Slavs in ancient sources are almost non-existent.
And then, all of a sudden, Slavic tribes appear seemingly out of nowhere, replacing previous populations.
They start forming states, and today Slavs are the largest population group in Europe.
We know that Slavic languages are quite similar to each other.
This means they must have had a common base: Proto-Slavic.
The division into different Slavic languages happened relatively recently in historical terms.
This suggests that the expansion of the Slavs was extremely rapid.
But how is that possible?
What could have made it happen so quickly and on such a scale?

>>17881337 (OP)
Avars brought them to Europe. They replaced the natives after the Justinian plague.

>>17881337 (OP)
>Slavs in ancient sources are almost non-existent.
They were Sarmatians

>>17881337 (OP)
>What could have made it happen so quickly and on such a scale?
we opened a huge portal from hyperborea, like the orcs in warcraft.
this is why ukrainians call russians orcs today (it's blood memory of the original incursion, common to all slavs)

>>17881356
>They replaced the natives after the Justinian plague.
You think genetic factors and resistance to diseases have played a key role.
>>17881366
Maybe but their women are beautiful lick elfs... kek

>>17881373
that's normal for hyperboreans.

>>17881337 (OP)
The Hunnic Invasions and Justinian Plague had completely depopulated most of eastern Europe and the Balkans, which were then filled by Slavic migrants who started farming wherever they could

Huns destabilized the eastern Germanics, and even though they defeated the nomads with roman help, the slavs had already taken the superior! farm lands and hunkered down. The remaining germanics get assimilated and the rest is history.

>>17881373
No, us nordics are elves. Our women mog slavics.

Basically the noble Goths and Illyrians were obliterated by Huns and Plague, and the slavs stole their farming lands after the huns were defeated. The remaining native tribes had no choice but to intermarry with the slavics who had all the power now.

Slavic determination lol, the vodka makes us unstoppable

>>17881901
This is partially true. Slavs can withstand harsher more low productive conditions than others. This is also seen today with Russia as a famous example

Early Roman accounts state that Slavs originally occupied central Europe

>>17881337 (OP)
https://www.academia.edu/43414600/Kazanski_M_Archaeology_of_the_Slavic_Migrations_Encyclopedia_of_Slavic_Languages_and_Linguistics_Online_Editor_in_Chief_Marc_L_Greenberg

here you go little buddy, time to put down the tablet and do some reading. you are interested enough in history to do cursory research, right? surely you can figure it out without being spoon fed by sloptuber video essayists and 4chan users.

>>17881356
This, the Slavic expansion is them being enslaved by the Avars as cannon fodder for their invasions of the Byzantine Empire.

>>17881337 (OP)
They're the real Huns, not Germans or Magyars

>>17881337 (OP)
They probably had different names back then.

>>17881337 (OP)
>Slavs are the largest population group in Europe
Waste of a continent

>>17881356
>>17881337 (OP)
This. The southern Slavs a splinter Coalition of the Avar Coalition.

>>17881740

Were you there?

>>17882816

Financial capitalism allied itself with soviet communism. Let's not pretend it wasn't intentional.

>>17881337 (OP)
Scythians were proto-Slavs.

>>17881337 (OP)
Generally, Greco-Roman writers didn't (couldn't) do serious research into people's geneology and language. They pretty much just looked at them and labeled them as part of a culture they already knew based on what they looked like, how they dressed, what lifestyles they had etc.

When Greeks wrote about Scythians who were settled and farmed, they probably also meant Slavs. Romans described a lot of Germanic tribes in Eastern Europe, and a lot of them were really Slavs, but they all looked the same to the Romans.

Nobody wrote down anything from the Slavs (or Germans, Scythians or anyone else( themselves because why would you write down something from a bunch of Barbarians?

posting banger in ancient ancient slavic
https://youtu.be/q90Kov8lRRQ?si=CFN_PSoARP89FZxZ

>>17881337 (OP)
Well, the only really "true" slavs are r1aM458, r1a 558 are Baltic in origin.

