Why is Hitler remembered as a great leader?

>>17856897 (OP)
Because he caused Germany to get genocided by Slavic Bvlls

>>17856897 (OP)
He isn't, he's seen as pure evil by modern historians

Getting tired of all these low-effort bait threads

>>17856903
Name five historians and give examples of them saying Hitler is pure evil.

>>17856917

>>17856897 (OP)
Very stupid people often admire slightly less stupidier people.

>>17856953
Now if I were to post media where Stalin was labeled as evil, you forver lose the right to say history has a pro-leftist bias.

Germany if hitler never came to power. Im not sure about sudetenland but the rest would be in germany now.

>>17856953
"Hey ChatGPT, give me the covers of 5 history books hostile to Hitler"

>>17857040
>Austria and Danzig would be Germany without Hitler
Bait used to be believable

>>17856897 (OP)
>>17856903
>>17856917
>historian
Mostly their peak cope

>>17857552
I can imagine Danzig city being allowed back into Germany after Gdynia's port is developed under a different leader (who doesn't completely destroy diplomatic trust by seizing the rest of Czechoslovakia)
but there's no way in hell Germany gets the rest of the corridor without starting a major European war. Poland wouldn't stand for it, France would back Poland.

>>17856897 (OP)
He was shit but had an iconic look, to the point where I would argue hes a mascot like mickey mouse or something. The nazis had very cool styling with their uniforms, and regardless if it was true or false, the 6 gorillion gassed jews is also marketing genious as EVERYONE no matter how retarded they are will remember it. To his fans theres no way to argue that hes not based, and to his haters, theres no way to argue that hes not the ultimate evil. He also died before there was social media but was alive in time to have recordings and film footage.
The german language is one of the most badass sounding in a warfare context. I would argue no other leader has achieved this kind of mythical status that Hitler did. He also died young so we didn’t see him become some demented old cringelord forgotten by history.

>>17857040
France will lose North Africa possession and Corsica

>>17857591
>who doesn't completely destroy diplomatic trust by seizing the rest of Czechoslovakia
but no one did this and no one said there was a destruction of trust.
They continued to treat with Hitler over Poland which completely btfos the "there was some violation of sacred trust" narrative.
Furthermore, stop lying about Czechoslovakia.
Czechoslovakia didnt exist.
Hungary had invaded, Poland had invaded, Slovakia broke away, The Czech State had fallen into complete chaos and the British ambassador told the Czechs to go and speak with Hitler about their political situation, it was either Hitler or Stalin and Hacha chose Hitler.

>>17857643
>They continued to treat with Hitler over Poland
to buy time to build up their army, they didn't actually concede anything in said negotiations

>>17857690
>it was to buy time
Was Munich also about buying time because the time between Munich’s abrogation and The Polish-Danzig war was less than 8 months and British readiness did not meaningfully increase in that time.

>>17856953
>ian kershaw
the guy who sang "the riddle" wrote a book about hitler?

>>17856897 (OP)
>Why is Hitler remembered as a great leader?

>>17857838
Uh yeah it did lol.
British defence spending skyrocket during 1938 and 1939. So yeah the appeasement myth is a lie. Chamberlain was both stalling for time for British rearmament and to warm up the otherwise pacifist British public for confrontation, he achieved both. Obviously the guarantee to Poland was meant to primarily deter Germany from going further without triggering a major war, but if Germany does not stop then at least Britain would be ready.

They drew the line at Poland not because they particularly liked Poland, but because Germany was snowballing hard with every conquest, especially when they took the Czech state which increased Wehrmacht armament by nearly double (and gave them the superior panzer 38t). The real scare was that Germany would go for Romania and Netherlands next which would be a mortal threat to Britain. In 1939 Britain kinda panicked over the rapid axis annexations (Czechia and Albania), and gave military assurances to virtually every country that bordered Germany and Italy (including to Greece and Netherlands), not just Poland. Everything was happening very fast which left decisionmakers little time to stop and analyze the situation. Chamberlain was under a lot of pressure from the parlament to act after german troops entered Prague. He resisted as first but ultimately relented when the war scare grew.

>>17857643
Give up moron. No one buys this shit.
Britain was outraged when wehrmach troops entered Prague because it was a breach of trust. Hitler said he only wanted Sudetenland and then took more. Britain had literally sold the Czechs out on that premise. Had Britain not signed the Munich agreement then the Czechs were in a much better position to resist a German invasion (their defences were top quality), and with help from several other states such as Little-entete and France.
Hungary was sanctioned by Hitler to invade Slovakia. If Hitler truly wanted to avoid this he could simply have told them no.
Basil Newton never said Hacha should sign away his country to Hitler. Did Britain force Poland to sign away their country when they gave guarantees?

