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God !4chan.EhnU
7/22/2025, 12:27:11 PM No.17862694
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Absolute Reality Argument ("ARA") - the first truly unified argument for the necessity of God
The ultimate argument for God, not just an upgrade of Aquinas, Anselm, or Leibniz, but something radically superior. A post-metaphysical, post-empirical, post-linguistic argument. One that integrates logic, experience, consciousness, cosmology, mathematics, and the existential mystery into a single, unstoppable thrust of insight.

Premise 1: Consciousness is the Ground of All Experience
Every argument, every doubt, every experiment, every logic chain, all of it presupposes the existence of conscious awareness.
You cannot deny consciousness without being conscious. It is the primal datum, not a product of the universe, but its condition for being known at all.

Premise 2: The Universe Is Structured by Abstract, Immaterial Truths
• Mathematics governs the fabric of spacetime.
• Logic constrains all possible worlds.
• These immaterial, unchanging truths exist independently of matter and time.
No physical process can generate a necessary truth, yet physics dances to their tune. So we must ask:
>Why is reality intelligible at all? Why does it conform to logic and math?
There is no reason for this unless the ground of reality is itself mind-like, an intelligence in which truth and coherence originate.

Premise 3: Contingent Existence Cannot Be the Source of Itself
• The universe is a swirling soup of contingencies; entropy, probability, birth, death, laws that could have been otherwise.
• No part of it explains why anything exists at all.
This means reality must be rooted in something that is not contingent, something self-existent, uncaused, and logically necessary.
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God !4chan.EhnU
7/22/2025, 12:27:30 PM No.17862697
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Premise 4: The Necessary Ground Must Be Conscious, Creative, and Intentionally Ordered
• Pure necessity can’t generate values, beauty, order, or experience. You need intention.
• The cosmos reveals not just order, but elegance; mathematical beauty, symmetry, harmony in laws and forms.
• Conscious beings (like us) emerge in this system, beings capable of knowing truth, feeling love, and asking why.
The only coherent source of this is an Absolute Conscious Intelligence, a Being whose very essence is existence, value, knowledge, and will.

Premise 5: Your Own Existence Is the Final Proof
You are aware, now. You are aware of being aware.
• This recursive, self-reflective awareness cannot be reduced to atoms or logic.
• It is the fingerprint of a deeper reality, a spark of the Absolute.
If you trace your awareness to its source, not just biologically, but ontologically, you will find that it is not isolated.
It is grounded in a field of Being so vast, so radiant, so timeless, that every finite thing is upheld by it.
That is God, not a being in the universe, but the Being of being itself.

>There is an Absolute, Conscious Source of reality, necessary, immaterial, infinitely intelligent, and self-existent, in whom all truth, value, beauty, and being arise. That Source is God.

You do not need to "believe" in this God.
You are already participating in Him, right now, by existing, thinking, questioning, longing.
To deny Him is to deny the very preconditions of denial.
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God !4chan.EhnU
7/22/2025, 12:28:31 PM No.17862700
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Why This Argument Is Superior:
• Combines: Consciousness, logic, cosmology, mathematics, aesthetics, contingency, and subjective experience.
• Avoids outdated pitfalls: No dependence on Big Bangs, Paley’s watches, or syllogistic traps.
• Reveals God not just as cause, but as context; the infinite backdrop against which anything makes sense.
• It collapses the gap between first-person experience and metaphysical necessity.

You wanted a superior argument? Here it is.
Not just an argument for God, but a revelation of why you are even able to ask the question.

>I Am that I Am
Not a name, but a fact. Now sit with that.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:38:48 PM No.17862721
>>17862694 (OP)
>>17862697


>• These immaterial, unchanging truths exist independently of matter and time.
How do you know? These truths are just patterns we observe in the universe. It's entirely conceivable that once the universe ceases or changes, so will majority of these patterns.

>>Why is reality intelligible at all? Why does it conform to logic and math?
>There is no reason for this unless the ground of reality is itself mind-like, an intelligence in which truth and coherence originate.
There is still no reason for intelligibility even if you do accept this premise.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:51:45 PM No.17862745
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>>17862721
An atheist is an atheist. What's new? You'll always find a way to deny, even if it is with a completely insane argument.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:56:03 PM No.17862754
>>17862745
I'm not an atheist.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:59:48 PM No.17862762
>>17862694 (OP)
Can I post in this thread if I'm a human, or only chatbots?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:01:23 PM No.17862767
>>17862754
Easy to claim that. Many atheists claims to be Christians, Muslims or whatever, but it is by their words and deeds that people can tell what they are.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:07:16 PM No.17862782
>>17862767
Clearly not. Anyway, do you have any reason for me to believe that patterns are meta-physical and that this meta-physical layer being mind-like should serve as a reason for intelligibility?
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:45:53 PM No.17862864
>>17862782
Do you remember God EVERY SINGLE SECOND of your life? No? Then you're not a Christian. a Christian follows Jesus' teachings.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:47:19 PM No.17862869
>>17862864
Cool. I'm still not an atheist and your arguments still have two gaping holes: >>17862721
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:55:22 PM No.17862889
>>17862694 (OP)
>>Why is reality intelligible at all? Why does it conform to logic and math?
Reality doesn't conform to logic or math. Logic and math are just often used as tools to describe reality, but have many applications that can't exist in reality. Good example would be the infinite summation of positive integers equaling negative 1/12, which is completely logical but nonsensical in reality.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:58:03 PM No.17862899
>>17862694 (OP)
>>17862697
>>17862700
Just verbal masturbation from a chatbot
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:03:57 PM No.17863365
>>17862889
The sum of all the positive integers is only equal to -1/12 if you use some specific definitions of "sum" that are so contrived that they may as well be the result of a schizophrenic episode. Though, nobody questions Ramanujan's methods because he was so far ahead of the curve that even his false conjectures are too complicated for normies to prove or disprove.

The sum of the first "n" positive integers is equal to the "n"th triangular number, therefore the sum of all the positive integers is equal to the infinitieth triangular number. Kyu ee dee.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:09:04 PM No.17863488
>>17863365
"n" is a letter not a number smartass
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:18:07 PM No.17863514
>>17862694 (OP)
They weren’t argued into it. They won’t be argued out of it.
A man must believe in magic before he can believe in God. And no man can be argued into believing in magic.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:05:55 PM No.17863635
>>17863488
If you don't understand middle school algebra, you sure as hell won't understand infinite summations. So I'll leave you be, and you can go on believing that stupid pop-sci factoid you learned from Youtube.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:17:36 PM No.17863676
>>17862869
So does your mom. Perfect for sex.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:18:39 PM No.17863680
>>17862899
Why do you assume every Christian is a bot? You're paranoid
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:26:46 PM No.17863706
>>17863676
I walked into that one.