nations stronger than you is stupid and by the mid-20th century America was stronger than almost every other nation so there was no one of equal strength to fight.

>>17856278
>What the hell is a non-bullshit advantage?
OP was that kid who got angry and said "nuh uh" after getting shot when you played with nerf guns as a kid.

>There's never been a time in history where America has fought toe to toe on fair ground against an enemy of equal strength.

because it doesn't exist

>>17856294
the american war machine truly is a miracle of nature. too bad its completely enslaved to jewry or it might have been of some use

>>17856296
>yeah it's impressive and all but they didn't suck some dead Austrians dick 80 years ago
It's an American world. Get over it shitskin.

>>17856258
>>17856264
>>17856272
>Me big smarty, me have big economy, send 10,000,000 big boom boom on enemy
>enemy throw pebble back, me make 10 movie about how war terrible

>>17856349
I've seen Bollywood movies about war, Rajesh. I wouldn't be yapping if I were you.

Americans don't have a loyalty to the government, they have loyalty to an idea. It's entirely utopian and retarded and that's that the US can be some sort of force for good and impose its will on other countries. The US was founded with the idea that in order to raise an army to go overseas you'd need to have people pissed off enough to fight it themselves. So having our military overseas at all is symbolically a big deal. The US being in a state of constant war preparedness since WWII with bases all over the globe is hilariously contradictory to what the US is supposed to be. That being said who wouldn't have respect for their own military?

Americans mock France for "surrendering without a fight" after a battle that cost them 90k dead in five weeks, and then proceed to cry endlessly about how horrific and traumatizing it was when America lost 52k dead over the course of 20 years in Vietnam...

>>17856258
No it’s not the entire point of strategy is that you overcome your enemies advantage without squandering your own.
America consistently fails to make good use of its advantages. It’s unbelievably wasteful and incompetent and totally unable to overcome being an underdog.
America has never won an underdog war nor have they ever won a war efficiently. They always had a too big to fail advantage which they squandered because their army is failed NFL coaches and failed NFL players.

>>17856278
>>17856280
Seething mutts.
America lost the war of 1812 to Britain. America tried to invade Canada four different times and lost every time.
America struggled against Germany in both world wars.
America lost to China in the Korean War.
America threw away Vietnam due to sheer militarily incompetence.
The Americans are not a warrior people.
>NOOO IN FROM ALABAMA MY ANCISTORS R FITING MENS
no they’re not. Anglo Saxons are a peace loving people who are at their best when living on a semi civilized frontier. They aren’t a warrior people. I’m sorry but you’re not warriors. Doesn’t mean you aren’t men. Doesn’t mean you aren’t masculine. But you aren’t a martial race.

>>17856310
>not wanting to be influenced by israel means you are a Nazi
HAHHAHAAHAHHAAHAHA SHALOM REBBE AHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17856350
Why are you watching Bollywood movies?

>>17856386
>America lost the war of 1812 to Britain.
And then a British army larger then all the American forces that invaded Canada combined was completely destroyed when they tried to counter invade the US. This is why the War of 1812 is considered a stalemate not a defeat.

>America struggled against Germany in both world wars.
You do know that the US and UK are the only two powers who had a 1 to1 K/D ratio with Nazi Germany right?

>America lost to China in the Korean War
See this one is funny because you can't reasonably argue that the US lost both the War of 1812 and the Korean War. It would have to be one or the other if your going with the idea that the aggressor nation loses if the conflicts ends in a stalemate. Also a million plus dead Chinese for 30k American is just fucking funny.

>America threw away Vietnam due to sheer militarily incompetence.
The US won every single battle it had with the Viet-Con, usually with massively lopsided casualties. The war was simply too unpopular with the American people to be winnable.

>The Americans are not a warrior people.
Far more then most and probably the most successful too.

>Anglo Saxons
Most White American are ethic Germans.

>>17856238 (OP)
What's hilarious is how quickly /pol/cucks went
loyal Israelbot -> DESTROY ALL KIKED ZOGBOTS -> loyal Israelbot again

Depending on if Trump or Dubya was in the White House or not

I've noticed that a lot of people act like war is supposed to operate like martial arts with various countries being divided up by "weight class" and can only fight countries within in the same "weight class"

>>17856310
I am American, I dont want my nation to waste all its power on making sure jews get what they want.

>>17856238 (OP)
>There's never been a time in history where America has fought toe to toe on fair ground
So because Americans are better at war, they're less honorable?

>>17856478
/pol/ has been pretty staunchly anti israel for years now. the only pro israel right winger left is ben shapiro, who is routinely ridiculed on /pol/

>>17856372
>Why are Americans upset over Americans dying and not Frenchmen

>>17856372
>Why are Americans sad over the dead Americans and not dead Frenchmen

>>17856519
That's because /pol/ is full of brown people.

