>China's been trying to crack down on the Internet... Good luck!
>*audience laughs*

>>17869639 (OP)
I never see conspiritards ever bring up the fact that the Internet was literally invented by the Department of Defense. Seems pretty ripe for conspiracy theories, like the idea that the internet was designed to distract everyone or spread propaganda or some schizo shit or another, I guess they don't want to go this route because they lack self-awareness and need the internet and social media to spread their own conspirislop.

>>17869639 (OP)
Why did they think authoritarian capitalist societies could exist? Singapore was basically what China modeled itself after. By 2000, it was clear that the CCP was only getting more powerful, not less.

And this speech makes no sense unless you had absolutely no foresight.

>>17869644
>the internet was designed to distract everyone or spread propaganda
Yes. We're all distracting each other and ourselves. And what is a meme but hyper-efficient propaganda? Occasionally, you (used to) see a genuine movement rise up and speak to power, but when was the last time that happened?

>>17869644
>I never see conspiritards ever bring up the fact that the Internet was literally invented by the Department of Defense.
That's because the guys who believe that live off the grid, retard, they're not posting on social media.

>>17869657
*couldn't

>>17869644
Posting is the best thing that ever happened to them. They won't badmouth posting.

>>17869661
> when was the last time that happened?
MAGA, and it suceeded.

>>17869664
I think it's oddly suspicious that there are no serious anti-social media movements out in the real world, just a bunch of zoomers that float the idea of "unplugging"

>>17869678
Pffft! Good one...

>>17869657
>And this speech makes no sense unless you had absolutely no foresight.
They thought they could put down China like they did with Japan

>>17869657
>>17869712
Xiang plz.

>>17869712
We did, but the economic relationship between the US and China is a conversation that the average Sinophile on the internet isn't ready to have

>>17869644
The internet was invented by the DoD but literally no one could have foresaw just what it was going to become when its first civilian iterations emerged. I am 100% positive that if the powers that be could go back and prevent it from ever getting into our hands at such an early date, they would. It took them 30 years to arrive at something approaching the 1% the levels of sanitization and control necessary to ensure it doesn't blow up in their faces. It is an evolution akin to the printing press or written language, an iterative stage in human development that will be observed for millennia.

>>17870044
>It is an evolution akin to the printing press or written language, an iterative stage in human development that will be observed for millennia.
I've seen others make this comparison, but I'm skeptical, because the printing press, and even written language itself, were both heavily gatekept for hundreds of years before the average pleb was able to access them. I think at best the internet has not been a net positive or negative for humanity. It's ability to disperse useful information is cancelled out by its affinity for spreading misinformation, which makes its net benefit to society pretty much nothing. We landed on the moon before we had internet for example, it's not as revolutionary as some people claim it is, rather it's evolutionary. For example, misinformation and disinformation also predate the internet, but I think Dark Enlightenment (neo-reactionary) values could only have been propagated as a result of the internet.

>>17870059
Written language and the printing press were not available to the masses because writing is hard to learn and the printing press was hard to manufacture and required upkeep + raw materials to actually print with. The printing press especially still got into enough people's hands, however, that significant geo-political shifts occurred as a result of its introduction and nation-states didn't really get a handle on it till centuries after its introduction -- arguably they still don't. The internet is in everyone's hands and requires little to no skills/resources to use, it is definitely a point of evolution for the human species.

Also right leaning thought emerges naturally, the internet may act as a modifier for its expression but a right wing revival has been brewing since 1945, its nexus will likely not be Europe this time but that's a different discussion.

>>17869644
It was created to feed artificial intelligence.

>>17870086
Cart before the horse, AI can only really exist in a world with internet. The internet does serve as a data collection tool but that is just one of the many uses. It's similar to the discovery of fire by early hominids, we will likely be discovering new uses cases for the next few epochs.

>>17870059
>but I'm skeptical, because the printing press, and even written language itself, were both heavily gatekept for hundreds of years before the average pleb was able to access them
Printing press literally caused Protestantism, largest religuos wars in Europe and as distant fallout creation of the USA. All because books making and reading became much less elitist.

>>17869712
Big Mistake.

>>17869680
>I think it's oddly suspicious that there are no serious anti-social media movements out in the real world
If there were anti-social media movements out there, you would have a much harder time finding them on the internet for obvious reasons, thus the paradox. In so far as such a movement is against using the internet, that very attribute makes it difficult to know if it exists if your own main source of information is the internet, and there are large amounts of people for whom this is the case. This would seem to restrain the reach of such a movement.

