Why is Uncle Joe often portrayed as being outplayed and outsmarted by Hitler in 1941, but you never hear the Americans being referred to as being outplayed or outsmarted by the Japanese for not seeing Peal Harbor coming?
Both instances the attacked country didn't see it coming despite numerous warnings.

>>17860261 (OP)
Nobody gives a shit about the pacific campaign besides Americans

>>17860261 (OP)
I don't think anyone says Stalin was outplayed by Hitler moreso that he was just completely fucked over by him.

>>17860265
Something tells me that the Japanese care quite a bit about the war in the Pacific my retarded brown friend

>>17860261 (OP)
Because Joe was genuinely surprised while Pearl Harbor was a 9/11.

>>17860261 (OP)
Because the U.S., specifically FDR, wanted a Japanese attack to happen. He was looking for an excuse to enter the war.

>>17860261 (OP)
>but you never hear the Americans being referred to as being outplayed or outsmarted by the Japanese for not seeing Peal Harbor coming?
Basically what >>17860281 and >>17860318 said.
The only potential excuse for FDR is that he was expecting the Japs to attack only the Philippines and leave Hawaii alone.
There's no doubt that he was expecting the cornered country to bite her way into (temporary) freedom

>>17860276
They just pretend it never happened

>>17860261 (OP)
>Uncle Joe often portrayed as being outplayed and outsmarted by Hitler in 1941
Adolf had send him a private letter weeks before the invasion:
>I know that those German divisions at your border may seem suspicious to you but I swear on my honor that they are there only to hide from those capitalist British that I prepare my invasion against them. Some German generals don't like my plans (as they are secretly anglophiles) and they may start some provocation attacks against you - please do not react to them - I will immediately release any insubordinate stuff if need be!!! With proletariat greetings - your Adolf
that's what you get if you mistake a worm with a human I guess.

>>17860261 (OP)
Because we didnt lose 20 million people after Pearl homie
Get better at the game

He didn’t get outsmarted he was told many times from many sources about the invasion, he chose not to act on it as to gain allies like the US which was crucial with lend lease, without a perceived threat of Germany domination in the east why would the US or UK support a communist gov, it’s even possible the US supports the nazis if the ussr was able to have a strong early resistance, as communism was seen as a bigger threat

>>17861147
>it’s even possible the US supports the nazis if the ussr was able to have a strong early resistance, as communism was seen as a bigger threat
Communism WAS a bigger threat, but FDR ensured that the country would not recognise it as such

Pearl Harbor was nothing close to the first year on the eastern front

>>17861147
>he chose not to act on it as to gain allies like the US which was crucial with lend lease
this is such cope

>>17860265
That's objectively untrue lmao. Way more people worldwide care about the Pacific War (which btw, is an oxymoron since Pacific literally means peaceful) than the Eastern Front of the European theatre. Which is a shame, because the Ostfront was kino, but it's definitely not as well known. There's more people in Eastern China alone than in Eastern Europe

>>17860483
The American colony of the Philippines had more than 20 million

>>17860480
>Poland lost to a worm in 35 days
LOL imagine going down like a bitch and then held down and raped repeatedly by the Axis and the Soviets.
>b-but the Soviets raped others too
The Soviets raped the ENTIRETY of Poland.
The Germans raped the ENTIRETY of Poland.
Poland is a literal golem of Germans and Russians seeding whatever Wendish girls were unlucky enough to be born under that silly rag of half surrender half blood.

>>17860261 (OP)
Because he was LITERALLY SUPPLYING Nazi Germany when the Western chads embargoed them. He sold Germany the tools they used to attack him like a greedy retard.

>>17860281
reminds me of that historical tragedy

>>17860281
>>17860318
>>17860362
Would recommend you all read pic related. FDR did intend to join the war in Europe. But by 1941, he was trying to avoid a confrontation in the Pacific. His suggestion after Indochina was occupied by the Japanese was to see if he could come to an agreement with Japan to regard it as a "neutral country like Switzerland."

In the summer leading up Pearl Harbor, the Japanese refused to come to any diplomatic agreement with the US that ruled out hostilities. They chose to remain in the Tripartite Pact. Even after Barbarossa beginning two months after they signed a neutrality pact with the USSR gave them the easiest out imaginable. Nonetheless, US diplomats tried to come to an agreement that that would prevent war with Japan.

Japan's leadership didn't want war either at this time. Yet they were willing to sacrifice absolutely nothing to actually achieve it. Yamamoto thought war was a bad idea, but still went ahead drafting war plans anyway.