>>17881885
No fucking way
Nordic women are fucking ugly
The only beautiful """nordic""" women are actually blondes with slavic features such as Moldovian women. Real nordic women are ugly as sin and unbearable to be around, which is why nordics would rather viking around or let literal browns rape their women, anything rather than sit 1 more minute with them

>>17881885
I have to be honest with you because you are a Nordic superman, but Nordic women are not attractive.
>you just say that because secretly you want a Nordic wife
No, If I could marry a Nordic woman, I would because I would want my sons to be Nordic superhumans. Nordic Males are the highest quality men ever, handsomest, tallest, strongest, extremely intelligent and heroic.
But Nordic women just arent attractive.
If I had my choice I would want to impregnate a Nordic woman but I wouldnt marry her, I would prefer to raise my half Nordic child with a Celtic or a Slavic woman.
Irish women look like Elves, Nordic women look like men.
Irish women produce ugly dysgenic freakazoid sons.
Nordic women produce the Nietzschean superman.

Breed Nordic, Romance Ireland and Poland.

>>17881337 (OP)
Steppeniggers destroyed the previous inhabitants of Eastern Europe and filled the area with Slavic slaves who eventually assimilated what was left of those regions into their culture.

>>17881337 (OP)
>This suggests that the expansion of the Slavs was extremely rapid.
>But how is that possible?
It isn't. It was mass conversions. Not only were there no Slavs- there is evidence AGAINST ancient Slavs. Slavdom is medieval.

>>17883044
Except they look nothing like most Slavs, and Scythians speak Iranic.

>>17881373
Most fit young women with tons of fake up are beautiful

>>17881356
They were brought by the Huns as well. Perhaps they were created by the Huns. Slavs were created from Balts by Huns the way Orcs were created from Elves by Sauron

>>17883044
No, they weren’t. Balts were the base from which Slavs split.

>>17884478
Slavdom, like judaism, was a Greek project.

>>17884447
…elaborate please, this is a new take

>>17884487
You can’t just say something profound like this and then leave and never reply.

>>17884490
Every group that's supposedly "ancient Slav" is Iranic. The first Slavic speakers are the Bulgars in the 9th century. A century before that they were speaking Turkic. Groups like the Croatians are confirmed Iranics.

>>17884496
Byzantines invent:
>Glagolitic, first Slavic script
>Cyrillic, second Slavic script
>eastern Orthodoxy, imported throughout Slavic world by kings, top down

And keep in mind that before the 11th century all of the "Slavs" have Greek and Norse names, like Monomakh (Μονομαχος). You have to be careful mentioning all of this around Slavs, of course. It sends them into a furious rage.

>>17884490
>>17884496
The enraged Slav will then say that Slavic migrations happened and start namedropping a bunch of tribes that they will insist are Slavic. When you ask for evidence they will admit they don't actually have any but experts agree (protip, experts do not agree) and claim that the names of the tribes are *obviously* Slavic.

Not so. I present exhibit B. Every single "Slavic migration" tribe is Iranic. Literally all of them. Wikipedia constantly gets scrubbed of this fact, presumably by Slavic supremacists.

>>17884514
so you saying that Slavs lived there before migrations?

>>17885110
Slavic people always existed amongst the Iranic, hunnic and avar elite as commoners and serfs. They then usurped the lands of these people, hence why they appear out of nowhere. Their origin is east of the baltics so probably Belarus or Ukraine

>>17884506
>You have to be careful mentioning all of this around Slavs, of course
Slavs are not among the wewuzzer races, we don't build our identity upon myths and legends. We are interested in real history and science instead.

>>17885125
doubt

>>17885110
No. Slavs did not exist until after the 9th century when Bulgars converted to the first Slavic language. There was no migration.

>>17885154
oh, so you are just retarded

>>17885160
The enraged Slav presents itself with the kind of inquiry and reaction we have come to expect.

>>17885169
that doesn't change fact that you are retarded

>>17881885
>Our women mog slavics.
Nope. They produce nordic masculine chads because nordic women themselves have unusuall high levels of masculine traits

>>17885233
Slavics are the ogres obsessed with ooga boogs displays of masculinity, not germanics. Nordics are not foot soldiers, we are nobility and priests

>>17885241
>we

Who's “we”?

