How do Muslims in general feel about the giant soulless tower in front of their holiest site?

>>17887963 (OP)
I'd hardly call the mosque in front of Big Ben the holiest site in Islam

>>17887963 (OP)
they think it's fucking sick broooo

>>17887963 (OP)
Salafis really are Muslim Evangelicals, all the way down to the trashy taste

>>17887963 (OP)
Aren't a ton of Muslims impoverished villagers from places in Africa and elsewhere in the Middle East? How can they be expected to afford travel to and lodging in Mecca?

>>17887963 (OP)
You'd think they will actually build a religious building of significance right next to the holiest site in Islam but no that's just a luxury hotel
Meanwhile bellow theres thousands of African and Pakistani pilgrims who who are without place to stay and essentially lives in the mosque complex

>>17887963 (OP)
I think the bigger crime the Saudis committed was razing all the historical tombs of the Islamic religious figures. They're all unmarked graves now. It would be one thing if they were at least consistent about it since they say tombs are against Islam, but they didn't have the courage to also raze the tomb of the Prophet. I note also that the tombs they razed were those of Shia figures, but they decided to spare the tombs of Sunni figures, which makes the destruction of history committed here seem even more petty and meaningless
>>17888030
They razed all the religious buildings of significance because the very existence of most religious buildings of significance goes against Saudi/Wahabbi doctrine. If they razed the significant buildings then they certainly won't be building any themselves

>>17888030
>Meanwhile bellow theres thousands of African and Pakistani pilgrims who who are without place to stay and essentially lives in the mosque complex
and you expected otherwise of arab muslims?

>>17887963 (OP)
what a shithole

>>17887963 (OP)
>no kafir allowed in this holy city!!!!!!
>but owning a luxury hotel is ok

It's such an underrated building, absolute behemoth

>>17887963 (OP)
The clock lets them know when to pray and do certain stuff while on the Hajj. The rest of it is a hotel, which is obviously needed to handle the numerous visitors.

>>17888245
>Literally a chode
Kek

>>17888019
Yeah probably.

>>17888010
What mosque in front of Big Ben?

>>17888029
Other Muslims pay for them to go.

>>17888030
As if the holiest site in Islam being inside a secular, westernized shithole that bows down to Israel and America isn't already enough of a humiliation.

>>17888328
>birthplace of Wahachudism
>finances islamic terrorism world wide
>finances mosques and moslem 5th columns in Europe
>No! Too secular!
Moslems are mentally ill.

>>17888333
>gives equal rights to women
>no dress code
>everyone outside is drinking, smoking, doing drugs in private
>basically a country LARPing as muslim just like Turkey, Bosnia etc.
>supports Israel (lmao)
>supports the US (lmao again)
>Saudi Coachella 2030
Yeah it's too secular, funding terrorists for political gains doesn't make one muslim, kys.

>>17888339
>they are Afghanistan so they arent real muslims
The gulf states are the closest thing to a medieval caliphate today

>>17887963 (OP)
one of the coolest buildings on earth. sorry about your taste.

>>17888351
>we have a big ben at home

>>17888343
>closest thing to a medieval caliphate
Yes they absolutely are, but you realize the medieval caliphates were hardly Islamic right? The Umayyad caliphate which you might have been thinking of is particularly infamous amongst Muslims since it bolstered its rule by killing the Prophet's surviving family members and descendants

Behold, the holiest site of the one true faith in the universe.

>>17888318
leave him, he thinks he's witty.

>>17888580
>killing the Prophet's surviving family members and descendants
and that's somehow un-islamic, is it? care to show the appropriate verse or hadith? or are you just engaging in innovation?

>>17887963 (OP)
They are being prepared for the arrival of Baal Karnaim (two-horned. Also the name of Alexander the Great)

>>17888658
Yes, the Prophet's family including his grandchildren have religious significance in Islam, and for some sects this significance extends also to some of his great-grandchildren. But all groups consider the grandchildren to play a religious role in Islam, and consider their killing by the Umayyads to have been against Islam

>>17888658
>care to show the appropriate verse or hadith?
>Quran 33:33
>Hadith al Thaqalayn
>Hadith al Kisa
And the books discussing the Umayyad killings are literally countless.

>>17887963 (OP)
Cube worshipers is retarded. When did Islam turn into idolatry?

>>17888790
>When did Islam turn into idolatry?
After they abandoned Jerusalem

>>17888023
Evangelicals/Protestants also love Jews despite them betraying Christ. Never understood that. Interestingly Salafis also venerate some of the early rebels in Islam that attacked their own Islamic caliphates, since the caliphate was led at that time by one of the central figures in the Shia sect. I wonder why there are all these parallels between Protestants and Salafis

>>17888800
>Conflating the lump term "Protestants" with Evangelical jew-lovers again

CAPTCHA: 2NOGS

>>17888838
I'll say right now I'm not the most knowledgable on the Protestants and their subgroups. And I am very happy for you to change my views. But my understanding is that Christian Zionism is a Protestant belief (and not only Evangelical), and this is wholly absent from Catholocism or Orthodox Christianity.

