What would it have been like bros...?

>>17872754 (OP)
a shithole because it'd be run by italians

>>17872754 (OP)
Imagine the shitshow of Southern Italy but spread out miles wide while the government is like "izza all intended".

>>17872754 (OP)
TND in Africa coupled with resettlement of Italian or Italianized Southern/Eastern Euro colonists

>>17872854
>TND in Africa
Africans made up a vast majority of the army in the African holdings.

>resettlement of Italian or Italianized Southern/Eastern Euro colonists
And basically recreate the EXACT same dysfunction and inefficiency of Italy (And Southern Italy) allover the place. Why would anyone who wasn't some poor fuck want to move to an ever poorer place where corrupt businessmen dominate and the mafia has new strongholds to creep into (and tax)?

>>17872754 (OP)
I find it funny how cringe civilization larpers are seen as nowadays, yet just a century again every fascist and communist leadership were basically just larpers.

I can see them renaming themselves "roman" had this succeeded.

>>17872894
oh and pretty much the entirety of the empire was a dumping ground for criminals, failsons, men who sucked the Duce off for favours, and soliders with a perchance of trying to raping/noncing whatever Italian/African/Euro was nearby.

>>17872894
Mussolini's program included settling large amounts of Euro colonists to counterbalance the decline in European fertility which he had observed, and Italian colonies were some of the few were the native brown population was not skyrocketing unlike in eg the gulf of Guinea or Southern Africa
>Inefficiency
Eritrea was one of the better run colonies on the continent and no one back then considered it particularly inefficient compared to eg Nigeria or the Congo
>Mafia
Mussolini had Cesare Mori largely root the mafia out until it was reintroduced after the allied invasion

Is there any historical take by a mongrel which isn't just a rote repetition of some mafia movie about Italy? Just wondering, I haven't seen any yet.

>>17872897
Are you talking about the brutish empoire perchance

>>17872902
>settling large amounts of Euro colonists to counterbalance the decline in European fertility which he had observed
By draining the metropole and spreading Euros super thin? He wanted the empire because he felt it made Italy be seen as "big boy" state which was complex he had in his head.

>Italian colonies were some of the few were the native brown population was not skyrocketing unlike in eg the gulf of Guinea or Southern Africa
Nonproblem. Those populations weren't even close to "booming" in population unless you think "Africans in Africa rare the majority" is a surprise revelation. The Horn was heavily populated relatively and coastal Libya wasn't a nomans land alongside places like Croatia and Albania not exactly being sparse.

>Eritrea was one of the better run colonies on the continent
Massive inefficiency in allocating war resources, costly projects, no real budgetary restraint. In the bottom of the Red Sea there's a ton of military gear and equipment because Italy overproduced so much they had to dump it into the sea to make more room.

>Mussolini had Cesare Mori largely root the mafia out until it was reintroduced after the allied invasion
Lol sure. the social and administrative problems in the south were not that unknown and had plenty of non-mafia or downlow elements to keep up. Dumping Southen settlers into Italian holdings was one of the tactics Mussolini thought of to "fix" problems rather than actually fixing them in the first place.

>>17872915
And Italians were one of the most numerous groups in Europe by far. More so considering they made up a HUGE chunk of the immigrant population in the New World, with some states having a substantial bulk of their immigrant/European ancestry coming from there. Metropole Italy had 43 million in 1939.

>>17872915
>By draining the metropole
While European fertility was in decline, back then it was still well above replacement level enough that this could have been a viable solution, as eg congoid populations were just beginning to explode
>Nonproblem.
Moronic reply. The native population in eg British colonies growing at overall faster rates than in Italian ones shows Italians weren't as keen on subsaharanmaxxing as Anglos of French
>Costly projects and large military production
All of a sudden modernizing colonies with civilian, industrial and military infrastructure is bad if Italians do it and it's thus a point against them lmao, no further explanation given other than fairy tales like
>they had to dump it into the sea to make more room.
Which is one of the most insanely, idiotic things I've ever read.
>the social and administrative problems in the south were not that unknown and had plenty of non-mafia or downlow elements to keep up
Which is a social issue unrelated to your original point about some fantastical mafia takeover in the colonies, as evidence shows Mussolini actually opposed and hit the mafia harder than any Italian govt after him and that no mafia transplant within the colonies occurred, instead of taking the L and accepting that your scenario was yet another demented Hollywoodesque fantasy you tried to shift the topic onto broader social issues.
Typical anglospheric slime, the sole difference between them and Jews is that the latter have at least a dozen IQ points on the former.

