A new study about the Tocharians - /his/ (#17857784) [Archived: 385 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/20/2025, 5:12:58 PM No.17857784
Tocharians Tarim Basin
Tocharians Tarim Basin
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A 2021 study ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04052-7 ) found that the earliest inhabitants of the Tarim Basin (dated Early to Middle Bronze Age, 2100 to 1700 BC, and pictured above) were not Indo-European Tocharians, but a population descended from Ancient North Eurasians. Such populations were common across Central Asia and West Siberia from the Mesolithic to Bronze Age (e.g. the Botai).

The newly published study ( https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(25)00815-2 ) investigated a Late Bronze Age site in the far west of the Tarim Basin, dated 1600 to 1400 BC. Its inhabitants overwhelmingly descended from the Indo-European Sintashta population, with additional ancestry from BMAC (10%) and Tarim_EMBA (12%). In terms of genetic similarity, they were most closely related to modern Northern Europeans, particularly Finnic and Russian people.

Admixture between Sintashta and Tarim_EMBA dated to around 2000 BC, indicating Indo-European settlement began during the Early to Middle Bronze Age.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 8:52:36 PM No.17858214
>>17857784 (OP)
>Ancient North Eurasians
How different are they from other people, who populated Europe, like WHG, CHG, ANF, Yamnaya, etc.?
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 8:57:28 PM No.17858227
>>17857784 (OP)
>The newly published study ( https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(25)00815-2 ) investigated a Late Bronze Age site in the far west of the Tarim Basin, dated 1600 to 1400 BC. Its inhabitants overwhelmingly descended from the Indo-European Sintashta population, with additional ancestry from BMAC (10%) and Tarim_EMBA (12%).

This population wasn't Tocharian either.

They were Iranic, Sintashta were ancestral to Iranic peoples.

The western Tarim Basin was inhabited by Eastern Iranic Sakas (Khotanese, Tumshuqese) in Khotan Tumshuq and Kashgar.

Tocharians lived in the eastern Tarim Basin and Turfan Basin and were descended from Afanasievo.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 9:01:46 PM No.17858238
>>17857784 (OP)
>>17858227
Also Tashkurgan is still inhabited by Iranic Pamiri MountainTajiks.

Tocharians were not Iranic. They were their own branch of Indo-European and spoke a centum language unlike Iranic and Slavic satem languages
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 9:17:08 PM No.17858288
>>17857784 (OP)
Why did Indo-Europeans commit a genocide of ANE derived peoples in Central Asia?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 10:34:04 PM No.17858570
>>17858288
Why do you think they did it? Could've been the turks or mongols?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 11:07:24 PM No.17858675
>>17858288
They were most probably just submerged in an ocean of Turks and Mongols.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 11:18:11 PM No.17858701
>>17858288
Corded Ware farmoids hated their Yamnaya fathers, as well as all other ANE-rich peoples.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 11:27:16 PM No.17858733
>>17858675
Proabably. Sometimes you get over run. Imagine looking at demographics of the american southwest in 1960 vs today. You might very thought mexicans dominated whited but really, so many of them came they turned whites into minorities in 1 lifetime. The same thing could've easily happened in central asia between indo euroeans, the pre indo europeans of the area and turks and mongols. Although obviously the Mongol invasion were much more violent.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 11:35:26 PM No.17858756
>>17858288
>>17858675
>>17858701

We will probably never know, the steppe was a massive corridor of mixed genetics
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:51:11 AM No.17858949
>>17858227
Turpan basin.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 1:31:54 AM No.17859043
>>17858570
>>17858675
>>17858733
>>17858756
Low IQ.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 1:39:53 AM No.17859070
>>17858288
The Indo Europeans were notorious for producing Roving bands of violent incels, these heroic BVLLs would wander the steppe looking for a fight. They found remnant ANE who's men were colossal in stature and who's foids were big bunda big booba and had extremely refined facial features and very likely blonde hair.
They got to kill giants like their mythological heroes and then marry the most beautiful women on the planet as a prize.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 1:40:55 AM No.17859073
>>17858701
Corded Ware was higher proto-steppe than Yamnaya and they had different paternal DNA.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:00:54 AM No.17859102
>>17859073
Yamnaya had higher ANE ancestry. Corded Ware had higher EEF ancestry.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:03:49 AM No.17859109
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>>17857784 (OP)
>the Tarim Basin
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:31:32 AM No.17859157
>>17859109
1. The Qin emperor's tomb is in Shaanxi and nowhere near the Tarim Basin dumbass.

The people in your picture are Tajik Pamiris from Tashkurgan and Tatar immigrants to Xinjiang, none of whom live near or in Shaanxi.

Since it hasn't been excavated how do you know what's in it?

2. Shangdi and Qin Shi Huang are two different peoples, Shangdi is the god of the Shang dynasty which preceded Qin Shi Huang by 1,400 years.

Shang dynasty tombs and Zhou dynasty noble and royal tombs were excavated, none of them have Indo-European Y DNA. They are all haplogroups O3 and Q1a1.

They all precede th Qin dynasty.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:38:01 AM No.17859175
>>17859109
>>17859157
Also although the edited map in your picture sneakily coloured Gansu and northeast Qinghai as green (neither of them are part of Xinjiang and the Tarim Basin), the idiot who made it still failed to colour Shaanxi as green, where the Qin emperor actually lived.

None of the people in your picture are from Gansu or Qinghai either. They are Tajik Pamiris in Tashkurgan and Volga Tatars who moved to Xinjiang from Russia in the 19th-20th centuries.

The dress the two kids on the bottom right wear is Volga Tatar clothing from Tatarstan in Russia, Uyghurs and Tajiks don't wear that shit
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:35:19 AM No.17859426
>>17859157
>Shang dynasty tombs and Zhou dynasty noble and royal tombs were excavated, none of them have Indo-European Y DNA. They are all haplogroups O3 and Q1a1.
Lying retard. The elite was entirely Q1a1. The slaves were O3, but there were no Q1a1 slaves.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:59:11 AM No.17859477
>>17859426
>Q
Hyperborean bvlls
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:59:53 AM No.17859478
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This is more or less what they looked like.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:00:59 AM No.17859482
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>>17859478
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:07:45 AM No.17859499
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>>17859482
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:45:43 AM No.17859704
>>17859426
>>17859477
Liar, there were O3 nobles at the Hengshan site.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:47:07 AM No.17860011
>>17859704
And the other sites where O3 were 100% slaves? Q1a1 were clearly in charge of society as the slaves were O3, not Q1a1
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 1:25:24 PM No.17860140
>>17860011
Name the sites retard.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:16:15 PM No.17860415
Sino-Scythian Israel Is Real
Sino-Scythian Israel Is Real
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>>17859157
>>17859426
>>17859477
>>17859478
>>17859482
>>17859499
>>17860011
>>17860140
Omri the "First Israelite" was Cimmerian.
World history is solved.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 5:57:51 PM No.17860604
>>17859157
Well Q is not chinese but turkic/native american
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:54:09 PM No.17861140
>>17860415
>>17860604
If Q is Turkic then O is Han Chinese dumbass, and tons of Turkic people have haplogroup O (Kazakhs, Turkmen, Ameristar, Crimean Tatars)

Papuans have Q1a1, are they Turks and Cimmerians retard?

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/Q1a1/
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:59:54 PM No.17861163
>>17860415
Your screenshot says it originated 15,400 years ago in Asia or South Siberia, there were no Turkic or Indo-Europeans back them dumbass.