It's just absurd that someone should just sign away their entire country in a couple of hours of being presented the documents for the first time. No rational person in the world is going to buy your version because its beyond irrational. The order for wehrmacht to enter Prague was aleo given before Hacha even arrived, which is why he was pressed hard to sign the papers there and then instead of consulting with the Czech parlament.

And the first thing Germany did was confiscate the Czech gold reserve to Germany, nationalize their entire industry to Germany, absorb their entire armament into the wehrmacht, close the parlament and universities, and set up a German office that ruled over any and all Czech administration.
Czechia become a 'protectorate' which is just another word for colony, as most British and French colonies were labeled protectorates.

This is what happened. Sorry.

>>17857900
He right tho, schizoid

>>17857900
>breach of trust
Source?

>>17857865
>British defense spending skyrocketed
So Munich was done in bad faith after threatening Germany and Czechoslovakia to force them into Munich?
This just makes it look like the British never trusted anyone and therefore never entreated with Hitler in good faith even as Hitler treated them in good faith.
>Germany was snowballing
so what?
>rapid annexations
Bohemia and Moravia werent annexed.
>war scare
why not just like not declare war on Germany?
>>17857900
There's nothing to buy, I am right.
>Britain was outraged
There is no evidence of this.
Speeches are not evidence, as you yourself have stated.
>said he only wanted Sudete
He never said this.
>took more
He actually didnt take more.
You continually pretend Hacha asking for entry into the Reich was somehow masterminded by Hitler despite it being the British who told Hacha to go to Hitler in the first place.
>had Britain not signed
Britain threatened both Benes and Hitler over it.
>Basil Newton never said Hacha should sign away his country
Basil Newton literally told Hacha to go to Hitler, if the British didnt want Hacha and Hitler to conduct diplomacy with each other they should have said something when Hacha approached them.
>No rational person
If they were being invaded and facing a secession they would.
>Czech gold
no such thing, that was Austrian and German gold which the British gave to the Czechs as a way of punishing them for WWI, the Bohemia, Moravia, and Slovakia were never wealthy on their own within Austria-Hungary.
>nationalize their industry
Same as above, it was German and Austrian investment that built """""Czech""""" industry.
Skoda would have gone out of business if not for Austrian and German investment during WWI.
>ruled over any and all
nope, they still brokered trade deals independent of Germany.
>just another word for colony
nope, it means a protectorate.

>>17858208
>There is no evidence of this.
We actually do have evidence that Britain was outraged at Germany taking the Czech state.
We have newspapers, parlament debates and opinion polls that proves that Britain was outraged over it.
Every historian is also in consensus that Britain was outraged over the Czech state being seized by the wehrmacht on March 15, probably by studying countless of letters etc.

It is you who simply decided to say that thry weren't, because it fits your narrative that jews were behind the antagonism against further German expansion, and not because of Hitlers own diplomatic incompetence, tho not everything should be blamed on Hitler. He complete trusted Ribbentrop, whom turned out to be an even greater incompetent fuckup.

>>17858208
>He never said this
Yes he did. The entire Munich agreement was under the premise that Germany only wanted Sudetenland, otherwise Britain and France would never have signed it

>You continually pretend Hacha asking for entry into the Reich was somehow masterminded by Hitler despite it being the British who told Hacha to go to Hitler in the first place
Because it was masterminded by Hitler. Do you have any idea how much it increased German economic and military strength to take Czechia? It was one of the most industrialized parts of the continent, had one if the world's largest and best quality armaments factories, the confiscation of it's gold reserve made it possible for Germany to continue the 4-year plan (which Hitler was forced to pause in 1938 because if the insane budget deficits). Wehrmacht firepower grew by like 40% from the Czech armament including the powerful Panzer 38t and an armada of Czech trucks.
All of this was ripe for the taking as Czechia was virtually undefended after Munich

>Basil Newton literally told Hacha to go to Hitler, if the British didnt want Hacha and Hitler to conduct diplomacy with each other they should have said something when Hacha approached them
Conducting diplomacy does not automatically mean sign off your country that very night. You literally have no argument on this and just scraping the barrel for assumptions and then try to paint them as truths.
Did Britain take control of Poland when they gave a guarantee? No. And neither was Hitler obligated to do so

Doesn't matter how you frame it. Taking Czechia was the dumbest move because it pissed everyone off and put everyone on high alert over Germanys real intentions vs their stated "limited" goals. Czechia was neither German majority nor had been ripped from Germany in Versailles, it was simply a landgrab. Germany should have laid low after Czechia, and not make more territorial demands immediately after. That's how ww2 happened. Compete diplomatic incompetence

>>17856953
Half of these retards aren't even historians. They're just pop his writers who filter actual sources through their own bias. You were better off just not posting.