>>17872934
>While European fertility was in decline
Still well above replacement, healthcare gains were present, and has the highest population in general globally in both Europe and the New World. That fertilty issue was way way way overblown if they were concerned about it. "congoid populations were just beginning to explode" that was way after ww2 retard.

>The native population in eg British colonies growing at overall faster rates than in Italian ones shows Italians weren't as keen on subsaharanmaxxing as Anglos of French
Vast majority of their armies were FILLED with Africans and shipped around the empire. What fucking sites are you getting your shit from? Vast majority of the British empire were Asians. Again you seemed obsessed about Africans.

>All of a sudden modernizing colonies with civilian, industrial and military infrastructure is bad if Italians do it and it's thus a point against them lmao, no further explanation given other than fairy tales like
Why are you setting up a persecution complex to menstruate over? Italy was the one invading states and gearing for war.

>Which is one of the most insanely, idiotic things I've ever read.
and it happened.

>as evidence shows Mussolini actually opposed and hit the mafia harder than any Italian govt after him.
hahahahaha. They just went into the shadows and assimilating into the fascist shilling cycle. The crackdowns after that were pretty huge so I'm not sure why you are shitting on Italy to gloss Musso's cock.

>>17872951
>Vast majority of the Italian army was FILLED with Africans and shipped around the empire as a mobile crackdown force.
*fixed.

>>17872951
Dumbass, I hate Nazis and fascists as much as the next guy, but Mussolini cracked down on the mafia so hard that they practically moved to America, and came back with D-Day.

>>17872754 (OP)
Italians embarassed themselves in the Spanish civil war and Franco had to kindly tell them to fuck off and just give financial support as their units were shit. The same happened in Greece

>>17873155
>today on: things that never happened

>>17872951
>Still well above replacement
That doesn't contradict they were on a declining trend and had been for decades, dumb faggot
>Vast majority of their armies
Why are you so autistically obsessed with colonial armies specifically you actual blithering moron, it's a non issue which doesn't contradict the differential fertility in subsaharans under italian or eg english rule
>Why are you setting up a persecution complex to menstruate over
Why are you such subhuman slime that first you fantasyze about an italian colonial empire being alledgedly hyper inefficient and then once shown proof that Italian Eritrea wasn't particularly inefficient compared to other colonies you try and pretend their grand civilian and military projects were proof of inefficiency? This goes beyond being a simple retard, this goes straight in lying filth tier.
>And it happened
Source: it was revealed to me in a dream
>They just went into the shadows
So Mori whipped the mafia so hard they went into hiding and only came back when the regime fell, yet you still fantasyze that they'd have ended up running the colonies because you're both a compulsive liar and a massive retard whose opinion of the country is shaped uniquely by mafia movies
>>17872953
Source: blacked dot com

>>17872754 (OP)
Shitalians could not conquer Greece.
They would have never been able to conquer any territory from Turkey.

>>17873160
>>17873188
You are still coping hard about some has-been dead end state. You are so easy to spot because you make the same strange points.

>>17873260
Didn't they take Libya from the Turks?

>>17873188
>Italian Eritrea wasn't particularly inefficient compared to other colonies you try and pretend their grand civilian and military projects were proof of inefficiency?
Dumping a fuckton of manufactured goods into the sea because you couldnt understand logistics is peak inefficiency Terroni.

>>17873160
No it is literally what happened in the Spanish civil war and the reason why Germany had to invade the Balkans and Greece as the Shitalian army couldn't do it on its own

>>17873329
Reading the battle of Guadalajara is hilarious desu. Italians were so shit that their professional army got trashed by a bunch of militias and left all equipment behind.
Franco after that refused any italian army to work independently due how big of a disaster that was

>>17872758
Mussolini wasnt stupid (in that regard at least) all the colonists sent during his rules were usually Northen Italians, especially of the Northeast

>>17873329
italy effectively propped up franco as the dictator of spain, you worthless beaner. i bet you're a tankie jerking off the battle of guadalajara thinking the republicans won because they had the best toons. you're so fucking pathetic.

