"Luther began the Protestant Reformation with the publication of his Ninety-Five Theses on October 31, 1517"

Would Christianity and West have been better and more united if he didnt exist? There are like 5000 denominations in US alone which Israel exploits (see evangelicals)

>>17870994 (OP)
>(see evangelicals)
Why is that the first thing you think of when other Protestant churches literally embrace sodomy?

>>17871033

because no other branch of protestants have more political power in US than evangelicals, which directly influences US policies

>>17870994 (OP)
Religion is why we can not advance beyond the blood sacrifice myth which is barbaric & primitive

>>17871052
In terms of raw voting biomass you're right, but there's a reason Trump had to go to an Episcopal church and listen to a female bishop lecture him on immigrants

>>17870994 (OP)
>Luther began the Protestant Reformation with the publication of his Ninety-Five Theses on October 31, 1517"

Flat out wrong and historically illiterate.

>Would Christianity and West have been better and more united if he didnt exist?
Without the reformation, Christianity and the west would have collapsed in Europe hundreds of years earlier than it did. Rome’s lies were never going to survive the renaissance and humanist movement regardless of the reformation.

>>17870994 (OP)
>Would Christianity and West have been better and more united if he didnt exist?
Well, the church has always historically had a congregational polity and practiced believer's baptism, and it has continued this way and has kept the same uncorrupted received text scriptures for the past two thousand years. As Jesus promised, the gate of hell shall not prevail against His church. This is true regardless of political schisms that have occurred historically, such as between Rome and the Protestant princes.

>>17870994 (OP)
The West would be worse off as Catholics would still practice indulgences. The Pope only got rid of the practice because Luther was so vocal about it. In a very strange way, the Protestants did manage to reform Catholicism only through means outside their own agency. Luther’s diet-calvanist view on free will wouldn’t be grounds for excommunication from the Catholic church since Augustine held even an more extreme form of determinism and was granted sainthood; the only reason he was excommunicated was because he criticized the Pope.

>>17871067
>religion
So.. Buddhists practice blood sacrifices?

>>17870994 (OP)
No.

Yes.

>>17870994 (OP)
>5000 denominations in US alone
This is a made up number. Prove me wrong.

>>17870994 (OP)
>Would Christianity and West have been better and more united if he didnt exist?
Those are two different questions. It would have been more united, but that unity would have been in damnable heresy. Catholics at the time were only a little better than pagans.

>>17872544
>Catholics at the time were only a little better than pagans.
At the time, and to this day.

>>17872627
They were far worse back then, with holy wells and shrines taken directly from the pagans used for worship everywhere.

>>17872159
It is one of histories great absurdities that the Catholic Church essentially created Protestantism through attacking Luther far more than anything Luther himself ever did. You'd think they'd have learned from the Hussite movement that the best way to manage these reformist movements was to just pretend to give them some token concessions and then let them fizzle out, since that is exactly what happened with the Hussites after decades of war had failed. utterly no, they just had to take a guy who basically said "how about we be moderately less corrupt?" and wasn't even really disagreeing much on theological grounds and declare war on everyone who so much as said hello to him.

>>17870994 (OP)
The simple fact of the matter is that the Papacy was promoting the idea that you could buy your way out of sins. Is that or is that not heretical?

Martin Luther's goal was to denounce the hypocrisies of catholicism and promote the idea of a personal relationship with god through the proliferation of biblical material that even common people could engage with themselves, rather than being restricted to the pronouncements from the ivory tower of "The Church", which again by simple Christian knowledge (which these people had been deliberately denied) proved themselves to be faulty putting it lightly.

The point of all of this was addressing the corruption of the papacy. If the so-called holiest seat of God could even be so Satanically undermined by heresies like indulgences, then what legitimacy whatsoever did it actually hold, and what good would it serve for the institution to continue to exist?

It's astounding that somehow very little of what I've just said crops up in this inane "debate". If you're on the side of Catholicism, particularly at this here juncture, you're effectively on the side of the Devil.

>>17872639
They have always relied on ignorance to claim a stolen heritage. Anyone who has read the Bible is able to tell that they have nothing to do with it. The only question at that point is whether a person is willing to stomach pretending otherwise, and they shouldn't be.

>>17870994 (OP)
>Would Christianity and West have been better and more united if he didnt exist?
Even when there was only Catholicism, european states were constantly at war with each other.

>>17870994 (OP)
Protestantism would've happened regardless because there were so many other forces at work. To a large degree Luther was only successful because his surroundings were primed for his entry. Likewise many other prominent theologians would follow with their own successes.

>>17870994 (OP)
>There are like 5000 denominations in US alone
And every single one of them is spiritually superior to Catholicism, which worships the Pope instead of God.

>>17873082
It really was mostly due to famine and crop failures and many of the billions of German princes not wanting to pay taxes.

>>17871033
>faces the slightest opposition
>immediately thinks about gay sex
Ego defence is a powerful thing

>>17873082
there were already multiple proto prot movements

>>17873216
It's not "the slightest opposition", he was explicitly stating that evangelicals are worse than embracing sodomizers and female clergy