>>17858391
Yep I noticed that too. Retards can't seperate historians from writers. It seems like a complete mental gymnastic.
And some people believes you just automatically become a historian because you read and write history (i.e the works of others).
It's like saying you're automatically become a certified doctor or a lawyer because you read a book.

>>17858232
>we have evidence
We dont.
>newspapers
This is not evidence, this is called manufactured consensus, we see the exact same thing done today where media will spread an opinion no one actually holds.
>parliament debates
really? between whom?
post the debate.
Which again we also see today debating opinions no one actually holds.
>opinion polls
The same as today, manufacturing consensus.
It is on (You) to prove that 1938 and 1939 was NOT identical to what we see today, otherwise we must assume that if it fits the profile of manufactured consensus, then it is manufactured consensus.
Furthermore, this isnt a recent phenomena the Peel Commission saw under oath officials of the British state admit to doing this over the Mandate inquiries and public dissatisfaction with the handling of the Arab-jewish conflict.

>every historian
completely irrelevant history is not a popularity contest.
>seized by the Wehrmacht
You say this but there was no seizing, the Czechs invited the Germans in and made no effort to resist.
Did Britain "seize" Greece in 1940 with their expeditionary force?
no, yet they played the same function as Germany did in Bohemia.
>the jews were behind antagonism
Even if everything you say is 100% true, this does not remove the fact there was an active jewish lobby in Britian pushing for war with Germany.
>expansion
Expanding into their own land?
>diplomatic incompetence
Diplomatic incompetence looks like saying "Britain has no further business with Czechoslovakia" "WAIT NO WTF YOU CANT JUST MAKE A DEAL WITH GERMANY"
Thats either malice or incompetence.
Did Britain ever make it clear the conference between Hitler and Hacha was bad? I mean before it happened?
No, they didn't. Why? If Britain was so outraged, how come no one saw it coming?
This points to it being manufactured which is malice or the British were just grade A retards.
>Ribbentrop le bad
He did infact scause the British defeat in the Cold War, the only flaw being it happened too late.

>>17858280
>yes he did
No he didnt.
>under the premise Germany only wanted Sudete
And where is that written? Where in Munich is this written? Post the line.
>masterminded by Hitler
>Basil Newton was an agent of Hitler
>British standing policy was an agent of Hitler
>Hacha was an agent of Hitler
Surely you have the documentation for this yes?
>How much it increased German economic strength
The entire Austro-Hungarian Gold Reserve they reclaimed from Bohemia was a grand total of 0.2% of Germany's GDP.
>Czech industry
But it wasnt Czech, it was German and Austrian.
>Wehrmacht firepower grew by 40%
source?
>virtually undefended
And yet the actual invasions came from Poland in the North, Hungary in the South, and Slovak secession in the East while Germany was the only country not to use violence against the Czech State, which Britain was evidently outraged over for some reason while ignoring the others.
>sign off your country
as opposed to what? not asking for protection from Germany?
Hacha wasnt left with many options and Britain gave him no way out. It was either The Wehrmacht or the Red Army, its absurd to think the British were so diplomatically inept as to not see the obvious outcome of Hacha beset by three hostile nations on three different sides two of them being in active conflict.
>did Britain take control of Poland
They took control of Iceland and Greece. Heavy handed diplomacy to achieve self serving interests is clearly not some grand violation as the British themselves did it.
>taking Czechia
it wasnt taken.
>it pissed everyone off
Who?
Britian and France? The British were only upset because they didnt expect Hacha to actually go to Hitler and seek protection under any circumstances.
They thought Bohemia would remain a thorn in Germany's side, they were mad their Frankensteining at Versailles had failed.
That was the sole cause of them being pissed off.
>Germany's real intentions
Their real intentions were ALWAYS restoration.

>>17856897 (OP)
He's not

>>17858280
>Was neither German majority
It was a former holding of Austria.
>nor had it been ripped from Germany
Austria, the country that voted to join Germany, had Czechoslovakia ripped from them.
Hungary too.
ALL of Austria's gold reserves were stored in Bohemia, ALL of Austrian and a substantial amount of German investment in Bohemian industry was taken from them.
It would be like if someone defeated the United States then gave Texas and California "back" to Mexico and then cried bloody murder when the Americans shrewdly reclaimed their two gold and oil rich states through diplomacy.
Czechoslovakia was created as a form of punishment, a yoke around the neck of Austria and Germany this undeniably colors how they saw and handled the Czech question. The fact you ignore this is nothing less than whitewashing.