>>17869639 (OP)
Fast forward to USA pissing itself and trying to ban Chinese websites because they don't have pro-Israel censorship

>>17870119
TikTok is also banned on government devices in Australia, and Canada, is fully banned in Venezuela, is fully banned in India and Iran, and oh yeah it's also fucking banned in China itself and Chinese users are forced to using their own version of it (Douyin) so the fact that the USA doesn't even enforce its ban on the app is mental.

>>17869719
>We did
How?

>the economic relationship between the US and China is a conversation that the average Sinophile on the internet isn't ready to have
You have no explanation and are doing a cop out. Nice to know we have people employing boomer tactics on /his/

>>17870140
>TikTok is also banned on government devices in Australia, and Canada
You cant use potential call home devices with certain clearances in the government or finance work.

>>17870150
Whenever Chinas economy goes up, so does the USAs, because China is the USAs largest trade partner, and the product of Chinese goods is worth less than the value of American brands and services because of the difference in exchange rates between the Yuan and USD as a reflection in the differences in each respective countries standard of living. America will always make more money off of Chinese goods than the Chinese themselves, while China will have a higher manufacturing output in exchange because they need to compete with a global market in terms of manufacturing output while America doesn't. Being a service economy is more flexible than being a manufacturing economy, since the former can always find the lowest bidder to outsource to. China is effectively kneecapped economically as a result, since the only way to raise their living standards would be to raise the value of their economic output, which makes them less competitive on a global market. China has the HDI of Mexico and a per capita GDP less than the global average. The USA is in the top 20 and top 10 in this regard respectively.

>>17870140
>is fully banned in Venezuela, is fully banned in India and Iran
that's for entirely different reasons though, likely degeneracy or whatever they believe it to be

>>17869644
The internet was a flashbang of information. Yeah it caused a few millennials to figure it out, but for that vast masses it buried them under a landslide and future generations will never be able to discern fact from fiction or even history. Also >>17870086, I guarantee they knew they needed datamining way before computers were even invented. A lot of guys who get it do this >>17869664, but you don't get rich like that.

>>17869644
You just haven't been paying close enough attention, you probably don't even know the social media conspiracy involving DARPA's lifelog.

>>17869719
It goes beyond simple economics. The average young Japanese is fascinated by America, young Chinese aren't.

>>17870341
>I guarantee they knew they needed datamining way before computers were even invented
The theoretical work on Large Language Models only began during the 80s, ten years after the Internet became a thing.

>>17869657
Neoliberals are honestly some of the most ideological zealot people there are. They literally just intrinsically believe they are right, because their own propaganda tells them so.
They don't even have any meaningful framework or anything to how things actually function on a material level like Marxists do, it's just "Capitalism = Free market = Democracy = Good" that is the beginning and end of their thought processes.
Been arguing with Neoliberal fucktards, from standard redditors to literally academics and policy makers (live in Capital, worked in Government) and they genuinely do not believe they operate with any form of ideology, just that their inherent axiom beliefs are true because the West won the cold war or something.

>>17870158
You're engaging in the delusion that trapped and killed empires before.
Only material production matters in an economy, you cannot eat or shoot Gold. Service Economies are not more "flexiable" when push comes to shove, they can't do fucking anything. The UK for example, the model "service economy" can't even build a single fucking trainline anymore and the entire country materially is falling to bits.
By switching to a service economy, you end up mistaking money for wealth, and you just fund the material growth and strength of your rivals.

Is it possible the internet ever gets shutdown worldwide? I think it would greatly benefit this degenerate society.

>>17870838
you're talking, zhang? your country is not self sufficient when it comes of food, and your country has always been so deliciously vulnerable to famine throughout its entire history.

>>17869644
You're fucking retarded. Speak to anyone at least 20 years older than you, zoomie. It might actually blackpill you to find out how good life was before everyone had a parasocial image to uphold for the device in their pocket.

>>17871302
it was? i'm 32 and i don't recall any particular downgrade, except maybe for more immigrants.

>>17869644
Shitlibs will say weapons of war don’t belong in the hands of civilians but they say it using a literal weapon of war designed to mass target Soviet Tanks in the Fulda Gap for Hellfire ATGMs.

>>17870833
In the future when looking back at the 20th century they will say Germany won the space race and America won the race for mind control.

