How can you enjoy heaven if you know your loved ones are suffering in hell eternally? Either your brain is turned into mashed potatoes or you will be forever mourning your dead grandpa's agony.

>>17890002 (OP)
You'll actually get a deep sense of joy out of seeing them burn and flail around forever according to theologians.
>In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned

>>17890002 (OP)

IT'S

>Y BAD THING HAPPEN

ALL OVER AGAIN

>>17890007
Could you be happy for eternity if your grandma was roasting in hellfire forever? It's a simple question.

>>17890009
Yes, because if she’s in hell then she has done evil

>>17890011
Grim

>forsake your mother and father to become my devoted slave, be a good bitch and I will spare your soul while torturing theirs

>>17890016
God is the father of all

>>17890011
Except in Christianity people go to hell because they missed sunday's mass or because they jerked off. Damn, Darth Vader levels of evil.

>>17890002 (OP)
>How can you enjoy heaven if you know your loved ones are suffering in hell eternally?
If they're in Hell, I do not love them.

>>17890020
>If I abandon my family the magic jew will reward me
kek

>>17890023
The bible never says you must go to church. There are multiple saints who lived as hermits

>>17890036
Is my dad in hell for rubbing one out?

>>17890036
>There are multiple saints who lived as hermits
Name one.

>>17890036
Sorry I want explanations only by caths or orthos, even as an agnostic I can see from miles away that protestantism is deeply retarded.

>>17890041

Jerome.

>>17890002 (OP)
>“What I am going to say is not a dogma of faith but my own personal view: I like to think of hell as empty; I hope it is,” Pope Francis said.
I miss this dude so much man

>>17890043
>Jerome.
Have fun burning.

>>17890041
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_known_as_the_Hermit

>>17890042
Saints who were hermits have existed a thousand years before Protestantism has exited

>>17890052
>Eastern Orthodox
>Roman Catholic
>Swedish Catholic
>Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics
>Spanish Roman Catholic priest
>Oriental Orthodox
>etc etc
Yeah, you're going to Hell.

>>17890061
No you are. You aren’t being kind to your fellow Christian’s

>>17890002 (OP)
Because no one is in hell unless the explicitly wanted to be there by hating God

>How can you enjoy sex if you know your grandparents are dead? Either your brain is turned into mashed potatoes or you will be forever mourning your dead grandpa.
That's literally your logic.

>>17890052
You know that Protestantism/Baptism didn't even exist when most of these people lived, right? Of course you don't care about this fact though, because you are a prideful fool who doesn't actually care about God or truth.

>>17890007
Why indeed?

>>17890047
pretty cool guy ngl

>>17890235
>he thinks sex is supposed to be 'enjoyed'
ngmi
sex is for procreation
you burn

>>17890938
>lust is bad, mmkay
Insane Christcuck

>>17890009
If you are saved then you have favor with God so you can go to him and implore his mercy for your grandma and he might forgive her for your sake because he loves you.

According to Islam and Christianity you cannot suffer in heaven

So you either smile absentmindedly while your loved ones are tormented for eternity with no way to escape

Or you forget them completely

>my kind mother who lovingly raised me but didnt believe in christ is suffering in hell burning forever?
>that means she deserved it, good
Christianity truly bring outs the best in people, huh?

>>17890006
Yeah, in Heaven your will is meant to be united to God's will, and since that will be his will... well. The ultimate goal of Christianity is essentially removing your own will and replacing it with God's.. for this reason it's a little scary.

>>17891285
Precisely. You will literally feel the immense joy God feels when torturing sinners in hell for eternity.

>>17891288
It's one of those things that make you wonder whether or not you really want to follow Christianity. Most religions have a hell and most religions have some element of you becoming enlightened or uniting with a deity or some such as the end goal. But usually the hell realm is either uncreated and deriving from some kind negative cycle or at the very least not created by the gods you're meant to worship, or along those lines. You're not meant to take joy or anticipate taking joy in the suffering of the beings there. To be honest, Christianity feels a little demonic in that sense.

>>17891293
What's so demonic about enjoying watching unrighteous people burn in hell?

>>17891310
Unrighteous people are still people, they never chose to be born, made mistakes and now they are endlessly suffering

Thats the kind of outcome a demon would like, you know, the kind that tricks you into making a mistake and then damns you for eternity?

>>17891281
Unless she had a heart full of evil she will not burn in hell.

>>17891288
Ezekiel 18:23
>Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that they should turn from their ways and live?

Ezekiel 33:11
>Say to them: As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that the wicked turn from their ways and live;

You don't know God.