This is sykes-picot tier geographic revisionism "oh uh every oil field in West Asia perfectly matches up with the original tribal homeland of this group loyal to the British xddddd what good fortune teeheee xddd :))))"
>a landgrab
by who? Hacha?
Hacha could have just not gone to Berlin.
>not make more territorial demands
THEY DIDNT.
DANZIG WASNT NEW
MEMEL WASNT NEW
These were very old claims that had been in the works since Weimar.
>thats how WW2 happened
No, WW2 happened because the British government was being lobbied by a foreign interest group - organized jewry.

>>17856897 (OP)
I know this is just a parody of that other thread but the difference is that youre expected to lose land and prestige when you lose but youre supposed to gain land and prestige when you win
Yes Hitler and Germany lost and the UK won, but for fucking what? They lost land and power

Napoleon is also considered a great man and he lost in the end

>>17859060
2 million German women got mass raped by Soviet Buryat Mongols in East Germany and Eastern Austria.

Moroccan Goumier soldiers mass raped German women in West Germany and Western Austria.

They still have children called Marrakonerkinder in Voralberg Austria, descended from Moroccan soldiers and Austrian women.

2 million Germans were killed and ethnically cleansed from east Europe and eastern Prussia.

Did Napoleon lead to the same happening to his people? Did Corsica get raped or something?

>>17859060
2 million German women got mass raped by Soviet Buryat Mongols in East Germany and Eastern Austria.

Moroccan Goumier soldiers in the French army mass raped German women in West Germany and Western Austria.

They still have children called Marrakonerkinder in Voralberg Austria, descended from Moroccan soldiers and Austrian women.

2 million Germans were killed and ethnically cleansed from east Europe and eastern Prussia.

Did Napoleon lead to the same happening to his people? Did Corsica get raped or something?

>>17859044
>It was a former holding of Austria.

Germanic peoples were former holdings of Attila the Hun.

Huns, Avars, Mongols (Golden Horde and Crimean Khanate) all ruled or raided and raped in Austria and Hungary.

>>17859060
Hitler failed at his biggest goals, of exterminating Jews and Gypsies.

Jews and Gypsies still live in Europe today, Jews still control international media.

And now Germany has millions of Moroccans, Kurds, Turks, Blacks. Now Pajeets are on their way (the OG Gypsies).

Hitler did not only NOT accomplish his goals, he made everything worse for Germans and dug them into even deeper shit.

>>17856897 (OP)
>Why is Hitler remembered as a great leader?
You could say that his goals resonated with a core audience.

>>17856897 (OP)
is he? lol

literally every hitler thread
>AYO HITLER DINDU NUFFIN
>THOSE COUNTRIES WERE ASKING FOR IT
>(gets basic historical facts completely wrong)
There's no point in debating teenagers going through an edgy phase and third worlders who want to be white. Lil zoom's 14 year old brain isn't developed enough to understand anything and the turd worlder has a lower than room temperature IQ. All of these threads are completely pointless.

>>17856897 (OP)
bc he had aura mein nigga

>>17859181
his primary goal was Lebensraum and extermination of Slavs

>>17857040
nah
>Posen
>corridor
>sudetland
>i would even doubt about austria
maybe Danzing, I mean for sure it would be german, with some chances of it being in germany
>>17857552
austria probably not, it was taken only because germs killed austrian fascist president
danzing probably could join germany around 40-41 when poles finished their own port in gdynia, they would gladly get rid themselves of this problem although league of nation might not agree to that

>>17856897 (OP)
>Why is Hitler remembered as a great leader?
he is behind creation of Israel and give Jews free from the jail card
also killed countless slavs and germs and destroyed fundamentals of European colonial empires
truly a Jewish Messiahs

Seriously though, I cant think of a more incompetent leader of men

Hitlers entire shtick was basically completely ignoring hundreds of years of diplomatic and geopolitical development and the changes to war brought on by industrial tech and pretending he was rome conquering barbarians with swords and spears only to instantly get over his head attacking people and get his entire nation obliterated

I literally, LITERALLY cannot think of a leader of men who was this delusional and incompetent to such a catastrophic degree for his people


>hmm great power politics have developed to the point of powder keg europe and every aggressive move you make in the continent not only drags their allies and guarantees onto the fight, but any war that threatens the balance of power will inevitably drag EVERYONE in looking to protect their interests
>not only that but the advent of industrial warfare and total war means war entails ABSOLUTE DESTEUCTION of EVERYTHING, infrastructure, land, populations both on and off the battle field anyway
>anyway let me tell you about how the only way to save germany from da joos is to become a super power and conquer more soil in europe specifically from our neighbors by the sword.
>AACK how could this happen!