What if the word is hell and you are currently being tortured by not having a perfect life? and all non sinners always had a perfect life and your memory was wiped off?

this example tough exercise i mentioned is basically the same thing, a unfalsifiable claim that if true will make your life way worse

the fact that concepts this is are even taken serious in philosophy is weird to me, don't you have bigger questions to answer? things that actually affect people?

and the stress is real, i've seen people stressed over simulation hypotesis and i was one of them.

This sort of what if cenarios is how people with extreme anxiety think, however when philosophy does it it's okay somehow?

>>17867342 (OP)
You shouldn't avoid thinking about ideas just because they're stressful. You should only avoid thinking about ideas if they're blatantly wrong.

>>17867342 (OP)
>cenarios

>>17867342 (OP)
It only causes extreme anxiety in people whose genetics and upbringing are slave coded, the other people try to just see what works and use the ideas to their advantage and exploit it however they can usually to justify that taking advantage of others is not actually exploitation because other people aren't actually real.

>>17867342 (OP)
Calling what we see in front of us fake serves two purposes.
1) It undermines the confidence of the populace to ascertain what is real mad what isn't.
2) The above opens them up mentally to recieve mysticism, if they don't know what is and isn't real, you can just tell them shit. The comfort of "knowing" trumps the stress of "not knowing", even if it's a lie. Plato understood this, which is why his cave allegory is a retarded foot in the door for his even more retarded world of forms.

>>17867342 (OP)
>p-please bro, believe the illusion like I do
Nah, fuck that.

>>17867663
What you said is more an indictment of his concept of noble lies than the cave allegory or world of forms.

>>17868010
His cave allegory is nothing more than a failed refutation of the mind of man's capability to ascertain reality. "You can't know reality for sure, what if YOU are in the cave?" We aren't in the cave. There is no chairiest chair hanging inbetween space. It is an actual cognitohazard tricking you into doubting your own grasp of reality, we call it gaslighting nowadays but that sounds gay.

>>17868010
>>17868016
continued: to be fair, his noble lie idea is also part of the same argument, but it is mostly him coping that he should be the philosopher king without feeling guilty about it.

>>17868016
>There is no chairiest chair hanging inbetween space.
There is not sensiest sense organ either, they are all prone to illusion, there is good reason to doubt them as any child who as seen a monster in the dark can attest.

>>17868025
Thats how we design our experiments, to forego subjectivity. We don't feel when water boils, we use a thermometer.

>>17868027
Exactly, we leave the cave of our own mind and rely on external measurements because we know our mind is prone to error and not completely trustworthy.

>>17868031
Where we split is where you say that objectivity cannot be reached and therefore magic can be real, we say that using the scientific method means man CAN ascertain what is and isn't real, foregoing the need for magic.

>>17868035
I didn't say that though, I equated magic with noble lies.

>>17867342 (OP)
Philosophy explores extreme "what ifs" to test the limits of reason and perception. If you dismiss unfalsifiable claims outright, you’re just coping. Reality being fake or hell is unlikely, but questioning it forces you to justify your beliefs. Weak minds stress, strong minds sharpen. Stop seething, start thinking.

people can explore it without getting stressed, however it's still a uselles mental effort, at least with plato cave you can use it to question your general beliefs. It's way less specific so it can be used way more, while this "what if reality is fake thing", brings no advantage to people. However it brings one disavantage wich is stress. So i don't see why it is so useful, specially because

because you can never prove reality as fake or true, even in the real univerrse(whatever that would be, it might be ours), it would be impossible to do so. Then why question it so much?

>>17867342 (OP)
It's demonstrated to me every day that reality is fake because every day I'm being terrorized, abused, harassed, threatened etc for my literal thoughts in my mind by people who do everything they can to demonstrate that they are a hivemind with each other and that they are raping my mind.. The "stress and anxiety" comes from the fact that this is happening, not from thinking about it. Thinking about a problem is the natural thing to do, my mind getting raped is a problem, I want a solution to the problem, this required having a full understanding of the problem. People want to know the truth because they have a problem that they want a solution for and they hope that "the truth" will help them find a solution to their problem. My mid getting raped is a problem, the objective fact that I live in a fake reality as demonstrated by my mind getting raped every day is a problem. It's not "philosophy', it's a real life every day problem that required a solution.

this is why this pilosophy is bad, if you never got introduced to it you could at least get more hope, how many people like you exist?

this tought is basically a real life cognito hazard for some people, and for what? what advantages does it bring?