were there ever in history any good guy versions of people like 'trump' or 'hitler', or is every politician or powerful person supposed to be bad by default

>>17868825 (OP)
> Julius Caesar
A populist strongman who drained the swamp (Senate), built infrastructure, and got shanked by elites for it.
> Andrew Jackson
Absolute madman who told bankers to GTFO (killed the central bank) and won a war solo.

Even Hitler had pre-1939 based moment for 'saving Germany' from hyperinflation/degeneracy. The problem is that power corrupts, and history’s full of based-to-cringe arcs.

>>17868825 (OP)
I guess Atatürk is claimed as a good guy?
Pilsudski?

>>17868825 (OP)
Alexander
Jesus
Napoleon
Hitler
Washington
Jackson

George Washington is the right answer

Marcus Aurelius, Omar ibn khattab, George Washington, Lee Kuan Yew, Nelson Mandela

>>17868840
>Napoleon
Glorified warlord, bloodthirsty butcher

>>17868850
>Nelson Mandela
Literal terrorist

>>17868825 (OP)
Good guys and bad guys are all a matter of perspective.
Mostly humanity doesn't like barbarism, so massacring entire cities or having a systematic well-oiled genocide machine doesn't sit well with lots of people.
But most people believe of themselves that they are the good guys.

>>17868833
>>17868850
Lee Kuan Yew and Ataturk are the greatest two statesmen of 20th century

>>17868860
>Glorified warlord, bloodthirsty butcher
Is the janny gone? Why are troll posts allowed

>>17868825 (OP)

>>17869002
Based Lee Khan Yew enjoyer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGDqLeRuyCA

>>17868825 (OP)
Trump
Hitler
Cincinnatus
Timoleon
Gelon

>>17868825 (OP)
Cincinnatus