EHG were tall and EEF were Smart? - /his/ (#17865308)

Anonymous
7/23/2025, 11:03:33 AM No.17865308
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Segments relating to Height and Intelligences were selected from different ancestral groups in Europeans. As seen here, Sidelkino had some of the greatest genetic selection for height in the world, but very low in book smarts. I don't think it is a matter of pure intelligences, but clearly farmer socieities are closer to modern ones than forager communities so it makes sense these people selected for brain receptors more ideal for modernity.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 11:29:44 AM No.17865326
Wait, so Ashkenazi are only smart because they are half Roman?
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 11:55:06 AM No.17865354
>>17865326
Kinda. They got those genes and then selected for them in their extremely small population.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 12:11:43 PM No.17865365
>>17865326
Ashkenazi were a specialized caste of financial criminals that kept up selection for intelligence only as long as they needed it, after they won WWII this selection collapsed, the intelligent caste of Askenazim married shiksas and the zionist caste of Ashkenazim married Mizrahim, now we live in a world with no notable intelligent Ashkenazim, modern Ashkenazim can't produce a Feynman or a Kubrick, they can't even produce a Sagan or a Spielberg. Ashkenazim speedran caste degeneration in less than a hundred years or rule, that's why modern Ashkenazim come off as retarded criminals and are now on the verge of losing power.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 12:38:05 PM No.17865398
>>17865308 (OP)
the intelligent longobard vs the dumb imperial romans
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 2:16:06 PM No.17865555
>>17865398
>The intelligent illiterate barbarians
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 4:42:51 PM No.17865852
>>17865308 (OP)
If Croatia is so low how are they so tall?
>>17865365
>verge of losing power
Source?
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 5:00:23 PM No.17865885
>>17865852
>Source?
Ashkenazim are specialized parasites that can only operate through front groups, since their retarded reaction to 10/07 they have lost all of their frontgroups and have had to take open power. This is a position of extreme danger, but modern Ashkenazim are entirely too low-IQ to realize this, they seem to genuinely think that people tolerate their rule just because they are so smart and likable and chosen by God, a typical pathology of an out-of-touch degenerated elite
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 5:11:30 PM No.17865912
>>17865885
There are many subgroups of ashkies that still breed with each other so they are still eugenic.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 5:43:21 PM No.17866002
>>17865912
Only a tiny subset of ashkenazim were intelligent, that caste is long extinct. Modern Ashkenazim are the shtetl trash remnant skating by on the work of genuinely smart and cautious Ashkenazim from generations ago, nobody gets the impression that modern Ashkenazim are intelligent
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 7:14:05 PM No.17866194
>>17865308 (OP)
Keep in mind your own chart says:
Rome CA < Bell Beaker < England BA < Britain N < Britain BA < Rome IA
It's not so straightforward as "EEF were smart". That's reductionist and confused.

The issue with these analyses is that they lack testability in ancient populations. They are more inferential than they are scientific because we cannot give these dead people intelligence tests. Testability is the heart of the scientific method.

I know what you may be thinking though: we can test living people and find genes correlated with intelligence then use those to infer the intelligence of ancient populations. The problem is you are comparing apples to oranges. Ancient populations are not required to have the same genes which promote intelligence in modern populations. It was the same sort of fallacy that led to Cheddar man being called black, but now we've learned he did in fact have pale skin genes, just not ones that are particularly common in most modern populations. Absence of evidence (for intelligence) is not evidence of absence (of intelligence).

Different ethnicities have different genes which promote intelligence, so when polygenic tests are created, you need to understand the population sampled which was used to create the tests that were subsequently used on ancient populations. For example, it's invalid to create tests based on white Americans and then project them onto early European farmers.

But don't GWAS show blacks lack many intelligence genes that Europeans have as expected? Yes, but the key difference here is that we can actually test living black IQs, but black vs European represents a major race distinction (SSA vs West Eurasian) so we could miss intelligence genes specific to blacks by making tests based on West Eurasians. Likewise, EHGs were highly divergent from ANFs. It would be easy to miss their specific intelligence genes because they were genetically unique and not quite like any surviving modern population.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 11:40:32 PM No.17866828
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>>17865308 (OP)
>>17866194
ANE, EHG and WHG were dumb, ANF were smart:
>Indeed, Eastern Hunter Gatherer ancestry, which derived up to 70% of ancestry from Ancient North Eurasians living in the extremely cold climates of Siberia (Posth et al., 2023), was a negative predictor of EA or IQ in the regressions.

>Hunter-gatherer ancestry (particularly V2 or WHG) was negatively associated with EA3, EA4 and IQ in the regression models (Supplementary Tables S1−S3) even after accounting for Years BP (β = -0.314, -0.4, -0.249), suggesting that the increase in cognitive capacity was not solely driven by the Neolithic revolution but was partly mediated by admixture with the immigrants that accompanied it.

>There are some non-continuous changes in some genetic scores. These relate to population replacements. The farmers seem to be smarter than the hunter-gatherers, and their replacement increased intelligence faster than within population would have done. Group selection in action.