>>17873339
No Italy was a massive failure in the Spanish civil war and after Guadalajara Franco diluted shit italian troops with the Spanish ones and then he put the italian aviation under German rule which was an international embarassement.
The fact that a bunch of commie militias absolutely demolished a proffessional italian army and that irregular troops like the Requetes BTFOed those militias in offensives won't ever stop being funny and a massive stain on Mussolini's legacy

>>17873331
what the fuck are you talking about italy kept its presence in spain long after guadalajara (which was the only win the republicans had in the entire war). also italy never sent its army but the CTV, which was a militia of volunteers

>>17873353
>italy kept its presence in spain
Yes and the Italian army had to be diluted in the general italian army and the aviazione legionaria became a cadet branch of the Condor legion.
Guadalajara was such a massive failure that it made the french believe that tanks were irrelevant in modern warfare, that's how shit the italian army was

>>17873346
you're lying, 35k italian militiamen were accompanied by 15k franchist soldiers, and the spaniards took the vast majority of losses (4000) between the two.

>>17873356
>general italian army
Spanish army

>>17873357
Holy shit the delusion. Stop looking at wikipedia and read some proper book. Mussolini destituted the entire leadership of the army for how embarassing the loss was and the Werhmacht's report basically was
>the italian army is shit and its leadership is even worse

>>17872754 (OP)
>Social Governorship of Sudan
That's a retarded and awkward way to say Roman Egypt

>>17873366
a single general (roatta) is hardly the entire leadership of the army. seems like you're more keen on proving how shit the italians were than read the very books you pretend you read.

>>17873383
It wasn't only Rotta. The italian army was shit in the Spanish civil war and in WWII, Mussolini's masturbatory dreams were only just that

>>17872754 (OP)
>>17872854
Pasta nigga cope. Even in your dreams you couldn't beat primitive Ethiopians without chemical warfare.

>>17872934
>hit the mafia harder than any Italian govt after him
The maxiprocesso was a bigger deal. Saviano's existence, taken as a whole and if you include all the trials he's been a part of or somehow involved, is a bigger deal.
But, Mussolini acted against the mafia, and didn't come to agreements with them, as some subsequent governments did, sure.

>>17873311
Demented subhuman

>>17873338
>all the colonists sent during his rules were usually Northen Italians, especially of the Northeast
Nope. Most were southerners. In fact non southern (and in particular ones further north) soldiers in the Italian army during the war against Ethiopa and the subsequent occupation had a lesser status in the forces. The African colonies were primarily meant to be places vent the poor and yokel Italian populace into without having them "leave" the country. Sam with how the African colounes for Portugal was a dumping ground for Portuguese peasants, illiterate, and criminals in the army.

>>17873521
And you rrally are making your case. Lmao what do you get out of dicksucking Fascists exactly? They dragged Italy into ruin.

>>17873315
>Dumping a fuckton of manufactured goods into the sea because you couldnt understand logistics
Shit that never happened: the post.
>>17873459
>Saviano's existence,
Ahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

>>17873528
>Lies and makes up stuff and false accusations and backtracks with this faggy "y u simp for ebul fash" whenever called out
Your estrogen is so potent it's oozing out my screen

>>17873529
>Shit that never happened: the post.
It was in "I Didn't Do It for You: How the World Betrayed Eritrea" by Michela Wong.

>>17873531
>by Michela Wong.
Lmao what

>>17873530
And you are doubling down. What do you get out of this. Do tell.

>>17873532
Michela Wrong actually. Sorry for the typo

>>17873533
Getting your ovaries in a bunch, primarily

>>17873534
Ok so an anglo liberal woman writing negro elegics, nothing serious, on par with the Congo genocide myth

>>17872754 (OP)
>religion: cuckolicism
>no Graeco-Romanitas
Yep, they deserved to lose.

>>17873539
>Ok so an anglo liberal woman writing negro elegics
An Anglo woman who actually did research compared to you basically wantig for the empire back solely as a roundabout way to ask for welfare. Not sure why you suck Mussolini's cock so hard. The guy's been dead for 60+ years.

>>17873589
>greekaboo roman larping
>no sol invictus
ngmi

>>17872754 (OP)
Everybody gets a brutal civil war and as many crimes against humanity as they can stomach.

Also the Americans would not allow it.

>>17873683
Should I suck congoid penis like anglo liberal women making up flimsy tales out of thin air to spin sob stories about oppression of kangz? It's very telling that your only "evidence" of this is not any Italian record or finding of said material but just some pamphlet by an activist lmfaooo

>>17873789
>congoid penis like anglo liberal women
>just some pamphlet by an activist lmfaooo
Never knew Eritrea was "congoid" or that researchers writing a full book in the 2000s is "writing a pamphlet" Jorge. Touch some grass, pet some cats and stop getting angry at people calling you out.

>>17873531
>>17873534
>british journalist
Why not being up Sylvia Pankhurst as another source while you’re at it?