>>17871296
Think about what you just said. You just straight up agreed with him on the concept that material production is most important by pointing out China's weakness in food production (aka the most important material production).

>>17869682
Whether MAGA accomplished its political goals is different to whether or not they fomented a grass roots uprising against the Truth Regime.
They did in fact stage an uprising against the current Truth Regime. It looks like it is successful, independent of MIGAmutts actually getting what they want, they managed, in a decade, to put Leftism in full retreat and send ZOG into all hands on deck containment mode. Never since 1945 or 1991 has the US government had to take such an active role in containing/manufacturing public opinion.

>>17870838
That's all well and good on paper but that's not how the real world works. Empires have also been killed over the delusion that they're only worth the value of their product. Industrialism is the ultimate midwit ideology because it requires less mental energy to come to the conclusion that making things = good. They don't consider what those "things" supposedly are. Context is important. The US is still the second largest manufacturing economy after all

>>17871319
i didn't disagree with you, i said you're a hypocrite and you're extremely dependant on imports. despite what the party says, you're not self sufficient, and you can't provide the vast majority of goods and services your population wants.

>>17870532
Not the guy you were talking to but I just looked into that. That's so crazy bro. Every now and then I do learn something off of this terrible board.

>>17870158
>Yark yark yark
You literally said nothing. The global economy structure of raw materials at the bottom, industry second and services at the top is not a natural manifestation like Western economics (ideology) makes you think. The bottom aspects are the important ones and the cost of institutions required to sustain the faux-logic is evidence of this. You need to keep deposing global south dictators otherwise the logic will unravel.

Onto China, industry represents catching up technologically which equals capacity to wage war and ensure true sovereignty. Service sector in the vein of "Intellectual Property", which is what the West lives off of can only work in a system enforcing such barrier of entry and quite honestly rent-seeking. China showing no regard to it shows you how contrived it is. It can be bypassed by simply changing your underpinning philosophy. You can't do that with industry. You can't wish to produce steel.

What is happening is the unravelling of pan-americana. You can see USA acknowledging with shift to the Pacific. If China breaks the system, the Western parasitic party is over.

>>17870833
It's just the complacency that comes from Western dominance. But it's starting to be questioned now that it's unraveling. Look at Europe, they actually believed they could run their value based geopolitics while turning blind eye to the reality that US was propping them up security wise.

The ideology is also flawed in the same way. They don't understand that you need American military muscle, dollar and financial system control plus cultural and intellectual brainwashing to prop it up. And we can run a simple analysis. We assume that raw materials are worth less. But this is only a manifestation from European colonial extractive system. If Ghana and Ivory Coast today decided to stop growing cocoa coz the locals don't even consume it per se and grow something like Cassava, the Swiss chocolate manufacturers and gamblers in Wall Street wouldn't have it. They would rectify with a coup. Same thing if Kenya was like uhh we won't waste water growing flowers anymore for companies registered in the Netherlands, etc.

>>17870833
You're totally correct. They've been so brainwashed that they don't understand that the global economic system is akin to the King's court sending soldiers to take share of farmers output in the old days. But it wrapped in ideology called economics to make it look "natural." They call it free market when it is anything but so.

IP is simply a mechanism for rent seeking and establishing a barrier of entry. You also have to create a cope philosophy like what hobbes did for nation states to claim that people can own ideas. Hahaha. All it takes is for one powerful entity (China) to reject the notion and suddenly it means nothing. This is why the real policing is done by US global bases and the textbooks they publish to re-educate the world. But they are blind to this and actually believe there's free markets.

>>17871324
>MAGA accomplished its political goals
It sure did: make people dissatisfied with, as you put it, the "Truth Regime" fall in line by supporting its controlled opposition.
>They did in fact stage an uprising against the current Truth Regime
Emphasis on "stage," yes.

>>17872861
I love how you asked for a concise answer, were given a concise answer, and your response is just "no u" . Nobody cares what you think by the way, because it's not reflective of reality in anyways and you're just injecting some cringe third worldist LARP that just isn't there. You don't even need to be an economist to understand how the relationship between the US and Chinas economy works anon, you just need eyeballs and willingness to read some basic graphs to understand what's going on. The US and China actually maintain fairly good relaions

>>17869639 (OP)

>>17870558
>The average young Japanese is fascinated by America, young Chinese aren't.
The average Jap doesn't give a fuck about America, if anything ironically the Chinks are more interested in America than them.