Cold climate is not associated with increased intelligence, but rather slightly the opposite:
>However, the data do not support the cold winters theory of intelligence (Lynn, 1991, 2006), as the effect of latitude on EA3 and IQ in the regression models (Supplementary Tables S1 and S3) tended to be slightly negative (β = −0.055 and −0.097, p = .022 and p < .001 respectively), contrary to the theory’s prediction. This implies that, at least within the temperate zone from which our samples were derived (30.64 to 69.65°), and within the last 12,000 years, climate did not exert a discernible selective pressure.

https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/what-do-ancient-genomes-show-about
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:40:15 PM No.17868194
So after years of retarded theories of high IQ hunter-gatherers it turns out that the obvious answer was true, more civilized people are more intelligent. What would be interesting is to see what happened since the Bronze Age after they've mixed, and especially how did barbarian Germans became so intelligent.

>>17866194
Low IQ low farmer cope. How did we learn Cheddar man had pale skin then?
If a trait was under selection then if they had different genes causing that trait those genes would have also been selected for.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:51:07 PM No.17868209
>>17865365
>the intelligent caste of Askenazim married shiksas

my jewish right wing guru Nathan Cofnas told me this is true for secular/reform jews so I believe it.

There are other measures like number of jewish winners of math competitions in America declining over time .

However the ashkenazi high IQ gene stock is being maintained in the orthodox ashkenazi community , but due to their culture they don't really use their high IQ to make scientific discoveries or transform social movements or other significant stuff.
Also, the orthodox jewish community has over time lost their members with the most open-minded, novelty-seeking genes. And open minded, novelty-seeking genes are what you need in order to feel motivated to spend your entire life finding out the truth and becoming a world class physicist/mathematician.

So all the most novelty seeking ashkenazi jews are being thrown in the IQ grindr be leaving the orthodox community, race-mixing with gentiles , and even more importantly having not enough kids to replace themselves.

the orthodox ashkenazis will keep their high IQ genes but won't use them for anything world-changing unlike the secular and reform jews.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:10:15 PM No.17868248
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>>17868209
>However the ashkenazi high IQ gene stock is being maintained in the orthodox ashkenazi community ,
Religious people are not intelligent by definition. I can hardly think of anyone more retarded and subhuman than an Abrahamic schizo. The resemblance of religious Jews to braindead Muslim terrorists is uncanny.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:33:32 PM No.17868307
>>17868248
>Religious people are not intelligent by definition.
oh no, you're retarded :(
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:41:55 PM No.17868327
>>17868307
Religiosity is an unintelligent behavior that requires lack of critical thinking ability and belief in things without evidence (superstition). Religiosity is an increase of at least three conditions of mental weakness:
• low IQ,
• schizophrenia,
• autism

In addition, religious Jews exhibit other unintelligent behaviors such as extreme OCD.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:54:15 PM No.17868361
Almost all geniuses have borderline schizophrenia and autism and come from religious cultures. We are more atheistic than ever and produce fewer geniuses than ever. Religion provided social stability that we have not found meaningful answers for at the scale of a population which is why everything is declining. We lack the cohesion and meaningful relationships to achieve what we once could collectively in the west. And our financial class keeps importing shitskins who even among their strivers cannot even ask the questions our ancestors did in a meaningful way, they still have their religiosity and in-group loyalties.

More religiosity, and racism (only when combined) = more better. The problem is that Christianity itself is cringe as fuck given the technological landscape. Like it worked when crossing the sea was a perilous voyage. Now any 80 IQ retard or evil, resentful jew can hop on a plane (our technology) and make a deal with a bank, with an NGO, with a lobbyist, etc. It wasn't always so.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:03:28 PM No.17868386
>>17868361
>Almost all geniuses have borderline stupidity and retardation
Paradox. You are twisting your diseased little mind full of cognitive dissonance into knots in order to cope.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:48:23 PM No.17868523
>>17865326
Opposite. Jewish cognitive superiority is recorded in any sub-group throughout human history, From Europe, Iraq, Mediterranean, Persia etc.

Ashkenazi just scaled the inclination for genius that ethnic Jews have by living in societies that complimented it.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:19:31 PM No.17868577
>>17868386
Schizophrenia is fragmentation, not stupidity. And autism isn't simple enough to be ruled as retardation outright. Many individuals on the spectrum have extraordinary intelligence but struggle with one aspect of theory of mind, Hence Mozart not understanding aristocrats ragging on Christianity in his time.

The simple fact is that almost every genius will have members of their immediate family on the spectrum or with schizophrenia. Some of them struggle with those conditions on some level as well.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:31:20 PM No.17868601
>>17868209
>the orthodox ashkenazis will keep their high IQ genes
There is no reason to assume they ever had those genes, notable Jewish intellectuals only emerged from now extinct western mercantile lineages. The Hasidim were a low caste of criminals and grifters that abandoned Jewish legalism for anti-intellectual mysticism.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:08:32 PM No.17868854
>>17868577
I think you're right. Einstein had a schizophrenic son, bipolar mom. Many cases. Gene suites that lead to them affect hardware (obviously) and their effect on the hardware can sometimes, when levels are right, lead to incredible intellectual abilities. When you max out though, when both parents (who've likely come together due to likemindedness) have high risk scores for certain conditions, there's likely to be something resembling hell for the offspring to pay, at least in the case of full-blown schizophrenia.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:30:37 PM No.17868906
>>17865555
It does happen.
>Kassel conversations, c. 810 AD
>"Tole sint uualha, spahe sint peigira; luzic ist spahe in uualhum mera hapent tolaheiti denne spahi."
>Translation: "Roman ("uualha") people are stupid, Bavarians are smart; there is little smartness in the Romans; they have more stupidity than smartness."
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:39:20 PM No.17869075
>>17868577
This is one of the main reasons jumping the gun on crispr is such a bad idea