1992 presidential debate, how the fuck did Ross Perot lose? was the 1992 election rigged like the 1960 election?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io68bndTR6c

Claims about rigging tend to be fueled by dissatisfaction with outcomes rather than factual proof.

>He dropped out in July 1992 amid controversy, but re-entered in October, participating in all three presidential debates. His polling numbers never fully recovered from his initial exit, despite his aggressive use of commercials on prime-time television. Perot appeared on every state ballot as a result of the earlier draft efforts.

>>17864741
the 1960 election was probably rigged. Nixon won most or all of the bellweather counties and there were election workers convicted of voter fraud in chicago

If you want to beat the two parties you have to be in early and you can't dip in polls because people will see you as a wasted vote

>>17864218 (OP)
this is the most compelling argument for government healthcare I've ever heard. He really called out (((nafta))) there

The american people are just tribal animals that substitute political faction for any other identity (or if they have one political faction is more important). There's no reason why we shouldn't have an abundance of third parties as house of representatives or senators given the lower barrier of entry.

>>17864741
that's only true when the candidate I like wins

>>17864796
>lower barrier of entry
yeah bro, it's soooo much easier to do it in America than in one of those gay Euro countries with "proportionality" or some other shit

>>17864796
>There's no reason why we shouldn't have an abundance of third parties as house of representatives or senators given the lower barrier of entry.
Single-member district and First pas the post creates the two party system because of wasted votes
In Europe you can vote for smaller parties without wasting your vote. Usually there's a barrier at around 3% or so.

>>17864857
That's great and all but even European assemblies tend to gravitate towards two dominant factions. Germany is a two party system. I know retards will try and argue otherwise but it's literally just the Union Parties and the Socialists. American politics are actually more similar to European politics than Yuropoors realize because even witin the Republican and Democratic parties there are seperate factions like the Right-Libertarians vs the Left-Libertarians or Neocons vs NeoLibs etc etc

The bush campaign withe legitimately blackmailed him or his schizo tendencies took over. Either way.

>>17864863
>That's great and all but even European assemblies tend to gravitate towards two dominant factions. Germany is a two party system
You're wrong
Germany has had governments over the middle exactly because the right and left isn't two unified blocks.
It happens a lot in Europe.
Look at the current government in Denmark
>American politics are actually more similar to European politics than Yuropoors realize because even witin the Republican and Democratic parties there are seperate factions like the Right-Libertarians vs the Left-Libertarians or Neocons vs NeoLibs etc etc
yes i'm saying otherwise
what i'm saying is that in Europe (other than UK) these factions would have their own parties
Bernie and Hillary is not in the same party in Europe. And you can vote for one or the other without wasting your vote
AOC had to defeat a centrist democrat to get elected because it's a one seat district

>>17864796
it's because the big 2 parties absorb smaller parties
>>17864863
>the Left-Libertarians
there are no left libertarians, that's an oxymoron

>>17864218 (OP)
Literally because Bill Clinton played the saxophone on Arsenio Hall. Not joking.

>>17864891
Forgot pic

>>17864889
*not saying otherwise

>>17864889
>Bernie and Hillary is not in the same party in Europe.
They are both proslavery communists. It would be like trudou and that jacksoff meat indian guy in canada where they say they are 2 different parties but vote in lock step on everything. Sanders, AOC and spamburger and whovever vote like 95% exactly the same. they only ever defect when it won't affect the vote. when the dems voted to raise the budget of the capital police AOC voted present because some of the other squad voted no and if she voted no the bill would have failed

>>17864906
well in Europe you can vote for different parties and they don't have to be in lock step with each other
Because of the voting system

>>17864911
again, leafland has multiple parties and the 3rd biggest party just voted lockstep with the commie party in their coalition government

>>17864914
they have 5 parties and one of them is a regional party
Another good example of what i explain to you
their voting system leads to a 2 party system

>>17864922
the orange party, green party and red party all vote in lockstep on everything.
I would like more than 2 parties in the US, that way there would be more gridlock and fewer bills would get passed, which is based.

>>17864927
multiple parties doesn't lead to gridlock and also in Europe if you have gridlock you can call a snap election
btw here's Denmarks last election
It lead to an A+M+V government

>>17864218 (OP)
>how the fuck did Ross Perot lose?
You hear that voice? That's how.