>>17856541
>if you aren't pro Israel then you're not white
Does that actually work on anyone except the most retarded boomers?

>>17856238 (OP)
>fought toe to toe on fair ground against an enemy of equal strength.
War is not fair, never has been, and never will be. That isn't how the world works. You need to go back.

>>17856519
After Trump was reelected? Hahahahaha no.

>>17856457
UK and US both had a 1.4 and 1.3 ratio against Germany respectively according to the U.S. army war college analysis, this was with total air supremacy and endless ammunition with full motorization.
Americans suck at war. If they were good they’d have beaten Germany using their advantages. Instead they struggle for half a year across 12 year olds and wounded recoverees.

These people can’t fight.

>>17856238 (OP)
>There's never been a time in history where America has fought toe to toe on fair ground against an enemy of equal strength.

>>17857251
it's way easier to fight a defensive war

>>17856386
>America struggled against Germany in both world wars.

>>17856386
>America lost to China in the Korean War.

>>17856478
>/pol/ is synonymous with MAGA boomers
Your political illiteracy is why you lost.
>>17856586
But surely you can understand how good fortune in war conceals skill and ability yes?
And the squandering of Good Fortune is a sign of military weakness not of military strength.

>>17857437
And yet Germany dunked on France, Poland, the Low Countries, and the Yugroids and Greeks.
Germany demonstrated superiority without advantage while attacking and while defending.
>>17857493
>>17857502
Is the argument here that dead enemy soldiers mean absolute tactical superiority?
You’re coping because I am right.
Americans squander their advantages. If other countries like Germany or Russia had the advantages of the Americans to reach parity with the Americans they would defeat them militarily in a very one sided way.

>>17856294
All because of politician lies and all for corporate profits. Very sad, actually.

>>17856238 (OP)
Historically speaking, equal battles are actually quite rare. Someone always has more men, or a better weapon, favorable terrain, etc.

>>17856294
But was this more impressive than the German invasion of Denmark, a war that lasted less than six hours and saw zero German casualties?
This is an equivalent comparison for Germany taking into account relative strength.

>>17856386
>America lost the war of 1812 to Britain.
Indeed, America is lucky Britain was distracted by Napoleon or it could've been disastrous. But America was also a country less than 30 years old going up against the most powerful Empire the world had ever seen. America struggled in Canada but the British were repulsed in New York and New Orleans with significant casualties.
>America struggled against Germany in both world wars.
So did everyone else.

>America lost to China in the Korean War.
That is an interesting interpretation of the Korean war. Lots of people consider it a draw, but it was the North Koreans who really lost. They started the war and failed in every single objective they had for the conflict. South Korea remained free as the US wished, and China kept US forces off its border by retaining NK as a buffer.

>>17857650
Honestly, I think so. I'm incredibly old by 4chan standards and can remember as a child in the run up to the invasion they kept hyping up how Iraq had the 3rd largest army in the world at the time and 8 years of experience fighting Iran and it could turn into another Vietnam and the first 24 hours blew that myth out of the water.

>>17857502
>>17857493
>a dead soldier
Dude of course both sides are going to sustain casualties. Maybe if you posted fields of body's and statistics proving your point you'd have a point. But you posting individual casualties doesn't really prove a point.

>>17857679
was "they" the US media?
>>17857676
China had one objective in mind and that pushing the Americans out of their Korean buffer zone, which they managed to achieve using "human wave" tactics (infiltration, shock, schwerpunkt) while the Americans had tanks, artillery, and air support, they could not prevent the Chinese from accomplishing this goal. I would call it a strategic draw but undeniably a tactical loss for the United States.

>>17857702
The Chinese and NK also had artillery, tanks, and air support via the Soviets. Most of Korea isn't really viable for armored warfare anyways. Both sides accomplished their main goal. China got its buffer zone. America kept SK free.MacArthur was the idiot who tried to charge to the Chinese border and he paid the price for it by being sacked and any hope of a political career killed.

>>17857720
At the tactical level the US was dislodged by Chinese forces, despite the severe disadvantages the Chinese faced.

>>17857650
>But was this more impressive than the German invasion of Denmark, a war that lasted less than six hours and saw zero German casualties?

Yes. Iraq was considered the 4th strongest military at the time. USA had to travel thousands of miles invade them. Denmark is a small country next to Germany. Logistically it is a lot more impressive.

