Do Spaniards really have the moral high ground?

>>17867922 (OP)
Genocide? Everyone in the former Spanish colonies is roughly 1/4 native at a minimum .

Catholics are always right.
>Crusaders vs Jihadists
Crusaders had the moral high ground on a self defense war against terrorism.

>Catholics vs Orthodox
Catholics had the moral high ground since Peter was given the keys of Heaven and the leadership

>Reconquista
Catholics had the moral high ground on a self defense war to restore what Jihadists jihaded in first place

>Protestant herery
Catholic had the moral high ground as stronghold of Christian tradition and theology.

>Irish vs English
Irish had the moral high ground as an oppressed minnority

>Spanish conquest of America
Spanish had the moral high ground as a Catholic nation aiding indefense tribes willing to convert to Christianity from the reigns of terror of cannibalistic bloody lawless pagan empires

>Napoleonic wars
Catholics did hold millennary Christendom roots of monarchy and Christinity against a pope killer heretic greaser bully and his luciferian Freemasonic thuggs

>>17867959
> Catholics are always right.
Even when catholic priests are raping children?

>>17867922 (OP)
This image made me gut laugh

Opposing human sacrifice is a moot point when you approve of public executions, which is a secular version of human sacrifice.

>>17868038
Never happened.
Those catholic priests are actually masonic communists and homosexual as well.
Praise Maria.

>>17867949
Everyone from Mexico to Chile looks more Spanish than Amerindian, that's textbook genocide

>>17868044
No they don’t and that isn’t textbook genocide. There’s no coherent definition of genocide.

>>17867922 (OP)
No. An especially not the conquistadors among the spaniards specifically.

>>17867922 (OP)
Mexicans are funny. They want to larp as Spaniards while claiming colonization ruined their gay cannibalism civilization.

>>17868267
A smarter person would realize he is talking about two separate groups of mexicans here. That appears to be beyond the capacities of the average user here though.

>>17867959
>Catholics had the moral high ground since Peter was given the keys of Heaven and the leadership
All bishops hail from Saint Peter, not just the Bishop of Rome you faggot.

>>17868340
Yeah, I hate to see dirt flinging between the Apostolic Churches

>>17867959
>crusader
>self defence
Lmao other way around
Islamic conquests liberated native MENA lands against euroaches
>>17867922 (OP)
Genocide ?
They mixed with them and created latinos

>>17868267
>They want to larp as Spaniards while claiming colonization ruined their gay cannibalism civilization.
shut up American retard. no one does this.

>>17868267
You've never met a Mexican in your life aside from the handful of equally terminally online losers like you on /int/.

>>17868522
>You've never met a Mexican in your life
That isn't true. They loiter outside home depot and cut my grass.

>>17868526
Mexicans haven't arrived in large numbers to work day labor jobs in over 20 years. Confirmed third worlder LARPing as American lmfao

>>17867949
>it's only genocide if you succeed

>>17868527
You are obviously brown, lying, and not a conquistador. Do you work in a meat packing plant or pick vegetables for a living?

>>17868041
It also doesn't help the fact that those who were in line to be sacrificed didn't want to be saved, and that the sacrifice numbers were overblown by Spanish writers.

>>17868531
All the narrative about saving and shit was formulated centuries after by retards who never actually went to the place.

If the spaniards had only dealt with nomadic natives like the portuguse and british it would be a nothingburger but they destroyed two civilizations and didn't even make a good use of all that gold and silver

Catholic morality is castration of children.
>>17867959
Catholic morality is cherrypicking.
>>17868042
Catholic morality is lying.

Not if they're defending conquistadors. They brought Old War diseases, genocide, and carnage to the Americas, all because of some gold.