>>17891320
My point exactly, your hearts are stone. Your heart doesnt agonize when it sees suffering, it justifies the suffering

>>17891310
It's not compassionate. There isn't a universe in which it's a compassionate thing to enjoy. It would be one thing if it were a temporary punishment and in which case you could say the person was learning the lesson for transgressions and so you were seeing justice exercised. But if it's eternal - that's just sadism. God is, according to most definitions, incapable of emotion. To experience emotion would be to experience a change, God is unchanging and therefore incapable of emotion. So unlike human punishment this doesn't serve to be of satisfaction to the victim (if we count God as the victim), because God isn't capable of experiencing satisfaction. It's not proportionate, as even if all crimes against an infinite being are, in some sense, infinite then they are also infinitely small and infinitely insignificant - if a calf sacrificed to God is insignificent because only an infinite sacrifice (e.g. Jesus) could be appropriate, then likewise it should be so that any sin committed is too insignificent (for eternal torture) because only a sin committed by an infinite being could possibly do any actual injury to God. It cannot be for rehabilitation because Hell is eternal. It is therefore not just. The only argument that's convincing regarding hell is that the souls within choose to be there as they sort of eternally choose (due to the nature of the soul without a body) not to repent - but in that case it should be a terribly sad affair, since if the repentence of a long-term sinner is enough for all heaven to celebrate then the eternal choice of a sinner not to repent should be an occasion for heaven to mourn.

And what if those burning in hell are ones parents? Then it is against the commandment to honour your father and mother to enjoy watching them burn forever and take delight in it.

>>17891326
Aquinas spoke to God, have you? No. You're just a heretic.
>In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned
And how about Augustine? Who was the worst of sinners and redeemed himself.
>They who shall enter into [the] joy [of the Lord] shall know what is going on outside in the outer darkness. The saints knowledge, which shall be great, shall keep them acquainted with the eternal sufferings of the lost.
Or Tertullian? The great Latin Church Father
>What a spectacle when the world and its many products, shall be consumed in one great flame! How vast a spectacle then bursts upon the eye! What there excites my admiration? What my derision? Which sight gives me joy??As I see illustrious monarchs groaning in the lowest darkness, Philosophers as fire consumes them! Poets trembling before the judgment-seat of Christ! I shall hear the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; view play-actors in the dissolving flame; behold wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows. What inquisitor or priest in his munificence will bestow on you the favor of seeing and exulting in such things as these? Yet even now we in a measure have them by faith in the picturings of imagination.
Or dare I say, even the HOLY APOSTLE OF GOD HIMSELF JOHN!!
>They shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment shall ascend up forever and ever. Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

>>17891335
God is with the suffering. Only evil people who harm and oppress others go to hell.

>>17891339
Then does God weep for those in hell? Does his heart suffer as much as the flesh of those he torments?

>>17891338
None of that says it gives God inmense joy to torture the wicked. God is just enacting justice and allowing us he victims of evil ones to witness it.

>>17890947

>t. lustcuck

>>17891319
Are you implying that God someone set them up to fail? That he would intentionally create life forms to enjoy watching them suffer? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying, that the Lord is a demon who tricks people. That's blasphemy, the worst kind too.

>>17891343
Those in hell hurt others.

>>17891345
>But the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming.
Tick tock. Hahaha.

>>17891352
See >>17891326

>>17890473

"Protestant" is basically a slur for "Christian", and it predates Catho/Ortho

>>17891347
Im not saying that. All im saying is that it seems awfully lottery based whether you are born to a good christian family who teaches you moral value or a nignog hood street that gives toddlers guns and encourages them to shoot the opposing nignog tribes. Okay maybe i am saying that

>>17891356
The Lord is speaking about those who are still alive, not those who have already died and been righteously condemned. God is already displeased by the wickedness of those who are alive, he would not intend to suffer for all eternity by doing that which he does not desire, and so he enjoys tormenting the damned. Case closed. Tick tock.

>>17891352
When God told Abraham that he would destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, did he celebrate or was he grieved and tried to change God's mind?

When the Israelites did wickedness in the wilderness and God told Moses that he was going to kill them, did Moses celebrate or was he grieved and implore God to forgive them?

Read The Apocalypse of Sedrach. It's a conversations between God and Sedrach where he is pleading God to have mercy on mankind and forgive the wicked who repent.

>>17891369
There is no book of that says it gives God inmense joy to torture the wicked.

>>17891374
The Apocalypse of Sedrach is non-canonical. Tick tock.
>>17891378
>For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed; the offspring of the wicked will perish.
Because the LORD's love of the just is infinite and perfect, then his joy in loving them in heaven must likewise be perfected through the torment of the unrighteous. And since heaven is eternal then the goods given to the blessed in heaven must likewise be eternal, thus the damned are punished forever and ever. A man loves his children and feeds them even if he must slay a cow to do so. Thus it is with the Almighty. Tick tock.