As for the election in general, Perot came across as something of a nutcase in most news clips. To the point that the SNL bit linked below wasn't as far fetched as they'd hoped it would be. I had forgotten the daughter's picture scandal and dim memory says there's at least a couple more wtf moments like that during his campaign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O48Ey0umQVs

>>17864934
No he didn't. He came across as the most intelligent and factual across all of the debates. Character assassination is what happens to all genuine anti-establishment politicians like him.

>>17864218 (OP)
It turns out that dropping out of the election does not help with your odds.

>>17864932
that sounds like shit. Gridlock is fucking based as fuck beyond belief. I'm against the ranked choice or whatever they do in alaska because people say it reduces gridlock and makes the candidates more moderate, which is the opposite of what I want

>>17864968
we don't have ranked choice but what happens in europe the district elects more than one person
and then even extra seats for the region
that makes the parliament reflect closer to the actual vote %
And it has less gridlock because you they negotiate across the middle.
A lot of times let's say a center right government can't agree with the futher right parties. Then they can reach other the middle on some issues
In Denmark social democrats does immigration policies with the right now.
pro EU is usually supported in the center etc
for better or worse the policies reflect more the opinions of voters

>>17864218 (OP)
I always found it weird that the most successful third party candidacy was in the early 90s, an era of unprecedented calm and stability. You would guess that a third party campaign would be more successful during a crisis, when people are sick of the whole system and want to give a new party a chance.

>>17865360
During a crisis people tend to become more tribal, and there are only 2 winning tribes in america.

>>17864863
Blocs do tend to develop, yes, but they can look and behave radically different depending on the composition of those blocs.

>>17864796
Easiest way for small parties to break the current two parties would be to turn into less formal movements and run candidates at the D and R primaries. Why try to run in races as a thrid party agains the two big parties if you can replace one of them at a race? Then when they have enough candidates in Congress they can start to formally break away.

>>17864906
whenever someone says Hilary Clinton a communist, you can safely disregard anything else they have to say as schizobabble.

>>17865317
sounds terrible. the US system is better. Gridlock is mega based and anything they agree upon like the patriot act or NAFTA or H1Bs is always bad. the yuro parliments are also shit because the executive is a creature of the parliament and the citizens have no rights
>>17865360
>90s
>stability
this was right after ruby ridge and right before waco

>>17865381
she is a communist. she wanted gun bans and open borders and to enslave and kill Americans. She wars far as fuck left, retard

>>17865360
>I always found it weird that the most successful third party candidacy was in the early 90s, an era of unprecedented calm and stability.
I think it was because of the end of the Cold War. On the right, the Cold War united the businessmen, the religious conservatives, and the military/national security hawks and Deep State people. So once that ended, the coalition destabilized which created an opening for Perot. Bush represented the military/natsecs/Deep State people while Perot was a businessman like Trump. You might think businessmen are all free traders, and many are, but there are plenty of them who don't like it. Perot was also into the military as a thing, but he wanted to cut spending. He was somelike Steve Bannon or these national-conservative types who want to reduce U.S. military commitments, but Perot was relatively socially liberal (pro-choice, relatively pro-gay for the early 90s).

>>17865361
>During a crisis people tend to become more tribal, and there are only 2 winning tribes in america.
That too.

>>17866054
Waco was a blow to us conservatives then who were then viewed as whackjobs. Not saying the fbi were justified at all. That was a travesty of justice.

>>17864218 (OP)
>>17864758
Does anyone actually give a shit about decades-old american political history like this?

>>17866701
everything is cyclical, especially considering everything he said in that clip was factual

>>17864218 (OP)
This was the first election where I was able to vote. A lot of us at the time thought it was weird that the media didn't seem to mention how he made his fortune and there was no WWW to look it up. He was leading in the polls when he dropped out and the reason for him dropping out was met with puzzlement from the public.

He founded Perot Systems, the first big dedicayed IT company and a lot of his business was managing hospitals and health care programs. That is why the Clintons consulted with him on their health care proposal. He would have likely been the prime contractor to set up and run their national health care program because nobody else at the time had the assets and expertise.

He dropped out and waited for his broad base of support to dry up because he was afraid he might win, blowing the whole plan.

TLDR: He ran as a spoiler candidate so he could profit from the Clinton's national health care plan.