>>17872978
>Muh graph
China has become the most important trading partner of every country on earth and when it's economy was growing at 8% per year so was everyone. Even Africa had an African rising narrative throughout the 2000s to 2010s based on this.

US and the West realized their folly of jumpstarting China manufacturing dominance and are trying to reshore way too late. China is already going to dominate the EV era among other things. Of course China wants America and Europe as the main consumer markets to keep buying. They don't actually want Americans dead. This is how the colonial economy worked as well. Britain would make shoes and sell to Africans, they didn't want them dead just down and without leverage like the West is now.

Now unpack American GDP count and show me how much of that is consumer spending vs govt and invest spending. Like 8 of the 10 busiest ports are in China and you're hear in denial showing graphs. Why is America pivoting to Asia then? To be even closer to China? Lol. Why is China trying to bypass American financial system? To lessen the control burden on their fwends?

>>17872978
>Be Amerimutt
>70% of your GDP is consumer spending
>Said consumer spending is propped up by credit and dollar's artificial shield from inflation
>Watch in your lifetime China become the most important country for everyone's supply chain
>Watch in your lifetime USA and Europe become less relevant as they live off rent seeking (((IP)))
>It's all good bro le graphs are going up

>>17873940
Seethe.

>>17873951
Cope muttoid.
>The Pentagon is pressuring Indo-Pacific allies Japan and Australia to clarify what roles they would play in the event of a war with China over Taiwan. Elbridge Colby, the Pentagon’s policy chief, raised the question during recent meetings with Japanese and Australian defense officials, the Financial Times first reported

>>17869639 (OP)
This just proves that Westerners including their elites smelled and loved their own end-of-history fart. Thankfully this 600 aberration is about to come to an end. Europe is already dead. It has median age of 45 hahahaha

>>17872861
>>17873921
>>17873940
You lost bro

>>17873951
These guys started jumping to "EU/Euro state will collapse" vids

>>17870158
>>17872978
I think you just caused that brownoid to have a complete crashout lmao. It's actually amazing how economically illiterate Sinophiles are yet also how confidently wrong they consistently are. That's fine though, they can believe whatever they want to believe. China still has the HDI of Mexico, a per-Capita GDP less than the top 60 and less than the global average, and a nominal GDP that trails behind the US despite having 1.4 billion people while the US still maintains its position as the second largest industrial economy. Denying reality is what Sinochuds do best I guess
Watch as their response to me is just going to be
>Muh raw metal!
>Muh ports!
>muh Africa!
>Muh EU (they're third worldists so they must also seethe at the EU even if they're not part of this conversation)

>>17874137
HDI is a flawed Western metric that ignores holistic development. Per-capita GDP? Look at total GDP fucking that what defines a great power. Luxembourg is rich but irrelevant. China aggregate strength drives global influence. The West obsesses over individual wealth while China builds collective prosperity and strategic dominance. Numbers don't lie fucking scale matters.

>>17874075
Americans have Klarna. How the fuck are people putting themselves in debt for McDonald's?

>>17874137
The EU is a dead corpse walking though.

>>17874137
>Muh HDI
Take a look at a random Chinese coastal city and tell me if it looks like Mexico

>>17874158
>HDI is a flawed Western metric that ignores holistic development
Cope. HDI is based on Life Expectancy at Birth, and Standard of Living as measured by Gross National Income weighted by Purchasing Power Parity per Capita. Plenty of non-western Countries are considered high on human development, such as the UAE, Singapore, South Korea, and Japan, it's a relevant metric in this case because it's meant to demonstrate why China and the US/EU have these economic discrepancies, as its reflected in each respective countries/economic blocks value of their product
>Look at total GDP fucking that what defines a great power.
We can do this as well, but whenever we do look at nominal GDP I've always had Sinophiles tell me that's also fake. Relative to Chinas population, their economic output is actually extremely poor and trails behind the US despite the US having a fraction of the population. Typically it's more useful to measure things like Per Capita GDP to evaluate living standards anyways

>>17874176
>All of China is Beijing guys

>>17874166
Anon
>Klarna Group plc, commonly referred to as Klarna, is a Swedish fintech company

>>17874137
>HDI
Kek. HDI is flawed metric that weighs GDP Per Capita, Literacy and Life Expectancy equally and also puports these are comprehensive proxies to measure development. I like how Westoid copers usually think their ideology is God's law. Here are facts. China is the biggest manufacturing goods exporter. 8 of the 10 busiest ports are in China. China is the first or second biggest market across several parameters on earth (retail, car sales, box office, etc.). Center of gravity has shifted to China and even USA military acknowledges this.

