Would Irish still be the majority language in Ireland today if the 1845 famine never happened?

>>17866065 (OP)

>>17866065 (OP)
We already had this thread.

No, it wouldn't. The Famine isn't the only reason the language fell into such rapid decline, and the process was already well underway by the time it happened. Ireland was sandwiched between the UK and the US, two extremely powerful English speaking nations.

Since the 1600s, all of Ireland's institutions-trade, politics, culture-was in English. In the early 1800s, people were encouraged to learn English to grant themselves some social mobility once the Penal Laws started to finally come to a conclusive end.

The key thing with the famine is that the places hit hardest by it were often those with the highest amount of monolingual Irish speakers; so the aftermath of it is the mass displacement/death of those people, paired with a society telling everyone that the only way out of insane poverty is to learn English.

But like >>17866095 said, we already had this thread.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17842531/#q17842531

>>17866127
Hundreds of thousands of people still speak Welsh in Wales daily and the Welsh language never died despite Wales being right beside England.

>>17866127
He posted it to Pol as well. Have seen the thread a dozen times before.

>>17866149
Welsh and Irish history are very different, and so too is the history of their language.

The main reason Irish never really "revived" is because when the entire nation already speaks 1 language, most people don't want to bother learning a second one that won't gain them a better material life; Irish did not come with opportunities, its use as a unifying factor wasn't that significant. Meanwhile it was continually suppressed in the North, which obviously doesn't help.

>>17866065 (OP)
Yep, everywhere spoke it so without an apocalyptic colonizing genocide the vast majority of the island speaks it, it'd get independence sooner as even the protestants spoke it so the whole island would be independent and the few areas who speak english would soon have to learn irish and eventually the whole island would become monolingually irish speaking, english would never ever catch on and the english speakers would lose their english, as the irish are lazy niggers who can't speak more than one language they'll only speak irish forever and all attempts to teach or speak english whether for business or profit will totally flop and fail, not out of nationalism but total stupidity of the indigenes.

>>17866149
How many Welsh people can speak only Welsh and no English?

>>17866065 (OP)
Probably not, but it might be in slightly less sorry shape than it is now.

>>17866065 (OP)
irish is NOT the majority language in Ireland today.

>>17868814
Yes, that's why they're posing it as a counterfactual. "Still" as in "despite elapsed time", not "still" as in "nonetheless".

>>17866127
>The only way to stop it before it's too late is if Britain loses WW1 somehow and the Irish independentists invite a German prince to become their king (there were such plans)
What would Ireland look like with a German king?

>>17868842
Those plans were always in the minority, and were more to do with the 1916 rising than they were with the later War of Independence.

If we look at the actual political layout of Ireland at the time, the most likely outcome (again, assuming Germany wins) is a broadly centre-right government between the conservative factions of Sinn Féin+remnants of the Redmondites+Unionists. The socialists would probably try wage some sort of guerrilla war. Many believe that had he not died, Michael Collins would have been Ireland's interwar dictator; while most Irish nationalism had its roots in "left wing" ideas, there was clearly an attraction to the idea of a strong paternalistic leader.

>>17868864
>while most Irish nationalism had its roots in "left wing" ideas, there was clearly an attraction to the idea of a strong paternalistic leader
Because the irish hate liberty

>>17866585
You'd be surprised.

>>17868936
Well this is the scenario where Germany win WW1. We already know that Ireland instead went for proportional representation. If power is all they craved they'd have stuck to the retarded FPTP system that Britain uses.