>>17864218 (OP)
>>17864218 (OP)
This was the first election where I was able to vote. A lot of us at the time thought it was weird that the media didn't seem to mention how he made his fortune and there was no WWW to look it up. He was leading in the polls when he dropped out and the reason for him dropping out was met with puzzlement from the public.

He founded Perot Systems, the first big dedicayed IT company and a lot of his business was managing hospitals and health care programs. That is why the Clintons consulted with him on their health care proposal. He would have likely been the prime contractor to set up and run their national health care program because nobody else at the time had the assets and expertise.

He dropped out and waited for his broad base of support to dry up because he was afraid he might win, blowing the whole plan.

TLDR: He ran as a spoiler candidate so he could profit from the Clinton's national health care plan.

>>17866055
She is after power and nothing else. To ascribe any ideology to the Clintons is retarded and gives them too much credit.

>>17866720
>51 years old
ok boomer

>>17866726
sure thing boomer boy. she's a commie and so are you

>>17866728
I'm Gen-X, not a boomer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X

Go to bed kid. You need to be at least 18 to post here.

>>17866813
ok, Boomer

>>17866730
Keep seething capitalist pig!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v_9n5tImIjg&pp=ygUNR2F6bWFub3YgdXNzcA%3D%3D

Mы вac пoхopoним!

>>17866813
boomer isn't a generation; it's a mindset

>>17867067
You mean an adult mindset?

>>17867043
shalom

>>17865360
It was when the consequences of neoliberal economic policy and deindustrialization started to be apparent. Clinton's whole strategy was to just join the neoliberal turn and take the edge off of it a smidge like Labor did in Britain under Tony Blair, and Perot was the only guy with an explicitly anti-neoliberal message. The "stability" came a little later when Clinton ended up getting to coast on the dot com and real estate bubbles with the former only collapsing at the end of his term and the other going along until 2008

>>17864804
The Green Party exists and dictates the policies of European countries due to proportionality. Don't want it, don't need it, we're good thanks.

>>17866054
How would gridlock prevent any of that?

>>17868539
by preventing congress from passing law. It's based as fuck when congress can't pass laws

>>17867516
As Salaam Alaykhum!

>>17868713
I don't speak whatever retard language that is, faggot

>>17868751
But you speak Hebrew? Somebody took you out of the oven too soon.

>>17869126
you obviously speak hebrew yourself, fagola

>>17869135
I speak several languages, what of it?

You sound obsessed with my sexuality. Sorry to disappoint you, but your speculations are just wishful thinking on your part.

>>17869263
>I speak several languages
hahahah, so you are a homosexual. nice own goal

>>17869266
That makes absolutely no sense. How does speaking multiple languages make someone homosexual? You are only making your own inclinations more obvious..

>>17869343
because only faggots come from countries where they have to learn another language

>>17869350
I'm in California. There are plenty of faggots around here, but I am not one of them.

You, on the other hand have outed yourself with your obsession.

>>17869362
>I'm in California
cool, so you admit you aren't American and you are a faggot troon. thanks for playing, tranny

>>17869368
>State with the most people, largest economy, and most agricultural exports isn't American
This isn't the hill you want to die on bud

>>17869368
>California isn't in America

Since you are a brown thirdie, how about looking at a map some time.

>>17869376
>>17869378
california isn't now, nor has it ever been part of the US, samefag. it's a communist shithole with no redeeming features, lil sis

>>17869381
>samefag
Naw I'm just lurking and just hopped in. Also anyone else notice this board has been particularly cancerous over the past 2 days? Are we being raided by /pol/tards and discord tankies because for some reason it feels like we are right now

>>17869388
very easy to fake, you gay retard, no one likes california. it isn't America, keep being gay

>>17869381
Maybe I was wrong about the brown part. You only deny being a fag because dedovschina isn't really gay, da tovarisch?

>>17869410
I'm American. the entire country hates california, you foreign retard

>>17869420
Most people don't think about Californians and most Californians don't even think about you

>>17869426
most californians are incapable of thinking and the majority of the country hates california

>>17869429
Rent free Cleetus, rent free

>>17869433
see, you are seething about california not being part of the US, tranny

>>17869435
I hold the US to a higher standard than you do

>>17869440
california isn't in the US. no one considers you American, troon