Westoids also like to use Nominal GDP simply because it fits the perception of (((investors))). They don't like GDP PPP that measures the domestic economy and how people actually live, a metric that shows China surpassed American economic size eons ago. The IP economy is ideological pixie dust. China has proven this. A country like South Korea maintaining its industrial base proves this.

There's no US position. 70% of your economy is consumer spending. This is reality. You have a financialized economy with software companies worth 2,3,4 trillion lolololo. 25 years ago most countries had US as their main economic partner and now it's China. These are real tangible things.

>>17874183
It's not just Beijing, it's pretty much the entire coastal area. The divide between the rural inland and the coast has always been a thing in China's history.

>>17874183
>Beijing
Hahahahaha. You're ignorant. Top 10 country divisions by GDP has 5 US States, 4 Chinese provinces and England (constituent of UK). China is dynamic while America discusses whether women have cocks or not at Presidential Debate level. Kek

>>17874188
>They don't like GDP PPP that measures the domestic economy and how people actually live, a metric that shows China surpassed American economic size eons ago.
Actually, the United States is in the top 10 in this regard when weighted per capita, whereas China isn't in the top 60

If we measure it by Purchasing Power Parity weighted to nominal GDP, then we see China surpass the United States, but we also see the United States firmly in second in this regard as well, and since we don't look at these things in a vacuum, it's plain to see the United States currently holds far more economic power than China does

I'm sorry anon, but just calling metrics you don't like "fake" isn't a real argument. HDI is compiled by the United Nations Development Programme, China is part of the UN are they not?

>>17869639 (OP)
The way China regulates the internet, it's very genius. And we need to seriously start learning from them, because I think China is not only on ironically, the most based country on earth, it is something that we badly need in the West right now, with what it's happening with all this out of control. Liberalism and out of control individualism. No one respects the President anymore. No one respects their leaders anymore. No one respects authority or respects their teachers, their parents or authority figures in general or the police.We need to put an end to that.We need to bring back law and order in the united states for example. You know, maybe you should think twice before you say something online. Now, we're not talking about saying something offensive, I could care less. If you say something that's not woke, it's actually, if you say something that's woke, that's actually more offensive. And it's probably something you shouldn't say. Like if you say something that invites mental illness like there are more than two genders or that racism still exists you probably should be investigated for that for marxism for example in the united states

>>17874211
>The way China regulates the internet, it's very genius
They don't regulate it well enough because this thread clearly shows there's too much Great Firewall containment breaches

>Chinese economy - manufacturer of the world. No value chain even American military industrial complex can run without it.
>American economy - 70% consumer spending getting JP Morgan credit card to watch remake #100 of Superman.
I would also be seething if I was American.

>>17874217
You lost, find a new hill to die on anon

>>17874188
>Westoids also like to use Nominal GDP
lmao, you were already called out for this
>>17874180
>We can do this as well, but whenever we do look at nominal GDP I've always had Sinophiles tell me that's also fake.
Changs absolutely flailing right now

>>17874200
1. Per Capita is flawed. It doesn't measure median or distribution. And when we're comparing nation states we compare state apparatus capacity (tax, industry, etc ) so have to necessarily focus on totals.
2. Yes US presently owns the control levers in dollar, SWIFT, institutions like IMF and intellectual discourse. But it is in decline in relative terms. Global Trade now depends on China.
3. The choice of metrics is ideologically loaded not neutral as you seem to think. Westoid institutions will configure ones to produce a completing narrative.

>per capita gdp is fake
>hdi is fake
>nominal gdp is fake
How deep does the Sinophile rabbit hole go bros?

>>17874236
Global trade has "belonged" to China for nearly 20 years now, it's not exactly reflective of what you think it is, it's actually kind of Chinas problem, because they got this way by being competitive on a global market with lower value economic output than its competitors.

>>17874239
>If Bezos gets in a room we all become billionaires bro
>Good health and bad education is the same same as Bad health and good education. The calculations prove it's all fungible bro.
>We must measure the economy in the manner most convenient for bankers bro. Looking at purchase basket is too complicated bro.
So the stories about American education are true?

>>17874261
PPP is meme stat. State literally can't purchase weapons/minerals/fucking food (or sell) with it and that's what fucking matters the most.

