Why nordcucks and French think we Spaniards should be ashamed of Al Andus? It was far more accomplished and prosperous than their shitholes. Also we know for sure now that ethnically it was 99% iberians so nothing to be ashamed of, rather the opposite, I'm quite proud of what was achieved there.

>>17890396 (OP)
*Al Andalus

>>17890396 (OP)
Panchitada histórica

>>17890399
??? I'm Spanish and many think like me.

>>17890396 (OP)
mashallah, it was beautiful while it lasted

this is quite literally the most retarded take. You are more proud of a muslim colonial state then you were of the Spanish fucking empire.

Eurvpe has fvllen fvr

>>17890421
>You are more proud of a muslim colonial state then you were of the Spanish fucking empire
I'm proud of both
>muslim colonial state
99% of the muslims were just Iberians converts. Averroes, Ibn Khaldun, Abulcasis, Ibn Arabi, Avempace were Iberians.

>>17890421
OP is letrinX, nobody in Iberian peninsula want to have anything to do with terrorism and jihadism

>>17890421
Brother iberian muslims considered arabs and nafris human garbage just like persians did. You can read about Averroes and Ibn Gharsiya and their rants about nafri and arab inferiority are hilarious.
Also islam in Spain was very catholic in character, they celebrated christmas, easter and venerated saints

>>17890421
The panchito is an illiterate.

It was literally ISIS/Taliabs but during Middle-Ages. With Spaniards turned into paying Jizya eight class subjects unabled to carry weapons and to join army to ascend socially. With Muslim warbands leading 2 annual raids against Christians to get slaves to sell in the markets of Africa and Near East. Also the first religious massacres and deportations in Europe's history by Almohads and Almoravids. And massive destruction of Grecoroman and Gothic heritage (basilicas, temples, palaces, theatres, etc.) as the temple of Hercules in Cadiz burned down by Muslims.

>>17890438
based understander
>>17890437
>>17890446
retards, read better.
yes the almohads and almoravids were jihadists nafroids retards but they don't represent all of islamic era spain

Why do Spaniards have such a hard time accepting the fact that they're part African?

>>17890438
>Brother iberian muslims considered arabs and nafris human garbage
sounds like obvious cope for losing to them 2bh

>>17890459
Who lost was a small germanic elite just like in Persia. Muslim iberia was very similar to Persia with regards to Arabs

>>17890451
You forget to read the Spaniards from VIII and IX centuries records of Mahommedan persecution against Spaniards, Mexcrement.

>"We suffer no distress from the destruction of our basilicas, from the disgrace and insult of our priests, from the heavy tribute that we pay every month with great anguish and hardship; death itself would be less painful if it could put an end to so many calamities, to the painful agony of a life sustained in such poverty and constraint."
-Memoriale Sanctorum, Saint Eulogius of Córdoba, IX century.

Almanzor pillaged and destroyed in his lifetime more monasteries than Vikings in all their history. He also burned Barcelona. And sieged, sacked and destroyed Compostela and made Spaniards to carry the bells of the Cathedral to Córdoba to humiliate them. Abderraman III was quite near to Almanzor in the matter of Jihading Kaffirs and destroying their cities, villages and holy sites.

Al-Andalus was the ISIS/Talibans of Middle-Ages. Nothing of value ever came from it. And only Muslims like it because they want to recreate it in Europe at mass scale to exterminate Europeans and they did exterminate Assyrians, Copts, Punics, Greeks, Syriacs and Armenians from the Near East.

>>17890461
>'the handful of 100% pure visigoths fought alone without relying on the obvious manpower all around them o algo'
come on tostiloco, not even you really believe that

>>17890463
Are you retarded? They were feudal lords and they were able to raise troops as such but there wasn't a thing such as national army.
There was a civil war between visigoths and the losing side invited the arabs

>>17890467
>the hispano-roman levies lost to the arabs alongside their visigoth masters
thank you for the concession tostiloco

>>17890462

For the Siege of Gondor, Tolkien inspired on Almanzor using the beheaded heads of Spaniards during the Siege of Barcelona to demoralize Spaniards.

I quote verbatim from an Muslim chronicler about the siege of Barcelona:

>"The terror on the day the city was taken was such that it is said that the heads of men and boys were cut off and thrown inside the city and that the Muslims threw them back at the besieged. Other heads were sent to Córdoba and hung themselves at the gates of the city so that all those who entered and left could see the ferocity of the Muslims" (Chronicle of Ibn Idari al-Marrakushi).

>>17890462
>Almanzor pillaged and destroyed in his lifetime more monasteries than Vikings in all their history. He also burned Barcelona. And sieged, sacked and destroyed Compostela and made Spaniards to carry the bells of the Cathedral to Córdoba to humiliate them. Abderraman III was quite near to Almanzor in the matter of Jihading Kaffirs and destroying their cities, villages and holy sites.
vgh...all those spanish dancing boys getting raped by their arab BVLL masters...

>>17890396 (OP)
Islam is repulsive and dirty, and there is nothing you can do to whitewash it.

>>17890461
Yes.
>>17890462
Ok there were persecutions and?
Do English hate the Elizabethean period because of anti Catholic persecution
Do the French hate Louis XIV because of anti Calvinist and Jansenists persecutions?
>>17890463
Visigoths largely still existed as a separate caste. Most Hispano Romans welcomed the Muslims as liberators from these retarded germoids.

