>Ottomans win in 1683
>Suddenly there's no degeneracy, lgbtq ideology, trans children, declining fertility rates in Europe

Turks are to Islam what Nordic Protestants are to Christianity.

>>17889189 (OP)
>>Ottomans win in 1683
The Ottomans have like 10 more Viennas. Berlin, London, Madrid, Copenhague, Rome, Moscow, Paris, Barcelona, Lisbon, Milan, Florence, Varsaw, etc.

>>17889189 (OP)
>Ottomans win
Impossible. They were the sick man of Europe by then.

OttoMonkeys had no tech, a failed economy, terrible soldiers, and a billion ethnicities trying to break free. Much like Turkey would later on.

>>17889192
Because turks arent turkic but descendants of greeks and slavic cattle conquered by turks

>>17889189 (OP)

Because Europe was pagan in 1683, and Islam got rid of the degeneracy that comes with pagayism (homosexuality, rape, drugs, beastiality, granny sex, etc.).

>>17889189 (OP)
>Trad retard doesn't know anything about the culture he thinks is based
Many such cases!

>>17889189 (OP)
>Suddenly there's no degeneracy, lgbtq ideology, trans children
>The Ottoman Empire

>>17889189 (OP)
>>Ottomans win in 1683
>>Suddenly everyone is still living the same life 150 years later

>Turks
>ever being able to beat Germans

>>17889189 (OP)
>ottomans
>anti-degenerate
kocek moment

The only reason Ottomans even made it to Vienna was because the French supplied them with cannons.

>>17889189 (OP)
>no degeneracy, lgbtq ideology, trans children,
>turkish victory
Weakest bait ever

Ottomans are tied with greeks and italians in being boylovers lmao