Ok, I want to get as good an understanding of propaganda as possible.
How do leaders use it and would it exist without hierarchy based systems like capitalism or any authoritarian flavour of socialism?
How does propaganda impacts subjects of it and outsiders that have to interact with those that completely buy in to the propaganda?

>>17869035 (OP)
Propaganda: systematic spreading of a political message that i don't agree with. If it's one i agree with, it's education, enlightenment, etc. The key is that it must be intentional and systematic in order to induce a desired result, Propaganda need not be all lies; you can propagandize with half truths, or positive truths about one's own side.

>>17869035 (OP)
I would start from the word itself

Propaganda is straight from the latin verb "propago", meaning "to spread" or "propagate", the verb is then conjugated in the gerundive tense; propaganda is in the neutral plural nominative/accusative case ending so the word literally means "the things to be spread"

>>17869035 (OP)
Propaganda is anything you can't debate against. If it's impossible or forbidden to criticize a claim it is a propagandistic one.

>>17869035 (OP)
>If it's one i agree with, it's education
lol, lmao even.
good meme

>>17869186
A lot of people don't know this, but "propaganda" was a positive term in communist countries. But it meant something different from what people usually think of when they think of propaganda (simplified emotional messages directed at the public, like "propaganda posters"). The word for that was agitation. Propaganda was more theoretical stuff aimed at party members (delivered through lectures or books). And they combined the term into the Orwellian-sounding term agitprop which comes from the fact that it was the same department that handled it: Department of Agitation and Propaganda.

>Visual Means of Agitation & Propaganda
(book from 1962)

>>17869235
I wonder if the soviet's positive view on propaganda is why their state sponsored propaganda looked so gorgeous in comparison to the west's

>>17869327
If you wanted to have any significant career as an artist, you'd end up working for the state, but the nature of the thing was that only praising the situation or criticizing the system's opponents was permitted. So you get high-quality images like that, but it was stifling for artists because anything new had to be examined and approved or disapproved. That also extended to experiments in form. Artists would want to come up with something new in style, but they had to express the correct ideas, and you'd think that wouldn't be a problem if they fit the correct ideas into the new syle/form, but it could be, and they'd have to wrestle with the system. During Stalin's time all forms of artistic expression (the form) that he personally didn't like were forbidden (and he didn't have great taste).

Capitalist countries have a different problem in that a lot of artists end up selling their soul to the market or what "sells."

>>17869035 (OP)
>How would you describe "Propaganda"?
anything that contradicts this very obvious truth

>>17869035 (OP)
Propaganda is art whose main purpose is to convince people of a political view. Usually it's pretty obvious when something is propaganda and what view it wants to convince you of, but sometimes it can be more subtle, trying to influence you without your even realizing it. Although the word has a negative connotation, propaganda doesn't necessarily lie or mislead as your pic suggests.

>How do leaders use it and would it exist without hierarchy based systems like capitalism or any authoritarian flavour of socialism?
It isn't just leaders who use it, it's anyone who wants to influence public opinion on politics. And yes, it would exist in any society, at least any that I can imagine.

>How does propaganda impacts subjects of it and outsiders that have to interact with those that completely buy in to the propaganda?
Propaganda can have a positive effect by bringing an important issue to people's attention, provoking much needed action, boosting morale, etc., but people whose minds are completely captured by propaganda become irrational and insufferable as they can't look beyond their biases.

>>17869035 (OP)
modern-day propaganda comes in the form of memes, particularly wojak memes