The nobility plays you like a fiddle.
You don't live in a castle/mansion, going on weekends in some exclusive hermetic VIP resort where you eat, drink, snort, and fuck how much you like and want.

You're a peasant.

>>17885909
It's more about wanting what you've got rather than getting what you want.

>>17881373
>tfw only the rus are white

>>17885909
>noble living means living upscale, lavishly, indulging in over priced luxuries

This is proof that you have no idea what nobility is. Peasant mindset.

Is slavs a big deal?

>>17885913

“I'm a peasant living by projection of the nobility.”

>This is proof that you have no idea what nobility is. Peasant mindset.

It means power/influence and nigh immunity, dumbass + the lavish consumption & discreet upscale living.

>>17885924
>>17885973

+ Having peasants do the work.

>>17885973
>It means power/influence and nigh immunity, dumbass + the lavish consumption & discreet upscale living.

NTA but you're an idiot. Nothing about that is noble nor what makes nobility.

>>17885973
Dude the greatest King or President has to shit out of his or her own ass. Look, are you satisfied?

>>17885978

“Nobility means the fictional works of literature & arts, created by authors that were companions, which drew favorable propaganda for them.”


You really are dumb.

>>17885986
What are you talking about?

>>17885983
>Look, are you satisfied?

When they're done, permanently, out of the system.

>>17885993

About how dumb you are.

>>17885977
what is a peasant?

>>17884506
Cyrillic was made by bulgarians, not greeks. It wasn't made for slavs either.

>>17884500
Bulgars weren't slavicized until the 9th century, but the Slavs on the bulgar khanate were speaking Slavic well before they came into contact. 9th century is when the two peoples merged and also created the Cyrillic alphabet but the language existed before that

>>17884506
>Byzantines invent
>Cyrillic, second Slavic script
yeah that's bullshit and you're retarded, you obviously haven't read anything about the topic so keep your stupid nigger mouth shut.

>>17886072
>Cyrillic was made
Students of Cyril, who himself was a Byzantine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_and_Methodius

Those SAME men created Glagolitic.

>>17886147
>Slavs on the bulgar khanate were speaking Slavic well before they came into contact
Oh sweet. I'm sure you have evidence. I keep hearing that claim from angry Slavs but thank God you came to bring us evidence at long last. Now where is it? Can we see it? Hurry on now.

>>17886163
Were they mute? I don't get your point

>>17886170
Bulgars were speaking Turkic prior to adopting Slavic through Greek influence.

>>17886173
Adopted from whom? Greeks speak Greek

Most likely filling a void created by wars / diseases as mentioned above.

I would think the Finnish / Estonian "Vene" for Russia, comes from Venedae as Finns were one of their oldest neighbors and these were possibly the original slavs.

They probably existed for a while, but under foreign rule. Think - countries just popping up "out of nowhere", after an epire lets go of it's colony, while the people were there all along.

A good modern day example of how easily colonialism works is how the creation and growth of St. Petersburg turned majority Finnic northwestern Russia finally in to majority Russian. A single large population center in a sparsely populated area.

>>17886201
Yes, it's raging in one region, but today there are 13 Slavic countries!
Where did all these people come from?
Or are you a supporter of the theory that the Slavs mass assimilated other peoples into their ranks?

>>17884075
This isn't very accurate. Slavs didn't really assimilate anyone north of their Pripyat swamps. Belarusians cluster with lithuanians on the european PCA. They're obviously not actual slavs. Central russians plot close to belarusians and lithuanians as well. Northern russians plot with finno-ugrics, and they have more n1c and I1 than r1a or I2. They're obviously not slavs either. Southern slavs also plot close to finno-ugrics, because that's who lived there. Russians and belarusians are fake ethnicities. They're just slavic speaking balts and finno-ugrics (uralized balts). As to how they took over, probably the same way proto finno-ugrics did it 1500 years earlier. Traders and migrants with superior technology and culture came to these lands and entrenched themselves as elites. Over time the natives would adopt the language and culture of the slavic elite.

>>17887119
>PCA
I don't think there has ever been more damage done to historical studies than this.