>>17888799
QRD?

>>17887963 (OP)
muslims would use this as proof that the judgement day is coming as nomads would build super tall buildings in deserts

>>17888854
It essentially is an exclusively protestant belief. Protestants specifically have a very odd relationship to Jews. Even odder than the regular Catholic relationship with Jews.
>>17889543
It's pretty bizarre.

>>17888029
There are agencies that arrange accommodation and travel at prices when they’re cheap, everyone contributes a few hundred dollars for the entire trip, food and lodging. They’re pretty terrible though and you’ll be stuck with 20 people groups that all look like homeless faggots.

Thing is though a lot of Muslims consider a pilgrimage to Mecca as a way to remove all your sins and start a clean slate so chances are you’ll probably be lodging with some fucked up people so any Muslim will reckoned you take those group trips along with friends or family.

It is really ironic, most holy site in Islam is just one big tourist trap with predatory hotels.

>>17888631
do muslims ever acknowledge how fucking dystopian and grimy meccah looks? christ that looks abhorrent, compare that to the vatican in picrel

>>17888339
Saudis have extremely strict dress codes and they bounce back between banning driving for women and unbanning it, it’s a cycle with that repeats with that specific law whenever someone wants to appease the more religious sects.

As for smoking, drinking and drugs, very specific locations in SA allows these things to pass by without punishment, for example the Khobar area is filled with Russian/ukrainian prostitutes, drugs and alcohol and the authorities let it slip because it’s a tourist location that makes a lot of money.

But in the south part of the country, punishments are way strict and just dealing with drugs will have you beheaded and if your caught as a prostitute there’s female officers that will beat the shit out of them (though it can get more fucked up than that since every piece of shit Saudi that rapes a woman can falsely claim she’s a prostitute as a way to escape punishment and blame the woman).

Overall Saudi Arabia as a country is a clusterfuck that’s only being tied to together because of the iron grip the ruling family has.

>>17888799
>>17889012
The "sacred place" in islam is the kingdom of heaven described in christianity, which is formed from the people of God where they make their habitation. It is called Israel, but not the state of jews in the middle east today who have misappropriated that name.

>>17890933
It's just a city in a desert.

>>17888103
>I think the bigger crime the Saudis committed was razing all the historical tombs of the Islamic religious figures.
They built public toilet on a place associated with the worship of Aisha.

They're rare, based destroyers of Mecca and haters of Islam.

>>17888010
Kek. Modern architecture reduces ancient holy site to a station of mere consumerism.
>holy onions, let's hajj some rounds an post about da cube on faceboob later
Islam is basically a more pious form of McDonalds now.

>>17887963 (OP)
>imposing and ornate
>soulless
No, I never understood the hate for this building you see on /his/, if it was located in any other city you'd love it too and you know it.

>>17888103
Muslims do tend to destroy historical areas and ancient buildings for some shitty reason not just Saudis. Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis and Bahrainis all have (recently) wiped out a large chunk of human history for the sake of shitty Islamist appeasement.

Only Egypt and Jordan know how to make use of historical areas to take in tourism money.

>>17888030
There’s strong corruption and complex history to the building of hotels and resorts around Mecca, the previous King of Saudi Arabia allowed a lot of government and ministry entities to take bribes and build whatever they want with zero restrictions and it led to a massive boom in construction and projects that never got completed even after 12 years. It’s why when the previous King died a shit ton of arrests took place after the political backing was stopped. It is so ironic how the Mecca is just a tool even though Muslims claim to be the most pious.

>>17891144
They actually do it to make you mad and it's working.

>>17891174
>"I'm gonna hit myself really fucking hard in the head to piss you off"
>"Don't do it bro you're just hurting yourself"
>"I'm gonna fucking do it!"
>"BANG! POW! YOWCH!"
>"Stupid fuck! Why did you hit yourself?"
>"To make you mad. :3"

>>17891180
It's not hurting them though. For example the Saudis are making way more money from tourism with this building than a bunch of shrines nobody cares about. And good quality seethe costs money anyway so it's always worth it.

>>17891180
They're hitting themselves when they destroyed those Buddhas though. They don't give a shit. You do.

>>17891174
It does not produce anger but sadness, at the end of the day nobody cares except archaeologists or people who actually care about their country’s history.

>>17891174
Man the taliban are retarded, imagine alienating 50% of your country’s population and then complaining that you’re poor.

>>17891250
If you look at the reaction on this board it is very clear that it is not mourning but vindictive and spiteful in nature. But you're right about nobody else giving a shit about le hecking buddhas. It's precisely the reason they were so useless to them that they decided it was better to just throw them in the trash (they didn't even let India keep the pieces) and get some publicity from their destruction instead.

>>17891269
It's their heritage, dumbass. It's no different than some BPD tween cutting herself to get back at her parents. Those poor children still starved, and all it did was make them look like barbarians. Afghanistan is a beautiful and ancient country and its reputation has been destroyed.