>>17857828
What fleet did Iraq have? What was the size of their airforce? Did they have long range interceptors?
You say 4th largest in the world.
In what? Manpower? Wars aren’t waged with men but with materiel. How many modern tanks were they producing? How many ballistic missiles?
Denmark had an airforce, armor, artillery, they did not differ significantly from Germany in tech level.
I would even say Germany had less of an advantage over Denmark than the U.S. had over Iraq.
The US also had the entire coalition backing them logistically.

>>17857859
Much larger than Denmark, and much further away.

>>17856238 (OP)
Modern war is gay

>>17857992
weren't soldiers in ancient times literally buttfucking each other to improve morale?

>>17857615
>France
Whose military had been underfunded since the end of WWI because the French government was broke AF and convinced that funding the military would just lead to a coup/civil war. Not an achievement for Germany.
>Poland
Poland had a badly behind the times military at that point, and they hadn't really recovered from the Polish-Soviet war shortly after Polands independence (technically speaking the war had been going for a year by the time the Polish government officially created an army), and the Germs still needed the Soviets to do half the work for them.
>the Low Countries, and the Yugroids and Greek
Literally who.jpg

The lesson to take away from WWII was that the Germans only did well when the enemy was in a position where it would have been all but impossible for Germany to lose. As soon as they were fighting even a 'near peer' force (like the Soviets after the failure of Barbarossa) they got the shit kicked out of them and pushed back everywhere.

>>17856238 (OP)
You know, you should be a little more grateful for the sacrifice that our American. Soldiers made in the fight against the enemy. Whether it's communism or whether it's liberalism or islamism or whatever the american soldier is, the epitome of manly sacrifice, something that you softies, do not understand. We need to make more pro military movies, not less. In fact, we need to make them less woke and less anti-American, none of this platoon whole metal jacket b*******. We actually need to make sure manly pro military movies again that glorifies the american soldier. Despite all the deep state, endless war, democracy promoting woke nonsense that was happening in the Middle East. I'm still pro military and i'm still pro.War just none of that faggy, democracy promotion shit. Just go in there fuck them shit up and go home and celebrate kicking ass. The problem with those woke Hollywood movies that came out in the post. Vietnam era as they were talking about fake things like mental illness and other stuff. We don't talk about that. There is no such thing as mental illness in the army.That is some weak softy, unmanly shit right there. You're there to kick ass and fight for your country, not talking about your mambi, pamby, feelings.

>>17858027
France was the preeminent military power of the world in 1939 lol.
You didn’t know this because you don’t know anything.
>Poland hadnt recovered
Their army was larger and more advanced, they had the first modern skyline in Europe, they had a very well developed citizen militia and armed forces, one of the strongest in Eastern Europe.
Before Germany smashed everyone, Poland was the major power of Eastern Europe, France the major power of the world. Poland‘s General staff literally believed they were going to hold Germany back for years. They fell in 35 days.
>literally who
Countries much closer to Germany in size and military technology than the Iraqis were to the U.S.
>all but impossible
The German General staff believed Poland would have defeated them if they waited a day longer.
The German General staff didn’t think they could take the French at all.
Germany’s proven superiority was a complete and total surprise to the every military analyst at the time whereas the U.S. vs Iraq was never in doubt.
>>17857901
>distance
The Americans have aircraft that can deploy anything anywhere in 16 hours.
Iraq is much closer to the US regarding time to deploy and reinforce.
It took days for the US to subdue Iraq.
Germany subdued Denmark in only 6 hours.
The US had an advantage in manpower, technology, positioning, intelligence, and logistics.
Germany’s only advantage was manpower.

The US army simply isn’t impressive. Iraqis had also lost to Iranian militias armed with pistols. Not exactly heavy weights.
The US doesn’t produce great generals or great soldiers.

Then the USA releases evil insulting shit propaganda 10 years later like Black Hawk Down or Miss Saigon showing their ch*ld murdering rapist soldiers as conflicted good guys who dindu nuffin

>>17858029
https://youtu.be/t9eybY9qFfY

>>17858029
you sacrificed nothing

you just killed innocent people halfway across the world just so judeoboomers in washington can add another billion to their portfolio

>>17858046
It's amazing to see the lies Hitlerboos will tell themselves to maintain their delusions. Do you think they know how retarded they look?

>>17858046
>The Americans have aircraft that can deploy anything anywhere in 16 hours.
>Iraq is much closer to the US regarding time to deploy and reinforce.
>The US had an advantage in manpower, technology, positioning, intelligence, and logistics.

All of these things are hard to build and set up. Everyone would be doing it if it were easy.

>It took days for the US to subdue Iraq.
>Germany subdued Denmark in only 6 hours.

Iraq is a much larger country. Hard to imagine right?