Why did Germany impose such a harsh treaty on Russia at Brest-Litovsk, only to later resent the Treaty of Versailles for its severity

Who was running Germany when they did that? Because when you say Germany, you're referring to someone.

>>17870779 (OP)
Because the czar was doing pogroms n shiet.

>>17870779 (OP)
Versailles was harsher though.

>>17870821
>let go of some small territories that don't have majority germans living in them anyway
>pay us some money that we will forgive you in a few years anyway
>don't build a big army to chimp out again
nah

>>17870786
Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
signed on 3 March 1918
Kaiser Wilhelm II, German Emperor
Vladimir Lenin, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic

Treaty of Versailles
signed on 28 June 1919
Friedrich Ebert, President of the Weimar Republic
Vladimir Lenin, head of the Bolshevik government

>>17870779 (OP)
German history and germanic apologism (the latter mostly coming from mutts) can be summed up as
>Germ chimps out and justifies it with
>"Might makes right ahahaha"
>Germ gets its due and cries
>"WTF NOOOO NOT KIKE THAT UNFAIR"

>>17870821
Belarus was the most industrialized part of Russia.
Ukraine was the most populated (and fertile) part of Russia
Caucasus was the most resource rich part of Russia.

The Germans lost nowhere near that.
The Germans were mostly pissed over the war guilt paragraph, which was a deliberate misinterpretation.

>>17870779 (OP)
Germans do not understand the concepts of human empathy and fairness. Take a look at how the allies forgave half of Nazi Germany's war debt after WW2 but the Germans won't even forgive 0.001% of Greece's debts nowadays

>>17870779 (OP)
Because Germany actually occupied this area.
Meanwhile the German army was still in Belgium and Ukraine when the armistice was signed and then they suddenly lose Danzig, Posen, Silesia, Schleswig, etc.

>>17871141
Why is this an argument?

>>17870779 (OP)
>>17870786
This is kind of a good point since Woodrow Wilson stated that any peace with a democratic government would be generous and civilised, instead when the Germans couped their own government they received a diktat that they were expected to sign off on.
The greatest deal of resentment came from the blame clause and the fact that the Entente deceived the German population.

>>17871241
>The greatest deal of resentment came from the blame clause
I don't know whether this is true. The average post-war German probably cared more about having to let go of the Danzig Corridor and struggling to find employment due to the awful state of the economy

>>17871241
The german government explicitly sued for peace to the US only, for this reason. Look it up.
They believed Wilson would give them the best terms. Republic of German-Austria was ceeated and expected to join germany based on that fact.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_German-Austria

The US ambition was to end imperialism so their whole shtick for peace was a peoples right to self-determination, a term that would favor Germany.

France and Britain chimped out to prevent it from happening. It's a major reason why the Entete was quick to accept the German armistice before any allied soldier had actually entered Germany itself, because had they waited longer, the US contributions to allied victory would have increased and thus giving US more influence over negotiations.
Otherwise it would have made more sense for the Entete to ignore German call for armistice and simply keep pushing since that would have given them greater leverage to a harsher treaty. The German army was in full retreat anyway and revolution and secessionist groups in the east were tearing Germany up.

>>17871458
It is true. The war guilt was the one section of the treaty that caused the most anger in Germany. No one really cared about Danzig specifically, it wasn't more detrimental than Schleswig or Lorraine

>>17870779 (OP)
brest litovsk was only so harsh because the russians refused to sign an earlier, less harsh treaty. And it was still lesh harsh than versailles, because the amount of russians living in those areas was very small, whereas Germany lost large swathes of majority-german lands

>>17870786
the JEWISH kaiser of course

>>17871531
Bullshit.
Holstein had majority Danes in many if itd parts, as did Lorraine had majority French.
Poznan area was majority Polish. Ailesia, Memel and the corridor was 50/50.
The majority of land Germany lost in ww1 wasn't German. It really is just narrowed down to Danzig and Alsace.

And millions of Russians came to live outside Russia through Brest-Litovsk. Do you even know it's a major reason why Ukraine and Russia fights to this day? Moron.

>>17871238
Because it's a completely different thing.
It's like taking the wallet from a guy who've you've knocked out vs promising to stop fighting a guy who's nose you've bloodied and then demanding he hand over his wallet after the fight.

>>17871997
It's still not an argument. They could simply just keep fighting until what they want is physically taken.
Idiot.

The only loser in this is the one who insisted on keep on fighting, because not only did he still lose was he would have lost anyway, but he also sustained considerably more damage by resisting when it was already over.

This is why normal states sue for peace before they get completely fucked.

You really got nothing with this you moron lol.

>>17872053
Retard you really can't comprehend that the German public found it weird that their country was suddenly being chopped to pieces when their armies had been standing strong deep in enemy territory at the end of the war? If you're that stupid, then there's nothing we can do.

>>17872805
Retards like you can't comprehend that it's absolutely normal for states to exit the war before the enemy ravage your country, and the sooner you exit the war, the stronger leverage you will have at the negotiation table, rather than being beaten to the last town and completely at the enemy's mercy to impose whatever they want.

Why do you think Finland sued for peace as soon as the mannerheim line was breached? And relinquished territory not even held by the Soviets in exchange for peace?
Option 1: Because they wanted the rest of the country to be spared from being inevitably scorched and not be completely taken by the Soveits to install whatever regime they saw fit.
Option 2: because Jews stabbed Finland in the back.

Pick your option retard. Let's see your IQ.

The German army in 1918 was on the brink of collapse with mass desertion and armed rebellions. The allies were advancing at rapid speed in 1918 than they had done throughout the entire war combined. All of germanys allies had surrendered. The German population were starving from 4 years of complete blockade, eating nothing but turnips, which contributed to the revolution. The German state had abdicated. The polish militias in the east were taking towns and cities unopposed. Italian armies were coming through to Bavaria after Austria surrendered.

The german politicians did the right thing and only a retard would argue otherwise.

>>17872844
> jewish (((politicians))) did the right thing
I don't think so. Not even a single allied soldier was in German territory. It was completely winnable and yet they betrayed people.

>>17870779 (OP)
Versailles was stupid for cutting a path through Germany. It wasn't harsh but it was stupid.

>>17871141
The German army that was in Belgium was losing the war.
Which wad the reason they signed the armistice in the first place.

>>17870779 (OP)
Might makes right (but not when I'm on the receiving end of might.)

>>17873502
If you were in charge of Germany, what sould you have done to win the war?

>>17870779 (OP)
how was it harsh? Almost no russians lived there

>>17873802

>>17870779 (OP)
There's something comical about Brest-Litovsk being such a harsh treaty brutally imposed after a bloody world war, yet Russians accepted even greater losses without a bullet fired in 1991.

>>17873504
It's stupid to return to normality?

>>17873824
Russian borders were based on the borders of the Russian SSR, so they didn't lose any land.