>>17891275
>اگرفردوس روی زمین است همین است و همین است و همین است

>>17887963 (OP)
Most muslims are sub-90IQ so I doubt they even think about it. Makes sense for pagan idolaters to desecrate their own holy spaces though.

>>17891275
It sent a message to those like you who care more about stones than starving children. But more importantly their trolling campaign was so successful that to this day you are crying about it

>>17891269
The anger I see is more of Afghan stupidity, they could’ve possibly raked in millions in tourism or Buddhist pilgrimage which again would’ve contributed to their economy. At the end of the day the Taliban chose vanity and emotion over long term success.

>>17891302
Nobody was going to see a bunch of statues in the middle of nowhere, what is with this cope?

>>17891298
My man nobody cares about starving children, not me, you, the taliban or anyone else. The talking don’t want starving children then they shouldn’t designate all their women to breeding roles, the destruction of the statues was just a vain ego decision to annoy some archaeologists.

>>17891327
If you're a normal human being you will care about starving children, sorry but that's just how it is. The only reason you don't is because you don't see them as people so their suffering is easily forgotten. Imagine if this kind of attention was given to their plight instead of a bunch of statues their very own ancestors carved. It would never happen, so the next best thing is to troll them and highlight the pure hypocrisy on display

>>17888800
>I wonder why there are all these parallels between Protestants and Salafis
The emergence of Salafism is basically the Islamic Reformation happening.
>Radical fundamentalist opposed to the mainstream tradition of their faith (Catholicism, Sufism) arises and due to political support becomes founder of a major tradition
>Ideology takes power from religious authorities and grants it to the ruler (Protestant rulers in Europe ascending over the Pope, Salafi instruction to obey the ruler)
>Both Protestantism and Salafism are tied to capitalism (Protestant Europe is where capitalism developed, Salafism is basically the most powerful anti-socialist ideology ever invented, has stymied such movements across the Muslim world)
Heck, even the hollowing out of Protestantism towards atheism we saw in Northern Europe is beginning to repeat in places like Saudi. My hypothesis is that it's a sort of cultural convergent evolution due to the pressures of early capitalism, under which both Protestantism and Salafism emerged. In any case, Salafism is basically the most powerful ideology on Earth right now, and the 2000s/2100s will be dominated by how it plays out.

>>17891370
Look, there will always be more starving children. But these rocks were 1 of a kind
>hypocrisy
I already told you, I don't care about starving children. I care about rocks. How am I being a hypocrite?

>>17891432
There can be zero starving children if you stopped prioritizing statues over human lives. If you love silly stones so much then you should probably focus on saving their lives so they can build more of them for you or at least maintain what their ancestors created. You're not the hypocrite btw, the rest of these nations and anons itt shedding crocodile tears however very much are and the trolling is amusing. That's also an artistic one of a kind work so why not value it too?

>>17891453
There will always be a child starving in the world suffering is part of life
>that retarded Muslim quote
Humans have had the technology to destroy entire cities a few statues were not the issue, heck even the Muslims of Egypt were destroying ancient buildings and pyramids but stopped because it was too expensive.

Either way, the only crocodile tears are those of the Taliban if they part as much effort into improving their country as they do their religious practice there wouldn’t be any staving children there.

>>17888030
because it's a business for them. They are generation billions from the pilgrim slaves

>>17891537
If you aren't willing to help alleviate the suffering of starving children you are the problem. There is nothing about the natural world that necessitates we cannot have a society where nobody starves.
>Humans have had the technology to destroy entire cities a few statues were not the issue
That's the point you absolute moron it's just a response to infuriate those who believe statues are worth more than human lives. Of course they had the technology, who the fuck carved it out of stone in the first place? They could have carved it down even further until there was nothing but rubble. The whole point was to make it as disturbing as possible which is why they shot at it and all that

>>17891680
How'd that work out for them?

>>17891680
I forgot. How did blowing up Buddahs prevent children from starving?

Muslims proves yet again to be incapable of moving beyond "whataboutism"

>>17891792
they got a sick moral victory over the degenerate w*stoids, worth thousands of dead afghans

>>17890897
>It is really ironic, most holy site in Islam is just one big tourist trap with predatory hotels.
Muslim traders / pirates were a whole thing. I think this whole notion that Islam and modern capitalism don't mix is totally wrong. Or just look at the UAE. Also suspect that the ISIS stuff is on its way out (it's becoming more of an African thing) and a sort of (actually more traditional) "business Islam" is taking over.

>>17891037
>Islam is basically a more pious form of McDonalds now.
https://youtu.be/C_BZQkU5Cds

>>17891821
They are semites after all, commerce is in their blood

>>17887963 (OP)
I see a toilet.

>>17891932

Some dislike it because it was built on a Turkish imperial fortress, but other than that, I think the reviews are generally positive.

>>17887963 (OP)
I got so fucking mad when I realised that this piece of shit cube isn't even a slab of obsidian and is literally just a brick house with a fucking rug on top