The whole Gauleiter system seems pretty shitty administrative system to me. Were there any benefits?

- Centralized Control
- Elimination of Bureaucratic Resistance
- Efficient Propaganda Dissemination
- Regional Adaptation of National Policy
- Militarization and War Readiness
- Loyalty and Surveillance
- Totalitarian Penetration
- Efficient Resource Mobilization
- Stability Through Fear and Order

With that being said, fuck all Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. It was a true MIRACLE that they were left breathing after what they did in WWII.

>>17863364 (OP) The Gauleiter system ultimately served a genocidal regime. Its so-called "benefits" were gains in power, control, and suppression, not for the good of the people, but for the Nazi leadership. It contributed to atrocities including the Holocaust, the war machine, and the suppression of civil liberties across Europe.

Understanding these structural "benefits" is important for preventing history from repeating itself, not for admiring authoritarian efficiency.

What's so shitty about it?

>>17863364 (OP)
Socialists cant into good governance, nothing new

>appoint governors to run parts of your country
>umm... seems pretty shity??
Great job OP

The shitty part was that it was a party system created on top of the alreardy existing local entities, leading to overlapping and unclear fields of responsibility. It's a theme throughout nazi rule, and it's quite inefficient.

>>17863364 (OP)
Finally, a Germany with normal borders after 1000 years of HRE autism

You guys keep saying it sucks, but isn't this system what helped Germany hold it's own during WW2?

>>17863492
No, it's a system that hastened its downfall because it was shit.

>>17863376
Source?

>>17863380
B8
>>17863500
How much longer would they have lasted otherwise?

>>17863500
So it's one of the aspects of Nazi Germany we shouldn't emulate? What would be a more effective alternative

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struktur_der_NSDAP
In practice, problems arose when it came to distributing responsibilities. For example, Reich leaders with their offices often competed with Gau leaders and the Gau administration. In addition, the party often competed with state agencies, such as ministries and administrative offices, as the state always aligned itself with the interests of the NSDAP (regional) leadership. The Gau leadership thus had influence over personnel decisions in public offices, for example by preparing expert reports. The main reason for this confusion of competences was the allocation of administrative tasks to the Gau leadership. The competition between Reich leaders and Reich ministers, for example, was entirely intentional and deliberately created by Hitler.
[...]
The party and the state fought each other for influence, with areas of responsibility not clearly defined and remaining unclear.
[...]
Reinhard Bollmus and Hans-Adolf Jacobsen, for example, wrote that National Socialism did not establish a monolithic Führer state, but rather a polycracy without a clear hierarchy, in which individuals, offices and authorities fought each other.
For this reason, Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick called for a fundamental organisational reform, but it was never implemented.

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>>17863533
>one of the aspects of Nazi Germany we shouldn't emulate
Implying there are aspects we should emulate
>What would be a more effective alternative
Literally any normal federal system with clear and single responsibilities. The gau system, as I said, was a party system created on top of the german state system, and took on similar responsibilities because the nazis were trying to fuse party and state structures in a poorly planned way.

>>17863549
>Implying there are aspects we should emulate
I commend your reading comprehension
>the nazis were trying to fuse party and state structures in a poorly planned way.
So would it be a matter of proper planning or do you think the idea is doomed from the outset?

>>17863549
the way they integrated the economies of the different european countries under their control was literally copied by the EU

>>17863563
Post some you think we should so I can explain why you are retarded
>>17863575
No it wasn't. The nazis set up central control over the economies of occupied states to extract ressources for the war effort. The EU is based on free trade and harmonized regulations to fuse the economies into a single market, to the benefit of all.

>>17863584
>The EU is based on free trade and harmonized regulations to fuse the economies into a single market, to the benefit of all.
heh

>>17863587
The EU is like NATO, countries join of their own free will. Or leave, if they wish. I don't need to tell you that nazi-occupied states didn't get a choice in working for the nazi war effort.

