The messiah was supposed to
>Reestablish the kingdom of Israel
>Be crowned king
He did none of these things. The fact that he didn't start a revolt against the Roman Empire that would have reestablished Israel as an independent polity invalidates his claim of being the messiah
Also, Jesus wasn't even born of a virgin. Mary committed adultery with a Roman soldier named Panthera.

>>17864222 (OP)
The fact Jesus tells a crowd of his followers, "This generation shall not pass away until all these things have happened" (including straight-up apocalyptic shit he just described) that never came to pass should tell you, yes, it's all bullshit. It's right there in the text.

>>17864222 (OP)
>Mary committed adultery with a Roman soldier named Panthera.
This phrase is a syncretic mishmash that was the end result of all the slander circulating against Jesus and his allies. Pantera was the father of Mary Magdalene, and Joseph of Magdala was her uncle. Jesus was sent to live with them because the Mary & Joseph of Judah lived too close to the Herods. Also, Joseph of Magdala had helped out Jesus' father Juba II during his 4-year stay in Galilee. Pantera was the bodyguard of Juba II during his babysitting of Augustus' grandson Gaius (Agrippas son).
When this Gaius died in 4ad, Juba II took Mary & Joseph of Judah with him to hide from the turmoil that ensued - probably along with Pantera & Magdalene as well, but Joseph of Magdala stayed behind - later becoming the cover-father for both Jesus and Magdalene when they returned to Galilee. The reason why Magdalene was treated so abnormally lenient by Jesus compared to Judaic and israelite scholarly norms, was because Jesus had used her as a dribbling-wall and study-buddy during his time in the libraries of his father. In short, Magdalene could preemptively quote Jesus verbatim if she wanted to, because she had heard all his talkingpoints since they were toddlers.
Because of this, Jesus saw first-hand that the taboo against female scholars and intellectuals was more due to lack of education than it was the retardedness of the female gender. This is why Jesus said that women could theoretically become "like a man" in the sense of being disciples of truth, if they prove capable of resisting the stereotypical gossip-whore trope.

>>17864254
At what date did Judea get molested by Rome into de-facto deletion, I wonder.
SURELY NOT while some disciples were still alive,- RIGHT?

The historical Jesus likely did not lead a political revolt, but his impact reshaped religious and cultural history worldwide.

>>17864222 (OP)
Bibi confirmed messiah.

>>17864222 (OP)
This is why Deism is the thinking man's theology. There's no retarded hebrew tribal dances around a fire to cope with the words in le holy books not adding up after thousands of years. Why would God command you to build tunnels under NYC? Abrahamics are a joke

>>17864646
It wasn't though. The "romans kicked out all the jews" is ironically Israeli propaganda to deny the Jewish lineage of Palestinians

>>17864222 (OP)
There is no Messiah you dumb ass. All the Messianic prophecies are tied to a political propaganda campaign by the House of David in the Persian period. It's no different than the concept of the Mahdi coming from one of the Umayyad civil wars. If God really wanted to establish a man's throne he would just do it.

>>17864254
>6 days later
Some of that generation got a taste of whats to come right here in the same text.

>>17864222 (OP)
Second Coming.

>>17865108
I'm the messiah then; I will fullfill the prophecies when I come back

>>17865088
>Some of that generation got a taste of whats to come right here in the same text.

So you admit the transfiguration wasn't what jesus was talking about

>>17865120
No. It was what Jesus was talking about. Call it a sample of the full thing but its still something of that same thing.
The Mount of Transfiguration happens after he gives that sermon in all the gospels that include it.

Enjoy burning :)

>>17865012
Judah itself was the arab-mutt tribe of israel since way before babylon.
the irony is that neither arabs nor "jews" are the Iudaim, but that they are Babi-semites that worshipped the Bullmonkey, which married into the Levitic-Heliopolitan priesthoods after the post-Hyksos dynasty disowned the inhabitants of the northeast for failing to stop the Hyksos.
The lore of Jews was literally just as larp-warped by the time of return from Babylon compared to Moses as Mormons were compared to Jesus when travelling west from the colonies.
The term "Jew" has been pulled inside out and regurgitated atleast 4 times.

>>17864222 (OP)
Correct. He was supposed to fly down from the sky and become the jew king of jerusalem.

>>17865149
If it's a sample it can't be what jesus was talking about; you haven't read the book have you?

>>17864222 (OP)
>>Reestablish the kingdom of Israel
He did. Matthew 20, Parable of the vineyard. The Kingdom of Israel was transfered over to the believers in Jesus and is now universal.
>Be crowned king
His Roman executors - the legal authority over Judah at the time - crowned Him as King of the Jews and even made it His epithet.

>>17865573
Nope, he was supposed to establish it as an independent polity. The Christian Church is not the Kingdom of Israel as it's not a country.
Nope, he never ruled over anything in his life and thus was not king. His Roman executors referred to him as such as a way of mocking him

>>17865782
>has to resort to semantics to beat my very simple rebukes
>Nope, he was supposed to establish it as an independent polity.
not written in the Bible
>The Christian Church is not the Kingdom of Israel as it's not a country
a kingdom is not necessarily a country, and a country is not necessarily an independant state. You're confounding your definitions here.
>Nope, he never ruled over anything in his life and thus was not king.
So why did his followers call Him Lord before and after His Resurrection, which means He is very much still alive and possess Lordship over those who gives themselves to him?
His Roman executors referred to him as such as a way of mocking him
And yet it was still His Epithet, and He was still crowned, and He is still Lord.

>>17865815
The promise God made to Abraham was to turn him into a great nation.

>>17865824
Which He did, and still do, as now.
>10When Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those following Him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11I say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
What is "the banquet with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" here? Who are "the sons of the kingdom"?

>>17865815
>not written in the Bible
All those verses about how'd the messiah reestablish Israel as an independent country say hello

>>17865849
you have no idea because these cultists were just making shit up and barely being coherent to their old testament