>>17874249
Haha. Value argument is so 1990s man. China leads because it has most comprehensive supply chain i.e if I want to make a tractor I can get all the components down the road quite unironically. This is what makes it difficult now for anyone to outdo China. They produce for both Western and Global South markets competitively. Not to mention stuff like Germany's auto-industry is now tied to China as its main market.

The problem has become the West's hence the term reshoring dominating the news cycle. They gave away the goose. The colonial logic was that Europe makes things and colonies buy them. US shifted to one where the West just does rent seeking and everyone else does the mining and manufacturing. And they could contain it as long as everyone kept to within their roles in the game enforced by military and Western multilateral institutions. China decide to go all revisionist and it brought problems.

>>17874261
Why does China have the same level of homelessness as the US (0.17% of the overall population)?

>>17874281
Kek. They can though. PPP is a proxy for productive capacity in the country. Nominal is just exchange rate i.e ties to the Dollar system.
Why do you think that Russia with a supposedly Italy sized economy as per Nominal metric is able to position itself as an adversary warranting American attention? They have resources, which is a dirty word in the West. You guys prefer beep boop computer icons ((economy))

>>17874283
Well, American greatness, which is what Trump is trying to restore, is when we were on top of the world. And the third world countries, or as I like to call them the turd world we're still dirt, poor and they weren't flooding Europe, and they were not flooding. The west, they were buying stuff from us. We weren't buying stuff from them. They bought stuff from us, because we built it better than them. Now they're building it's, and they're humiliating us, and that's not okay. China does not deserve to be on top of the world. America does because America is the land of opportunity. America is the shining city on the hill. America is the new world. China used to be backwards. It is a country of peasants, as Vice President j. D vance says they're a bunch of peasants, compared to us.

>>17874303
>Why do you think that Russia with a supposedly Italy sized economy as per Nominal metric is able to position itself as an adversary warranting American attention?
They can't though, Americans have wanted to maintain neutrality regarding Russia and the Pentagon has already released statements calling them a non-credible threat

>>17874315
MAGA! Absolutely agree. Americans are a blessed people, our founders are our heroes, our great constitution is our bible and God is our father. MAGA! President Trump will make America great again. We're a Christian nation founded by Christian leaders. Christians are now getting the shaft. I am here to testify against this evil group of people who are using God to advance their own wicked agenda, which is to behead Christians, which is exactly what they're trying to do to Christian conservatives today. These are Godless, Satanic people, folks, who are doing the will of their god, which is Satan, in order to kill Christians in this country.

>>17874303
NTA but it's a dumb hill to die on in any case because the US still has the second highest nominal PPP and is the second largest manufacturing economy, so it can be reasonably assumed they are capable of self-suffiiency when push comes to shove. It just would be retarded to do that though, because then everything would just be too expensive unless working wages were scaled to meet the value of said product, and then the US just becomes the new China at that point. The truth is that nobody actually wants to be China

>>17874315
The reason the West won't solve any of its problems is because y'all are detached from reality. Immigrants were brought in by your elites, the same ones who deindustrialized your countries, the same ones who captured all productivity gains of the last 30-40 years. But you won't deal with that issue. Instead you'll make up a "turd world" boogey man.

Europe has a median age of 45. Africa has a median age of 19, that is Africa has a population of children that is equivalent to the entire European population (700 million people give or take). Demography is destiny and these people will take over. So if you're whining about immigration, I don't know how you'll handle it in 20 years. They will migrate. Humans have done this for years. This is how we have 4 million white people in South Africa, migration.

Thanks for the Hollywood movies btw. I always liked America, more than Europe anyway, but you huffed the end-of-history fart too deep.

>>17874341
I'm fine with african migrants. Modern europeans are low quality people who demand too much but afraid of working hard (and at decent wages). It's only make sense for them to be replaced by more handy breed, obedient and less arrogant.

>>17874341
I think it's pretty safe to say that third worldists are still operating on a 20th century mindset based on your post so I don't think Europe or the US has anything to worry about

>>17874318
>non-credible threat
>Meanwhile main geopolitical issue that side of the world is how Europe needs to relieve America of policing burden so it can focus on China

>>17874325
Americans on 4chan always make me lol hard. The West losing relative economic dominance would present hard times. You need the world to use dollars, transaction via Western financial systems, adhere to the Western imposed (((rules based order))) to retain your way of life. Why? You have a rent seeker economy. The Nominal narrative is important to teach students later to become elites worldwide that the West is still ahead and their systems work. It's part of the ideological brainwash.

