Could communism have succeeded if it started in the already industrialised West instead of the rural East?

What are you thinking of? The Paris Commune? I don't see how they could have resisted the Prussians

>>17863165 (OP)
Yeah

>>17863165 (OP)
Communism did succeed, it was a strategy to exterminate indigenous elites which couldn't be bought out, erase the culture and social structure of a traditional society and then peacefully transfer the resulting commoditized nation into the hands of Jewish international finance capital

No, despite everyone claiming high moral humanity is still as least partially animal. As long as the populace has fully bellies, and circuses to entertain them any form of revolution is borderline impossible. Maybe some kind of slow march to communism through legal procedures but even then, unless it is capable of maintaining material prosperity the people would just spit it back out. Communism started where there was a large population of poor, angry people that had little to lose (aka the revolutionaries wet dream).


To make communism successful in the west you'd need to change the west to such a degree it would be unrecognizable

>>17863165 (OP)
yes, I mean these states are already social democracies with gibs, tuition free education and universal healthcare.etc

>>17863207
cringe,kys

>>17863165 (OP)
No, because people in the West had better lives than Russian faggots. It would've failed just like it failed in Germany.
Tsar Nicholas was a complete fucking retard, he was a dumbass even for Royalty standards. He did what his predecessors did, but back in their day there was no popular fringe ideology such as communism because people were illiterate morons.

If he had any sort of competent secret police and killed commies before they could get any sort of power he would've died of old age.
But he didn't and the war with Germany was peak idiocy, conscripting people and getting them mutilated and killed in a war of aggression is the most unpopular thing you can do. I bet lots of people wanted to see him and his family dead even if they didn't believe in communism.

The only reason the USSR became a thing is because the Russian monarchy at that time was sooo....fucking....retarded.
All he had to do was build fortifications on Russia's border and call for volunteers once Germany attacks Russia, a hundreds of thousands would've volunteered he would be seen as a saint who only wanted to protect Russia from foreign aggression.

>>17863207
Have sex.

Seriously all he had to do was not send a bunch of innocent men to their deaths after starving them for so long.
It's THAT simple. Communists in Russia had the easiest fucking time possible, for the average citizen anything looked better than the Monarchy.

All the retard had to do was not enter WW1, when he entered WW1 for no reason Lenin got the strongest erection in his life, the bald fuck was cumming without even touching his dick.
If I was Lenin I would've killed the fuck myself and raped his daughters before killing them.
If Lenin did not succeed with the conditions he had that would've been surprising, the population hated the Tsar and he was the only option at that time.

Some people just have the easiest time ever. The bald fuck had every advantage thrown at his feet, if he was born today he would've been a random incel.
If he was born in Western Europe he would've died as a nobody, the competition for him was so shit he had bigger problems with other communist groups.
His biggest problems were other commies, not even the Monarchy itself lmao. Anyone that tried communism in the West played on nightmare mode while Lenin played on EZ mode.

>>17863221
UK doesn't have tuition-free higher education

>>17863246
>All the retard had to do was not enter WW1, when he entered WW1 for no reason Lenin got the strongest erection in his life, the bald fuck was cumming without even touching his dick.
Holy shit, why are you people even posting here when you fail to know even basic 20th century history like this?
>>17863165 (OP)
Honestly everything that's gone wrong in the world since the end of the second world war is due to the batshit insane anti-communists in the British and American state and petroleum companies.

>>17863231
What would that change.

>>17863165 (OP)
looks like a goat about to eat a carrot

>>17863553
There's only one way to find out.

>>17863165 (OP)
forgot image

>>17863207
>indigenous elites
Russian elites were Germanics larping Slavs.

>>17863572
>>17863569
Lmao how high are you?

The commies lived in Germany and France but chose to implement that shit in russia, why do you think?

>>17863165 (OP)
Soviet style one-party dictatorship and planned economy? No. That was an extension of the Russian imperial state, the same despotism the Tsars were running, just with some alterations and a new paint job.

If Communism succeeded in France/Britain, it would have also followed those countries' political traditions. So no planned economy or totalitarian state, but factories directed by workers' councils rather than shareholders, markets existing to some degree, elections with parties that largely agree about economics (so all are basically socialists/communists) but clash over other issues, like ther would be Christian Socialists vs. progressives etc. How much responsibility the state would have in things like welfare would be up to political debate.

Reverse cold war with democratic socialist west vs. authoritarian capitalist east would be kino.

>>17865395
>Christian Socialists
The only other kind of Christian is a hypocrite. Muh trad /pol/cucks will reeee about this but it's true.

>>17863165 (OP)
Can't tell which is more pathetic
>communism would have succeeded if only...
OR
>Hitler would have won if only...

>>17863226
>All he had to do was build fortifications on Russia's border
It was fortified.
>and call for volunteers once Germany attacks Russia
You really think people would volunteer in large numbers for such an evil empire? Get real lol.

>>17863221
>already social democracies with gibs, tuition free education and universal healthcare.etc
These things existed in early stages in Prussia before Marx was even born. By the 1883 legislation it was a refined, effective model for workers.

Every single Marxist should be put up against a wall.

>>17863165 (OP)
The point of communism is to harvest the future potential of a nation for finance and leave them forever backwards as a result. They realized it could be done more effectively with loans around the 20s/30s and so communism was abandoned, in nations who have achieved their industrial potential communism is kind of pointless.