It was in this environment that the Hull Note was written. Despite the terms being highly conciliatory, it's remembered as a declaration of war by Japanese nationalists on account of it calling for a withdrawal from China and recognition of the ROC's government. (Herbert Bix suggests that the biggest sticking point was that Hull didn't distinguish between Manchukuo and China.)

After the Hull Note was sent on November 26, there was radio silence from Japan. In the time between then and December 7, the US knew war with Japan would arrive at some point.

It wasn't a righteous struggle against colonialism, withholding of oil, or a Chinese charm offensive that provoked the Pacific War. The blame lays at the feet of the incompetent Imperial leadership. Those who knew a total war with the Allies would be unwinnable, but chose to gamble anyway.

>>17860265
>t. retarded yuropoor

>>17861743
Hitler was rejected by his niece he groomed since childhood.
>muh rape
I wouldn't mention this if I was an Aryan germanophile kek.

>>17861438
You call it cope but it’s the only way he could come out with the outcome of winning ww2 and controlling most of Europe in the aftermath, prior to ww2 soviets had no allies and were deemed a major threat by all major powers, almost every ww2 scenario outside the way it actually transpired probably has soviets being ganged up on and crushed by capitalist powers, only scenario where stalin could have won is Germany to look very successful in its attack forcing the US to join in aid of the Soviets due to balance of power reasons, if the soviets did too well early on, lend lease would have never happened

>>17862171
>It was in this environment that the Hull Note was written. Despite the terms being highly conciliatory, it's remembered as a declaration of war by Japanese nationalists on account of it calling for a withdrawal from China and recognition of the ROC's government. (Herbert Bix suggests that the biggest sticking point was that Hull didn't distinguish between Manchukuo and China.)

So you're trying to convince me that
1) A high-ranking diplomat in charge of settling disputes in East Asia had a detrimentally poor grasp of the region's political geography, and
2) It was no big deal to ask Japan to give up everything they had seized from 1937 to 1941, after the colossal expenditure of human, financial and material capital?

Whitebois don't want to give chorni man any credit.

>>17861743
This is what no sex does to a mf.

>>17862585
It's more likely that Protestant extremist influences in the US government wanted the Japanese out of their turf.

>>17860261 (OP)
>Why is Uncle Joe
Why are commie scum constantly copying NS rhetoric? Be original, you subversive jews.

>>17862717
"Uncle Joe" as a moniker was nicknamed by FDR.
Funny thing is that Stalin didn't like being addressed that way by Westerners

>>17862585
>1) A high-ranking diplomat in charge of settling disputes in East Asia had a detrimentally poor grasp of the region's political geography
See pic related. Also, they declared war instead of asking Hull to clarify because they set December as an arbitrary deadline for Pearl Harbor.
>2) It was no big deal to ask Japan to give up everything they had seized from 1937 to 1941, after the colossal expenditure of human, financial and material capital?
Worth mentioning that all those expenditures were wasted on something that wasn't even formally-declared war (the early name used in Imperial meetings was, no joke, "peace operations.") Japan refused to negotiate with the Chiang Kai-shek government, and generals on the ground in China opposed the Pacific War. But God forbid Japan's military brass had to own up to their mistakes.

>>17861743
>brings up poles and rape out of nowhere
Are teutoniggers really this buck broken?

>>17862717
>>17862741
It's literally a pun (a shit one) on Uncle Sam. Why would someone think the Nazis came up with that?

The USSR suffered massive early defeats—millions of troops were killed or captured, and large swaths of territory were lost. The cost of Stalin’s misjudgment was staggering.

>>17864688
He didn’t care because he knew the USSR would defeat Germany eventually, especially since U.S. entry into the war was inevitable. The lives of his own people didn’t matter, he only cared for his own power. He viewed those millions of casualties as a statistics.

>>17864701
He cared deeply because his plan of taking over Western Europe ended in '41
>He took over half of it anyway
see pic related.
And he took over that DESPITE the losses in the early stages of the war. Imagine if a full strength USSR was unleashed on an unsuspecting German, who's army was still largely in the West after a long, drawn out war against France.
French cowardice unironically saved the world.

>>17860265
With hindsight, didnt really matter who won Europe 2bhonest. If you had Nazi empire instead of Red, Europe would STILL have become irrelevant 60 years later. Pacific shaped the world more.

>>17860265
>the only people who give a shit about the Pacific are people who fought in it
Are you retarded

>>17864751
>Nazi-led Europe would be economically and militarily irrelevant
Not. A. Single. Chance.
It would have been roughly as powerful as the US