>>17868044
Definitely not in southern Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador, Peru or Bolivia

>>17867949
So?
Genocide means, genociding the men and taking their women

Slightly, but yes

Don’t take my opinion seriously I only know about the Spanish and Aztecs from eu4

>>17868557
They destroyed two cannibal sister fucking civilizations and spent all that gold and silver saving Europe from Islamic conquest you ungrateful bong

>>17868529
>/int/ranny meltdown because he got caught lying about being from America

kek

>>17869119
They actually spent all that money actualizing Total Protestant Death. But whatever you want to believe.

>>17869123
I take it back... you definately work at mcdonalds or Walmart.

>>17869129
>actualizing Total Protestant Death
That would be a thousand times better if it were true

>>17869119
>saving Europe from Islamic conquest
How did blowing it all on retarded wars in the Netherlands save Europe from Islamic conquest?
>>17869134
>definately
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17867922 (OP)
Yuros : "oh yeah, those Barbarians need to be civilizated"

Also yuros when a women spoken without being called :

>>17869136
I never said they were succesful. But they tried. By god they tried.

>>17868526
The older ones clean my toilets lmfao. They ran custodial businesses out. They don't report taxes either.
>>17868527
Chicanx tranny meltdown

> spaniards genocided indios!!!
> also indios hopping my border as I type this

>>17867922 (OP)
>Do Spaniards really have the moral high ground?
They never claimed to. They simply filled a power vacuum after annihilating the Aztecs. It was conquistadors+cannibal savages vs cannibal savages. The idea that the tribes oppressed by the Aztecs were any less bloodthirsty is a myth made up by christcuck and tlaxcaltec chroniclers centuries later. There are even novo-hispanic sources that make ridiculous claims about prehispanic tlaxcalans being crypto-christians. These were likely written as an attempt to gain favor among local governments in the early years of conquest.

>Chicanx tranny meltdown

>>17869164
Kek

>>17869119
Carried by italians and germans

if 10 people insist on sacrificing 1 person to demons, it is justified to kill those 10 people, we can always make more people by breeding their widows (35-) and daughters (18+) and those people will be genetically superior due to aryan admixture

>>17867949
Almost everyone in the Americas has significant white ancestry, indigenous people are a minority almost everywhere except a few countries like Peru or Bolivia, speaks a European language, and practices religion brought over by the European colonists. Not to mention all the death and destruction and displacement. How is it not genocide?

>>17869156
>actualizing is when it doesn't actually happen
OK negro

>>17868528
>>17869011
>>17869623
>genocide is when you have sex

>>17869129
So getting rid of abrahamic heresies? Good.

>>17869623
>Conquistadors genocide natives but also latinx don't have white blood.
Seethe cope and dilate, latino self-identification ensures US will remain a white country for decades to come.

>>17867922 (OP)
>Do Spaniards really have the moral high ground?
>nooo, don't make us stop sacrificing and eating babies for our devil gods
>nooo, don't make us learn to read and write
>noooo, don't make us wash our asses with soap and teach us about basic hygiene
>nooo, don't give us the wheel and medicine

why are brown people like that?

>>17869772
>why are brown people like that
you're saying this as if the plague didn't almost exclusively kill off white europeans because they were so goddamn filthy all the time

>>17869772
>the spanish were cleaner, healthier and more literate than the natives
my sides

>>17867922 (OP)
>and the genocide will begin
actually made me laugh out loud, based

>>17867922 (OP)
>ASSTECS SACRIFICED 6 GORILION PEOPLE PER HOUR WITH STICKS AND STONES
>Germans in the 40s killing 6 million in a few years? Idk about that bro

>>17869011
No retard
Thats mixing
Genocide is when you murder men, women, children etc..
>>17869623
Latinos all have like 30 % native on average

>>17869623
>white
spaniards are nigger admixed moor rapebabies

>>17869895
>the spanish were cleaner, healthier and more literate than the natives
That is correct. The europeans introduced soap and medicine to the americas which lacked both.

Well it depends. The spanish didn't purposely try to exterminate anyone outside the taino and mapuchi. Yes 94 percent of the native american population died. But 99 percent of those who died were killed by diseases. Turbocurlosis and measles and smallpox wiped them out since they never had haany immunity towards it. The soanish also used many Indians as slave labor for the mines and plantations and pressed them into the army.