If Ghana and Ivory Coast decided that they don't want to grow cocoa anymore and instead move to some crops to export to Nigeria, the Swiss chocolate manufacturers would have nothing to do. The Wall Street gamblers would see Nestle ((valuation)) go up in smoke. This is why in the prevailing circumstances any leader who came to pursue such a path in those countries would get couped by Western apparatus.

>>17874372
>Americans on 4chan always make me lol hard.
Because they have hard facts, utilize logical arguments, and your response to them throughout this thread has just been loaded language?

I think giving third worlders access to the internet was a massive mistake

>>17874347
Yeah they don't. This is why a desperate America was swayed in the elections by a bunch of billionaires saying they're not part of the system and will destroy it. Lmao. I don't want to get into Europe which is a clusterfuck.

>>17870532
Wow, the infrastructure exists already for LifeLog and I guess they gave Palantir the money to build it.

>>17874380
>hard facts
>logical arguments
You're just stunned that your /pol/ world isn't true. Yes, the world is more complex than you thought sweetie

>>17874384
What /pol/ world views? /pol/ is full of Third Worldists who believe HDI and GDP are also fake, you're no better than those retards

>>17874398
What matters is raw productions. You can't win war with GDP or HDI.

>>17874239
To be fair HDI is fake, but it's fake in a way that would make mainland China look even worse than it already is.

>>17874400
But the US is still the second largest industrial power as well so that's hardly a hill to die on

>>17874398
No, I told you that the metrics are flawed and in many cases not neutral. You still talk if turd world and still talk like a time traveller from 1990.

>>17874425
You lost.

>>17874372
>If Ghana and Ivory Coast decided that they don't want to grow cocoa anymore and instead move to some crops to export to Nigeria, the Swiss chocolate manufacturers would have nothing to do. The Wall Street gamblers would see Nestle ((valuation)) go up in smoke. This is why in the prevailing circumstances any leader who came to pursue such a path in those countries would get couped by Western apparatus.

This is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever read on a board dominated by 65IQ drooling retarded brown 'tradcath' manchildren. Why the fuck would Ghana and the Ivory Coast stop preparing goods for profitable export to the west and start growing fucking wheat or rice or whatever to export to Nigeria for 1/100th the price and profits. This is so prima facie retarded it's barely even worth addressing, you obviously just have a hate-boner for the west and desperately want knuckle-dragging nigger subhumans (maybe you feel a kinship?) to start sabotaging their own economies because it would hurt global supply chains. And it's even more retarded than that because if they actually did this then the European support systems that you parasitically leach off would collapse too. Nobody wins in your braindead scenario

>>17869644
yeh it was invented as a self correcting communication system that can keep going in the event of nuclear attack taking out communication systems.

>>17874436
Like 99% of that guys posts are not worth addressing. It would take an entire novel to explain to that retard why everything he says is wrong. It seems like he's a genuine, brown third worlder and his only context of the real world is his third world education system

>>17874436
Haha because they don't actually capture much value from that supply chain. They only grow cocoa because they inherited the colonial political economy. They've not done any reforms.

Your premise is typical Western delusion. You actually think everything is happening because of muh comparative advantage and not an economic control system. IMF literally put conditionalities on this countries to keep this kind of gravy train growing. You're actually funny.

>>17874450
And you are an American who literally interacts with nothing but 4chan. You actually think that the global economy is some kind of free market operations. The West wouldn't be tripping about Chinese revisionist attitude if this was the case. America, which can't even decide if women have penises or not agrees that China is the big threat to their post WW2 global order.

Everything you say is actually just textbook superficial stupidity. You miss the ideology underpinning it.

>>17874436
>Why the fuck would Ghana and the Ivory Coast stop preparing goods for profitable export to the west and start growing fucking wheat or rice or whatever to export to Nigeria for 1/100th the price and profits.
Cocoa profits are almost nothing. They only grow it because they need foreign currency and thus have to pick that over actual food sufficiency. Importing shitty Ukrainian/Russian grains and expensive Asian rice to cover the difference is what they do to "compensate". The profits margin for cocoa are so ass they have to use child labour becuase no adult will work for that ass wage

>>17874484
Thank you. These Americans have a very capeshit view of the world. They actually think that a country like Kenya benefits from wasting water to grow flowers while having deficit in maize and wheat. They think Ghana wants to sell cocoa beans lmao.

