how would you fix it in a realistic way? objectively speaking, every african country developing is good for everyone

Divide Nigeria into 3 separate countries and reunite Eritrea and Ethiopia.

Unironic answer is Christianity.
One thing you notice about every irredeemable shithole is the overabundance of superstitions.
In fact, one of the biggest factors that keep Africa down is their rampant witch and witch-hunting economy which rouses suspicion and resentment towards their most successful people

Superstition is so rampant that it was found that as much as 80% of their own university students (yes, the richest folks) believe that USA is richer than Africa because they have magic that they aren't sharing.
That's how deep it goes

if a society wishes to rise, it must be virtuous at a fundamental level. And belief is the foundation of society. Christianity completely blows everything out of the ballpark

>>17866970
How is Christianity any better or worse than "superstition". To any outsider from the two they are exactly the same

>>17866987
Simple:
It tells you that magic is real and you don't have to do anything because they are fucking useless against God

It tells you to stay put and let God do the rest instead of killing the rich guy because you thought that he hexxed your town

>>17866970
>Unironic answer is Christianity.
Christianity was in Africa before most of Europe.

>>17866987
Being autistic about the trinity and the exact nature of Christ is probably better than staving babies to death becasue the tribe shaman said it was a witch.

>>17866994
Then it got fucked over by Islam. Ethiopia being the exception that stood strong as a great Christian nation allied with Portugal.
Then it got conquered by Communists and they are still recovering from it

>>17866991
>you don't have to do anything because they are fucking useless against God
Christians still do magic globally.

>>17866996
Christians had constant sectarian controversies, killings, expulsion and violence between them. Oh and the many illegal crusades the Pope did not authorize

>>17867015
>>17866987
We don't do magic. We destroy magic and replace it with miracles.

>>17866970
majority of africa is christian
>>17867001
cannibalism and slavery was happening in ethiopia before the italians and british abolish them. Again how can christianity fix anything in the modern age my brown friend

>>17867001
>Then it got fucked over by Islam
It still existed in Africa with direct lineage. You can't omit all that to paint this weird narrative.

>Ethiopia being the exception that stood strong as a great Christian nation allied with Portugal.
Christian states tried to erode it's sovereignty and push a conversion to Catholicism. The Italy fought it twice wtih the 2nd one capturing it and leading to a cleansing of the Orthodox clergy through mass killings and damaging religious sites.

>Then it got conquered by Communists and they are still recovering from it
The communist years were actually pretty tame. Open worship wasn't banned and the church had agency through push backs and pressure.

>>17867020
Cannibalism in which part of Ethiopia? Also slavery was still used by every power after "abolishment". Italians actually re-enslaved the Somali Bantu before the metropole caught wind. Then they just switched to a "work serfing civilize the Bantu" BS and worked them to the bone.

>>17867022
You kidding?
Italo-Ethiopian War, killed as much as 20% of their population (40% of men)
When the commies arrived, it resulted in another million deaths due to starvation + a whole lot more due to them being forced to fight Somalia and Eritrea

It's been just 30 years since they finally got enough freedom to recover what they had lost

>>17867020
Cannibalism and slavery were allover the world. Hansel and Gretel itself was actually a reference to the time medieval Europe fell into a little ice age. The siblings were kicked out because the parents might eat them.

Ritualistic cannibalism does not exist in Christian nations

>>17867036
The Derg was merely carrying the imperial actions Haile Sellassie was doing. You do know Haile also engaged in food cut off as a tactic right?

>recover what they had lost
Recover what?

>>17866935 (OP)
>how would you fix it
stop feeding them and the problem will fix itself

also stop giving them ammunition. getting rid of their guns is basically impossibly, but not giving them more bullets should be done immediately.

>>17867042
Christianity or Islam doesn't solve anything. You need to push modernity onto africans by force. Also made up break up countries where ethnic violence is bound to flare up.

>>17866935 (OP)
These shitholes are meant to be human farms for the western elite. There’s no point in improving these countries because that would make people want to keep living there when they were literally born to migrate to Europe and contribute to the European GDP. All the aid they get is meant to keep their massive birthrates up rather than actually improve anybody’s material conditions.

>>17867139
>You need to push modernity onto africans by force.
Why does it need to be done by force? Seems like a way to justify abuse and crackdowns by shitty technocrats.

>>17867058
>stop feeding them and the problem will fix itself
Population would still increase. The idea aid contributes to that is a total meme. The west's Fertility rate autism is pretty much a cover to engage in creep race narratives and projection.

>also stop giving them ammunition. getting rid of their guns is basically impossibly, but not giving them more bullets should be done immediately.
There is nothing wrong with owning guns or having a proper military.

