Was the arch-pragmatist correct that colonialism was primarily an aesthetic map painting pursuit, and that colonies cost more than they brought in?

Britain had all the good ones, so yes

>>17865142 (OP)
Undeniably, especially for Germany

>>17865142 (OP)
Yes.

>>17865142 (OP)
Yes. Especially as there was much land to develop within the newly formed German Empire. This would have raised living conditions and provided work immediately at home without the risk of alienating the already established colonial powers.

>>17865142 (OP)
Hitler was against colonization too. :)

it was cope over his irrelevant artificial shitpile ant hive being about 300 years too late

>>17865356
The French and the spainsh had challenged Britain, to their misfortune. Realpoltic ment that Germany should concentrate on eastern europe and not earn new enemies

>>17865385
or they could've left people alone

>>17865387
Having enemies in the east and west ment that was not an option

>>17865387
Bismarck tried once Germany was unified, avoided military adventurism and set up a German-led alliance system that'd maintain its position no matter how much France seethed over Alsace-Lorraine
But Austro-Russian rivalry over the Balkans undermined his system, and his successor was not nearly as competent

No colonies means no cheap tobacco, coffee and tea, plus no projection of power outside your continent

>>17865425
The problem for weaker naval powers is that said power projection will fall apart the first time you fight another colonial power
And not just in the case of Germany, a lot of the really short-lived colonies places like Sweden or Courland tried ended that way

>>17865425
They can get cheap oil and food from the east,all they need is compliant client states

In hindsight, Russia could only have secured herself by allying with Germany.

>>17865349
Uhm... what about Generalplan Ost?

>>17865356
It's actually a line from him declining colonies after winning a war.

>>17865463
There was no actual policy implemented to reflect the aims or goals of the theoretical proposition that was the eastern plan.
slavs pretend there was because they know genocide and ethnic cleansing are trigger terms for Westerners and Westerners will overlook slavic failures (such as the inability to produce a single functional democracy) if they believe they were put upon and its not really their fault theyre retarded.

>>17865142 (OP)
In 1904 Germany put down an uprising of the Herero natives in their southwest african colony, through a military expedition which culminated in the first genocide of the 20th century. The German army killed 100,000 natives through collective punishment, intentionally creating a famine, forcing the natives to stay in the desert until they starved, and killing anyone who tried to flee.

The colony had never turned a profit, never would turn a profit, had less than 2000 German settlers who were mostly considered undesirables anyway, and the 3 month expedition cost more than 100x the colony's annual budget. A decade later they gave the colony away to Britain in the Versailles Treaty.

When you look at that its hard not to see that kind of imperialism as absurdly irrational.

>>17865142 (OP)
Not only did they cost more than they brought in, they also lost Germany WW1

>>17865485
What's irrational about it? I can't fathom why Europeans didn't do this across Africa.

>>17865622
population density and the limits of the European agricultural package
Germany actually killed more people in East Africa suppressing a rebellion there, but more Africans replaced them because they didn't have the settlers to even try setting up an apartheid-like system ala Namibia

>>17865463
You can only colonize black people

>>17865485
first genocide of the 20th century was the british against the afrikaners, but english-language historiography ignores this

>>17865479
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany

>>17865622
Because Europeans wanted Africans for chaeap labour that they didn't want to do themselves.

>>17865142 (OP)
He wanted LAND colonies, to be more specific everything East of Prussia but also West of Moscow. He didnt cared for god-forsaken colonies in tropical hellholes filled with subhumans

>>17865951
There is nothing to suggest that Bismarck strove for a conflict with Russia.

>>17865447
The same goes for Germany.
Too bad. Now we live in a doomed timeline.

>>17865153
This, the rest were fighting over scraps. If the other colonies were ever any good the brits would have taken them too, but they were all either so inhospitable and rife with disease that colonization was never going to be profitable, or simply nothing of value existed there.

>>17865425
You act like running robust coffee, tea, and tobacco plantations plus organizing complicated logistical networks to process and transport those goods is trivial and cheap. I would guess it would take upwards of a century for any new German colony to turn a profit, and by then colonialism is totally obsolete.

>>17865479
have you considered that they were at war and generalplan ost was mostly a post-war plan?

>>17865622
Africa wasn't nearly as populated as it is now. Like, by orders of magnitude. Its population used to be dwarfed by Europe. The colonials lacked foresight to what mass industrial agriculture would bring

>>17865485
Based krauts

>>17865479
No policy implemented? Ever heard of how Organisation Todt used mass slave labor of the so-called Ostarbeiter?
Your outburst of anti-slavic sentiment indicates you are uneducated about what you’re talking about, and motivated more by dogmatic nazi racialism than the truth.

>>17868222
Conscripted labor isn’t slave labor. jews in British camps did labor.
Germans and Japanese in American camps did labor (and fought, are they slave soldiers?)
>anti Slavic
If reality is anti Slavic then Hitler was correct yes and we should re-evaluate from an objective standpoint the views and claims regarding Nazi Germany.

>>17865463
Never existed,and documentation from Nazis themselves refutes the myth.
>>17865913
Hitler explicitly is against colonizing Africa in MK.

>>17865942
>remove honorable nigga
Based policymakers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_deportations

>>17865142 (OP)
yes. bismark is the only prussoid in history that had a functional brain

A lot of Colonial pursuits were successful in raking in tons of cash

>>17868580
What about Italian dude replace Otto?

>>17865485
Proof of those numbers outside British propaganda?

>>17865485
There no genocide during rebellion

>>17865142 (OP)
Yes . European brother wars are kino , we brownies love Deutschland!!