>>17887125
On contrary. Genetic research has completely destroyed all delusional nationalist we wuzzing and finally shed light on centuries old mysteries that could not have been explained with archeological or historical evidence alone.

>>17886174
adopted from Hyperboreans obviously
they landed their spaceship and unleashed their Slavic conversion beams on Bulgars(turkic), Rus(nordic), Croats(iranian), Sorbian(east germanic), Wends(Sarmatian) and forced them to speak Słowo!

>>17881337 (OP)
>Slavs are the largest population group in Europe.
not even close, there's less than a hundred milion slavs

>>17881373
Nigga that woman on the bottom left is Spanish

>>17888271
There's 150 million slavs in europe not counting russians. Another 100 million slavs in russian part of europe (up to urals and caucasus).

>>17888307
she is from galicia and all galicians = ukrainians

>>17881356
>>17881957
>>17882817
>>17884478
The Slavs, barring the Pannonian Wends, were never under Avar overrule (all Roman primary sources confirm this and even Fredegar's Chronicle, who distinguishes the independent Sclavenes from the Avar-ruled Wends, and further confirmed by archaeology which proved that the Avar Khaganate never extended outside the Pannonian Basin), and instigated their expansion over Europe and the Roman Empire 40 years before the Avars, who were originally Roman Foederati against the Slavs (before their betrayal in the 570s). The Sclavenes and the Antes conquered Romania, Moldova, and the near-entirety of Southeastern Europe. The Romans lost against them, and the Avars lost against them (the First Avar Khaganate was primarily defeated by the invading White Serbs and Croats, who then exterminated the Avars in the Lower Danube and Dalmatia). The Slavs were never under Hunnic rule. They took full advantage of the fall of the Hunnic Empire to rapidly and aggressively expand over a massive territory in Europe between the 450s and the 490s, establishing a permanent border with the ERE by the beginning of the 500s (the vast majority of the Early Slavs colonized and congregated on the Lower Danube, primarily modern-day Romania and Moldova).

>Procopius about Roman attempts to stop the Slavic invasion: "(...) the Empire wasn't able to find just one man as brave to undertake this task

>Menander Protector: "(...) about the fourth year of the reign of Caesar Tiberius Constantine, some hundred thousand Slavs broke into Thrace and pillaged that and many other regions. As Greece was being laid waste by the Slavs, with trouble liable to flare up anywhere, and as Tiberius had at his disposal by no means sufficient forces, he sent a delegation to the Khagan of the Avars. (...)" (1/2).

>>17881356
>>17881957
>>17882817
>>17884478
>Daurentius is the first Slavic high-chieftain to be recorded by name, by the Roman historian Menander Protector, who reported that the Avar khagan Bayan I sent an embassy, asking Daurentius and his Slavs to accept Avar suzerainty and pay tribute because the Avars knew that the Slavs had amassed great wealth after repeatedly plundering the Byzantine Balkan provinces. Menander Protector (trans.1): “What man has been born, what man is warmed by the rays of the sun, who shall make our might his subject? Others don't conquer our land, we conquer theirs. And so it shall always be for us, as long as there are wars and swords are forged.”

>"De Administrando Imperio": "(...) Therefore, everyone who would like to research Dalmatia can read here about how the Slavic peoples took it. The Croats with their families came to Dalmatia and found the Avars in possession of that land. After fighting against each other for some time, the Croats defeated the Avars, partially murdered them, and partially forced them to submissiveness. Since that moment, the country was seized by the Croats. (...)"

In summary, the Slavs arrived as colonizing, invading conquerors, whereas the Germanic tribes arrived as armed refugees fleeing before the Huns and the Goths under Hunnic vassalage, and the Avars were fleeing before the Gokturks, too, and were originally Roman Foederati. Western historiography, and even Turkish historiography, is merely "shifting theses", attributing the successes of the Slavs to non-Slavs, and the defeats and failures of the non-Slavs to the Slavs, against the entirety of primary sources, proper modern historiography, and archaeology. Besides, the premise that the Avars ruled the Slavs and instigated their expansion was restored into the mainstream in the 1990s by German/Austrian historians, Herwig Wolfram and Walter Pohl, who are infamous for their revisionist premises towards the Slavs.