>>17863584
I think the abandonment of the central banking system and adoption of a state bank was an excellent move. I also really like the particular policies regarding the incentivization of population growth, such as having home loans partially forgiven for each new child. Please, explain away. I'm here to listen and learn.

>>17863590
>Or leave, if they wish
They will punish you for it though. Also, Article 50 was designed in a way to make leaving very complex and costly.

>>17863596
Naah, those are decent.
Btw. housing for children born was also set up by the german democratic republic.

>>17863619
How was britain punished?

>>17863590
>Or leave, if they wish
>They'll just be cut off from any and all trade, at least any practical trade
>And considered an threat against the EU
>And propagandized within the EU to make normies think that the offending country literally le ebil moustach man

>>17863652
Bullshit.
>>17863633

>>17863549
I think removing jewish pedophiles is an aspect we should emulate

>>17863665
You have a german pedophile in the white house, do something about that one first.

>>17863633
They were punished by having brown "people" funneled in

>>17863672
>implying there's only one pedo in the government

>>17863674
Bullshit. The EU can't do jack shit to funnel immigrants to britain (the boat travels are minuscule).
>>17863679
Did I now? Either way, the president is the most important of the bunch, don't you think?

>>17863364 (OP)
Intentionally fracturing Poland for more efficient control, not necessarily governance. They probably would've reformed it into a more conventional government once they were confident poland was gone for good.

>>17863700
The gau system predates the annexation of poland my white nigger of europe

>>17863695
>implying the puppet is more important than the puppetmaster
Let me guess, you're right because orange man bad?

>>17863364 (OP)
Is the Moff system in Star Wars based on it?

>>17863713
Let me guess, you think we should not go after Trump at all because at least he's a pedo that's on your side?

>>17863717
Probably yeah, moff also is a slur for German in Low Frankish

>>17863549
>Literally any normal federal system with clear and single responsibilities.
The Nazis weren't federalists, and it's not obligatory to be that

>>17863734
Where's that from?

>>17863720
Even if Trump went to Epstein Island and did that (and that's a big if), it doesn't cancel the fact that someone having sex with a 16 yo prostitute isn't a pedo.
Pedo is when you go after grade schoolers or younger than that.
Diluting the term benefits no one in good faith

>>17863364 (OP)
Can you explain why it was shitty?
I don't know anything about it.

>>17863720
I never said not to go after Trump. I'm saying going after Trump is just cutting the weed without pulling the root.

>>17863744
What do you mean

>>17863751
Fair enough.

>>17863753
Where did you see this is from Frankish?

>>17863777
From a word for “sullen face, mean-spirited person”, which still survives in Flemish moef. This is usually considered a borrowing from German Muff (now dialectal in this sense), though it could also be a native formation; compare Middle Dutch moffelen (“to grumble”). Ultimately onomatopoeic. The ethnic sense first occurred in the form Hans Mof (16th century).

mof m (plural moffen, diminutive mofje n, feminine moffin)

(derogatory) German, Kraut
Synonyms: Duitser, Moffrikaan
(obsolete) an eastern immigrant to Holland (especially from Germany, but also Gelderland, Overijssel etc.)

>>17863787
So why did Nazis pick out such a word? Seems like we're missing some connection.

>>17863787
>Moffrikaan
Is this the portmanteau I think it is?

>>17863798
It has nothing to do with Nazis, the Moffs of the Galactic Empire are named after this word
>>17863808
Yes

>The Empire is just nazis
This is the multibillion dollar franchise with a stranglehold on Disney's stock price?

>>17863850
It mostly isn't, the term Moff and Stormtrooper are literally the only things connected to Germany at all

>>17863376
Are we talking about what OP asked or modern China?

>>17863852
Nah, Palpatine turning the Republic into an Empire is obviously a reference to the 1933 Enabling Act

Gau system? More like gay system

>>17863931
It's a reference to the Roman Republic more than that

>>17863969
Oh I thought it was a speedrun of Plato's governing cycle (Palp was the good guy)

Brutality and repression under Gauleiters caused suffering and resistance.