>>17891397
Of course God will destroy the wicked, it does not mean it gives them inmense joy.

>>17891397
Yeah i fuck with the lords methods. I eat literal shit to perfect the taste of good food

>>17891403
>It pleased the Lord to crush him.
It is pleasing to the LORD to punish the unrighteous for the sake of those he loves.

>>17891397
"Completely destroyed" is annihilationism though

Maybe you should update you script to enjoy oblivion lol

>>17891407
So why is Lucifer allowed to rape humanity indefinitely? A just god father would have killed satan on the garden after abusing your metaphorical kids

This Jew garbage is just nonsense

>when u see ur family eternally burned forever and tortured but its ok because the Jewish demon rewrote your brain to enjoy watching it

>>17891415
Satan is being punished. He is simply allowed to wander the earth to lead the unrighteous into destruction.

>>17891419
>Satan is being punished. He is simply allowed to wander the earth accomplishing what was established to be his sole goal.

>>17891407
Guess I was wrong.

Woe to you, ye rich, for ye have trusted in your riches, And from your riches shall ye depart, Because ye have not remembered the Most High in the days of your riches.

Ye have committed blasphemy and unrighteousness, And have become ready for the day of slaughter, And the day of darkness and the day of the great judgement.

Thus I speak and declare unto you: He who hath created you will overthrow you, And for your fall there shall be no compassion, And your Creator will rejoice at your destruction.

-

Believe, ye righteous, that the sinners will become a shame and perish in the day of unrighteousness.

Be it known unto you (ye sinners) that the Most High is mindful of your destruction, And the angels of heaven rejoice over your destruction.

>>17891430
I wonder if God and his angels would be upset if everyone passed the test and went to heaven. Seems like they are really looking forward to burning some motherfuckers

>>17891430
Welcome to the club.
>>17891426
You have a choice. Tick tock.

>>17891440
No, I reject your demonic wager. You're trying to make the sheep enter the slaughterhouse by saying otherwise the wolves will get them, but that is why Jesus is known as a shepherd, isn't it?

>>17891443
Either pick up your cross or prepare yourself, but do not be deceived. Tick. Tock.

>>17891445
You are the deceiver, that's what I'm saying. Trying to pressure people into accepting a deal to scoop out their brains and be assimilated into your god

>>17891461
So what are you implying? That the LORD is Satan? Do you understand how blasphemous that is?

>>17890009
My grandma was objectively a better human being than me, so that won' t happen.
And now stop shitposting.

>>17891439
God delights in repentance. But destroying those who are responsible for the suffering of the innocent is simply justice. They enjoyed of all the wealth of the world by oppressing the poor. Their houses were built with their sweat and blood. They crushed the poor under their feet so now they will be crushed by the feet of the Most High.

>>17891466
I reject the idea of a creator god, I do not reject the existence of deities, but I reject the idea of a creator god. Trying to deceive people into worshipping your preferred deity under threat of eternal torment is wrong. Especially given that pre-Christian Judaism had no Hell resembling the Christian understanding, so the idea of that eternal torment rests on a belief in a specific and unsubstantiated historical event.

Prove Jesus.

>>17891502

>>17891503
>>17891506
Tick tock.

>>17891509
That's not an answer. You have to logically substantiate your claims.

>>17891503
Ancient Israelites believed in the book of Enoch and it Always talked about hell.

>>17890235
That's not remotely the point. There's a huge difference between me being alive, able to experience pleasure and discomfort, while my loved ones are dead and gone forever, and me existing eternally in bliss, while also accepting that my loved ones also exist eternally, but in excruciating pain.

>>17890934
Yeah man, the people on here that are so thrilled about the idea of other people suffering, always confuse me. Why would it bring you any modicum of joy, to know that another person is suffering endlessly, under any circumstances?

If God is existence, then to be away from him is non-existence. I can't imagine that "hell" would be anything more than total non-being. If you live your life apart from God, then it only makes sense that you would come to not exist in the end

>>17891589
If you are rigtheous then you don't have evil loved ones because rigtheous people hate evil.

>>17891595
>Yeah man, the people on here that are so thrilled about the idea of other people suffering, always confuse me. Why would it bring you any modicum of joy, to know that another person is suffering endlessly, under any circumstances?
Let it be known that you are defending the cause of people like pic related.

>>17891595
How hot do you think the flames are for Bergoglio? How loudly do you think the angels and saints cheered when he dropped into the lake of fire?

>>17891606