>>17887274
>>17887119
R1a and I2a form the two primary Y-DNA haplogroups among all modern Slavic nationalities.

>>17888637
>revisionist premises
Wait until you learn about any historian for the past 200 years.

>>17888629
>The Sclavenes and the Antes
Both Iranic! See:>>17884514

>>17888629
>Croats
Iranic...: >>17884500

>>17888629
>The Slavs were never under Hunnic rule.
This is because Slavs did not exist. The *only* group before the 8th century with a Slavic name are the Serboi/Serbi.

>>17888307
No she is half tunisian

>Daurentius
NOT SLAVIC.

>>17888417
1. russians aren't slavs, russia isn't europe
2. there's less than a hundred milion population is slavic countries combined not even accounting for people of non-slavic ancestry living in them

>>17886730
They already existed in poland/belarus/northwestern ukraine, but as an oppressed group under the lead of others. They were possibly used as cannon fodder in other armies, spreading out and with the combination of plague and all the wars, became large enough groups in various population centers so that their language became the lingua franca in the area.

Also, most of the pre slavic population in these areas was very rural and possibly, even closely related people, who rarely ventured out of their villages, spoke very different dialects. If you had a migrant population moving in to population centers - the slavic people, you now have a situation where all the locals might speak different langauges in nearby towns, while the slavic is spoken in all.

Today's slavs are still genetically very different and mixed.

But there is also the thing where slavic speakers are still close enough and with similar skin tone that we can even consider them one group as opposed to say members of the anglosphere.

And russia has heavily promoted the pan slavicism as a sort of an extension of their russification program. I mean Russians are as diverse as americans and both of the countries are about as young, yet you have much more racial divide and officially recognized indigenous groups in USA than in Russia.

>>17888647
Russians have 15% N1c (over 40% among northern russians), Belarusians 10%. Poles have 5%, probably from prussians or their history with Lithuanians. The other slavs have little to none. Also, russians and belarusians share a lot of the same R1a clades as balts, unlike ukrainians and west slavs, who have quite a bit of r1a uncommon in balts. I'm not saying that they had no slavic input at all, otherwise they wouldn't be speaking slavic, but genetically they're closer to balts and finno-ugrics than they are to other slavs, who are shifted towards central europeans.

>>17888898
Come on, please don't talk nonsense. There are over 100 national minorities in Russia, and in schools, in addition to Russian, their traditional languages are also taught.

> pan slavicism
There is a strong chance that the Slavs were newcomers who assimilated already existing peoples.
But it's very strange. It's usually the settlers who adopt the language and customs of the natives, not the other way around.

>>17885125
You're saying this as if it was a bad thing. Eastern Germanic tribes experienced Sarmatian, Hunnic, and Avar domination as well and its thanks to that influence they managed to rise above their pathetic perpetually losing Western Germanic brethren.

>>17888637
Each year, the Huns [Avars] came to the Slavs, to spend the winter with them; then they took the wives and daughters of the Slavs and slept with them, and among the other mistreatments [already mentioned] the Slavs were also forced to pay levies to the Huns. But the sons of the Huns, who were [then] raised with the wives and daughters of these Wends could not finally endure this oppression anymore and refused obedience to the Huns and began, as already mentioned, a rebellion. When now the Wendish army went against the Huns, the [aforementioned] merchant Samo accompanied the same. And so Samo's bravery proved itself in wonderful ways and a huge mass of Huns fell to the sword of the Wends.


The sclaveni were raiders and disappear from the historical record until emperor Heraclius invited the Serbs and Croats to settle in Dalmatia and Bosnia as vassals against the avars. It’s clear that they were intial slaves to avars until they switched sides to the Byzantines.

>>17890089
The Gepids and Lombards ruled the northern balkans until 567 when the Lombards destroyed the Gepids. Then the Lombards fled and conquered Italy relinquishing their lands to whoever. Was it the Slavs? No it was the avars. Before 567 Slavs were brought in assisting neo-hunnic non Avar raiders. After 567 they were assisting Avars until they rebelled but then were put down and then in 578-582 they raided the entire balkans and conquered it for a bit, the avars did most of the fighting being spiritual successors of the huns.