The good thing is they united warring tribes into 1 empire. Gave them all 1 language to speak. Laws. 1 army. Trade which connected them to the global trade routes. Protected those routes with their navy. I'd say it was mostly bad bc so many Indians died. But if many of them didn't die things would be a lot better.

>>17871434
>>17869895
>>17869772
>writing
The Maya script was a true writing system under the strictest definition

>Wheel
see pic

>Soap, hygine, medicine
This is the dumbest one, the Aztec had/did

>Fleet of civil servants who washed buildings and swept roads every day
>Said officials also collected waste from public toilets to reuse as fertilizers and dyes
>Bathing in steam bathes was done on a almost daily basis even for commoners, and traditional bathing was apparently even more common; some conquistadors thought smallpox was from them bathing so much
>People were expected to wash their hands, face, teeth, and sweep before and after every single meal multiple times a day, for everybody but the royalty and elderly to be clean shaven/to pluck their hairs
>Cleanliness one of the highest mortal virtues mentioned in sources on their ethics, some modern reconstructions of of aztec theology has dirt, a lack of order, sin etc acting as a sort of supernatural cosmic entropy causes bad luck and would destroy the world (which sacrifices, cleanliness etc counteracts)
>Huge corpus of pharmaceutical products for soaps, shampoos, body lotions, perfumes, breath freshers and toothpastes, one of few premodern societies to do preventative rather then just corrective dentistry
>Some aqueducts like pic related had switching mechanisms for easier/regular cleaning
>Structures were built with aromatic woods, with gardens in and around spaces for sweet smells, people would carry flowers, incense was regularly burned, etc
>Even architecture was designed to not have doors, palaces/civic buildings had large open courtyards to ward off miasma, they and other elite structures in turn were placed around large open plazas or again gardens (or gardens in palace courtyards)
>not taking care of your home, land plot etc could result in it being seized from you, similar ecological carelessness could be punished by death, allegedly littering too (tho I can't find a source for littering)

1/?

>>17872821
>>17869772
>>17869895
>>17871434
Cont:

Sources:
- ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1805201/
- ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1033639/
- researchgate.net/publication/22064112_Empirical_Aztec_Medicine
- "Precious Beauty: The Aesthetic and Economic Value of Aztec Gardens" , and other stuff by Susan Toby Evans,
- The Badianus manuscript, full color scans here: mediateca.inah.gob.mx/repositorio/islandora/object/codice:851, a english translated and annotated one is "An Aztec Herbal: The Classic Codex of 1552", you can find older versions of that published in like the 1910s to 30s for free under slightly different titles
- Florentine Codex, especially Book 10 and 11 but also others: florentinecodex.getty.edu
- muse.jhu.edu/pub/263/oa_monograph/chapter/2252724
- Cortes's Letters, Bernal Diaz's account, etc
- Encyclopedia of American Indian Contributions to the Worlds

Something I didn't mention is also that Cortes, Motolinía, and even Francisco Hernandez, Philip II's personal royal court physician and naturalist who litterally traveled to Mexico to document their botanical and medical practices, all talked about Aztec medicine and doctors being superior to Spain's

Various other Conquistadors, friars, and court officials all praise the Aztec and other Mesoamericans as being proper high cultures and sophisticated civilizations, and while I'm not really interested in debating which 500 year old militaristic society has the moral high ground (it's a stupid question and anybody who thinks there's an actual answer is stupid), plenty of them criticize Spanish actions and recgonigized that at least situationally aspects of Spanish conquest and colonialism wasn't just

This is just a small sample of quotes, moreso selecting for ones talking about recognizing that the Mesoamericans valued intellectualism and produced high art: >>>/v/716322542 >>>/v/716324741 >>>/v/716325865 >>>/v/716326547 >>>/v/716327371 >>>/v/716328771 >>>/v/716329637 >>>/v/716330829

2/2 probably