>>17867139
Christianity IS modernity
No magic, no mandate of heaven, and no witch hunting

You may not believe this, but these 3 are MAJOR economies that keeps society backed in the muck. Secular education has killed the idea of mysticism, but outside of Christians and Christian-vassal states, it is very much alive, very real, and it is foolish to try and "improve" the place without first laying the groundwork

India is a shithole because the caste system keeps the skilled people out
Africa is a shithole because the witch-hunting keeps the skilled people out
Islamic nations are shitholes because the apostate huntings keeps the skilled people out

>>17867157
>Secular education has killed the idea of mysticism, but outside of Christians and Christian-vassal states
Lmao fucking retard.

>>17867159
You heard me., bitch
What is a woman

>>17867157
>keeps the skilled people out
You use this as a shitty cop out explanation.

>>17867153
their population only can increase because surplus grain is funneled into africa, they are not capable of feeding themselves beyond the barest of subsistence farming and mass agriculture is completely outside of their capabilities. Stop feeding africa and the population will crash immediately back to what it should be, tribal and subsistence levels.

they can not manufacture arms, and so if munitions are not provided for them they will exhaust their ability to use such things against one another fairly rapidly. I speculate that they return rapidly to a pre-metalurgical society if such technologies are not provided to them through trade because they have not the capacity of industry or intellect to generate such of their own accord.

What we have done was irresponsible, providing them with things they neither understand or can create on their own, with which they do great harm to one another.

>>17867164
It is not shitty
Every single "Great Thinker" in Islam was accused of apostasy and heresy. They were only protected by the Abbasid Empire, which was actually Persian.
When they died, the Caliphs had free reign to kill all who the capacity to think

>>17867167
>they are not capable of feeding themselves beyond the barest of subsistence farming and mass agriculture is completely outside of their capabilities.
They can feed themselves. The reality is that they need foreign currency more so they either have to sell cash crops for real currency or sell food crops and only get local currency that gets halved in value in about 5 years. For all those cash crops they grow , it means food crops take a hit. The grain influx only was done because low quality Ukrainian/Russian grain was used to make the shift to full on cash cropping seem sensible because it was assumed the supply would always would be stable. Until it didn't due to the war going on.

>they can not manufacture arms, and so if munitions are not provided for them they will exhaust their ability to use such things against one another fairly rapidly.
Why is having a military a bad thing in your eyes. You think every country has the US cover their military needs like NATO? You really are retarded if you think stripping firearms or military funding is a good idea.

>>17867173
>Every single "Great Thinker" in Islam was accused of apostasy and heresy
I rrally doubt that. Also weird to say that when such thi is have occurred elsewhere too on top of state persecution of scientists and artists for non-religious reasons.

>>17867185
It is like what would happen if you went to some remote pacific island and gave everyone there guns, ammunition, and unlimited food. That is africa today, and it is a travesty.

>>17867187
Persecution of skilled people for non-religious reasons happens out of business reasons

It is significantly smaller as it doesn't involve the ordinary men. In fact, the ordinary folks have every reason to protect the thinkers as they are the ones who always reap the rewards

>>17867190
Again, your hyperbole isn't working out for you. Kinda weird to alos bring up the whole food angle when everyone needs exports to maintain their modern diet variety. Not to mention how prevalent onions and palm oil is to most industries

>>17866935 (OP)
Stop with the interventions and cut off NGOs

>>17867194
>non-religious reasons happens out of business reasons
Not really. Its way way more varied then that. The guy who helped the Chinese go nuclear was fucked over by the US because they assumed him being Chinese made him a security threat so they put him in house arrest and treated him like shit.

>It is significantly smaller as it doesn't involve the ordinary men
Lmao. Whistleblowers get fucked so much and their figurative (and literal) corpses are mountain-tall

>>17867206
Whistleblowers benefits the ordinary men

You seem to be misunderstanding the ideological difference between hired thugs and a mob with pitchforks

>>17866935 (OP)

>>17867214
>Whistleblowers benefits the ordinary men
Yet they continually get fucked by the state. On top of that most "common men" don't really grasp the work those whistleblowers do. Mainly due to media PR, slander and the reality that whistleblowing pretty much kills your career so most people don't do it.

>>17867198
I stand by my solution to the africa problem: pull the plug on all aid of all types and they will sort themselves out by returning to monkey immediately.

>>17867219
I know, mate
And that's the stark contrast
If religion is not the cause of oppression of skilled men, it is often very localized, shortlived, expensive, and bound to collapse when people slowly realize the truth
Look at what the internet did to the media for example. They are pretty much useless now

But when it is religious, it can instigate a moral-panic that can last for as long as they reject Christianity

>>17867036
italians didn't kill enough, italian east africa under italian rule would be one of the best function states in africa right now if they won

>>17867223
>pull the plug on all aid of all types
Thats not how it works.

>they will sort themselves out by returning to monkey immediately
Again you are retardedly assuming they only have contact with a few western states and nothing else which hasn't been the case for decades. Not directing this you in particular but of the type of people who send a guy to warn about the peril of infrastructure debt while also making use of the roads and conference center BUILT with it wouldn't grasp the reality that they aren't the focus of the developing world.