>>17874484
And the collapse of Ukraine and the blockages on both sides means that places like Egypt which used to grow many types of grains before switching to cotton based on the advice of "advisors" had to deal with the fallout because even with currency to import low quality wheat, the market supply crashed.

>>17874478
>IMF literally put conditionalities on this countries to keep this kind of gravy train growing.
Yes, the evil IMF giving loans to third world shitholes on the conditions that they *gasp!* hold their end of the bargin and create a return on investment. How evil of the IMF for Ghana and Côte d’Ivoire to accept economic assistence they didn't need to accept so they can focus their economy on nominal growth.

>>17874490
This is too much nuance and moving parts for the American on /pol/ IV drip. Give them something simple like Egypt turdie, Egypt Muslim, Egypt bad. USA stronk.

>>17874491
Hahaha. You know nothing. But I'm impressed by how Western ideology is entrenched in your head. Brilliant.

No, it's more like you need dollar which America just prints to do anything in the global economy. You have to reconfigure your economy to how we tell you so you can access dollars.

Third worlders currently having a complete crashout and blaming Americans and the EU for why they'reunderdeveloped losers
>Economic assistance is bad actually!
Then don't accept economic assistance
>G-ghana doesn't want to grow cocoa beans!
Then don't accept conditionalities to grow cocoa beans

Even if your schizoid delusions were true, it just makes you retards look even more pathetic.

>>17874491
>the evil IMF giving loans to third world shitholes on the conditions that they *gasp!* hold their end of the bargin and create a return on investment.
And demolish state institutions and enter a state of back to back austerity. Anon, even the IMF admitted it fucked up horribly and lead to alot of suffering in Europe and abroad. Don't you see the contradiction in telling states to cash crop hardcore yet tell them not to invest in subsidies, farmer support and long term sustainability?

>>17874501
It's weird seeing you come up with weird conversations in your head. No one is calling for your head on a pike or saying Brussels must be conquered by the Slavic hordes.

>>17874501
The ones coping are Westerns though. Old populations. Pessimistic youth. The world is changing. USA has been trying to get likes of Angola and DRC to side with it over China over Rare Mineral access but they're losing coz they lack talking points.

>>17874504
You're dealing with an ignoramus who has probably spent 10 years on 4chan learning nothing. He can't understand but at least you've seeded some nuance and knowledge in his head. In time they will germinate.

>>17874315
>The west, they were buying stuff from us. We weren't buying stuff from them.

American industrialisation and manufacturing is why feminism was invented and the American birthrate collapsed dumbass.

The atomised American nuclear family of one or two children with working mother arose due to manufacturing.

>>17874283
>China decide to go all revisionist and it brought problems.

If China went revisionist, Philippines would not exist.

Philippines and Indonesia are both plagues with separatist guerrillas. If China actually supplied them with weapons and spammed images of Filipino soldiers killing civilian minorities things would go to shit for the US very fast.

>America is why my country is a poor shithole
How did this thread devolve into this?

>>17874542
Thirdies came into this thread simping for China and left seething about America. It's amazing how often this happens

>>17874524
Birthrate is a function of carrying capacity, which is a function of living standards. Countries like Somalia are hardly manufacturing powers, "dumbass"

>>17874519
Say this another 50 times, say HDI is fake, say Per Capita and Nominal GDP are Fake, keep saying China has the advantage from having to appeal to the lowest common denominator on a global market, despite being told the contrary, please keep saying these things, you look smarter every time you do.

>>17874554
My favorite part is when he said Voluntary IMF Loans were a bad thing

>>17874557
He thinks Americans forced Ghana to grow cocoa beans and that Ghana and the Ivory Coast apparently have no agency or real government

>>17874560
He also said this after having to backpedal when he was called out on Chinas economic influence because America being the global boogeyman still has to be part of his script

>>17874398
GDP literally is fake though. What matters is actual raw resources, of which America only has a dwindling number.

>>17874582
>raw resources
The United States also has more "raw resources" than China though, with total value estimated to be around $45 trillion. China imports much of their resources from Africa and Russia

It's impressive how every single claim a third worldist makes can easily be debunked by a single google search

>>17874593
why tf did Rassiya invade Ukraïne if they already got so many minerals?

>>17874657
Pan-Slavist autism mostly, same reason why Germany invaded Austria and Poland