>>17890469
Almanzor was just an Andalusian doing some trolling around in the Galician and Catalonian backcountry, fundamentally not different from a duke of Burgundy in France doing some torlling around against the Franc-Comtois except for religion

>>17890511
Ibn Hawqal:
>"There is in al-Andalus more than one agricultural exploitation that brings together thousands of peasants who are ignorant of everything about urban life and are Europeans of Christian confession. It happens that sometimes they rebel and fortify themselves in the heights; the repression is long, because they are proud and obstinate. And when they have thrown off the yoke of obedience, it is extremely difficult to reduce them, unless they are exterminated to the last one, a long and unfortunate undertaking."


>Ok there were persecutions and?
It was a jihadist terrorist alien regime that tried to ethnic cleanse Spaniards in their very lands.

>Do English hate the Elizabethean period because of anti Catholic persecution
England is to this day a Protestant monarchy. Being anti Catholic is part of their identity.

>Do the French hate Louis XIV because of anti Calvinist and Jansenists persecutions?
Same than above.

Next time try defend ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Talibans as well.

>>17890512
>Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Razi proudly says in "Report of the kings of Al-Andalus" that during VIII century all the Christian temples of Cordoba, Emerita Augusta, Zaragoza, Italica, Tarraco and Toledo were destroyed or turned into mosques

>>17890396 (OP)
Al Andalus is an Arab civilization, the only role played by European barbarians there were farm equipments & concubines.

>>17890517
>There were wars in the middle ages
poggers
>>17890523
Too bad we have genetic testing and such. Al Andalus was an Iberian civilization of Arabic tongue and relgion, but still Iberians. Arabs weren't relevant and the few arabs that came mixed themselves out of existence as you correctly pointed out.

>>17890527
>Too bad we have genetic testing and such
Agreed and it shows that Andalus was an Arab civilization, the only Iberian contribution being maternal.

Pre-Arab Southern Iberia was never racially Iberian btw, it was colonized by Phoenicians who regarded the White locals as savages and retained strong tie with North Africa and Lebanon.

>>17890534
>shows that Andalus was an Arab civilization
It shows that they were similar to modern iberians and very distant genetically from nafris and arabs
>Pre-Arab Southern Iberia was never racially Iberian btw, it was colonized by Phoenicians who regarded the White locals as savages and retained strong tie with North Africa and Lebanon.
actual mental illness
BTW arabs are the product of J churkas raping proto semitic natufian women

>>17890396 (OP)
T.

>>17890434
>Averroes, Ibn Khaldun, Abulcasis, Ibn Arabi, Avempace were Iberians.
Theres no evidence that any of them were native Iberians

>>17890549
>iberians have been bred for 700 years by picrel
Yikes
No wonder they look so "exotic"

>>17890563
>Theres no evidence that any of them were native Iberians
"There's no evidence that people born in Spain in a society where 99% of the people were Iberians were native Iberians"
>>17890566
Spaniards do have some berbers DNA but it has nothing to do with the modern inbred and heavily negroid nafris. Pure berbers are virtually extinct now.

>>17890585
>"There's no evidence that people born in Spain in a society where 99% of the people were Iberians were native Iberians"
Even the present day Moriscoes of Morocco have a largely european genotypes. They cluster closer to Germans than to other Moroccans

>>17890536
It shows that al-Andalus was essentially an Arab ethnostate where the native Iberian populace was relegated to servile status much like Roman Iberia was an Italian sub-ethnostate with Italian patricians ruling over a mass of Iberian plebeians.

The Iberians never truly had a golden age, unlike other Europeans. It's kinda hilarious when you think about it.

>BTW arabs are the product of J churkas raping proto semitic natufian women
The mtDNA of Natufians is Churka, it was Semites raping churka females. These women enjoyed every second of it btw as churkas are half mongoloid/ANE mixed race and thus have asian micro dicks.

>>17890596
>It shows that al-Andalus was essentially an Arab ethnostate where the native Iberian populace was relegated to servile status much like Roman Iberia was an Italian sub-ethnostate with Italian patricians ruling over a mass of Iberian plebeians.
Both false
>The mtDNA of Natufians is Churka, it was Semites raping churka females. These women enjoyed every second of it btw as churkas are half mongoloid/ANE mixed race and thus have asian micro dicks.
J is a caucasian haplogroup you retarded arab. You were raped by them.

>>17890396 (OP)
Are these "nordcucks" in the room with us right now?

>>17890614
Yes. You

Araps are desperate to claim Al Andalus even though they contributed even less to it than nafris.
This is because they have a massive inferiority complex caused by the fact that most relevant Islamic figures are of Persian origins so they try to larp Al Andalus to save their reputations even though their 70 IQ can't question why all these Arabs were mysteriously born in Europe and none of them were born in the Arabian peninsula.
Anyway genetic testing has revealed that Arabs virtually did not exist in Al Andalus, all the samples are Iberian like and a few are Jewish like. You lost Mahmud

>>17890596
Shitalians and Arabs.
Both LARPing Iberian history and both denying that they are J churka rapebabies, such a heartwarming connection between two so similar people...

>>17890612
The Natufians carried mtDNA J2 and R0, both of which are of Churka origin. We dominated and raped them.

>retarded arab
I am not Arab, I simply recognize that Andalus was built by them instead of Iberians.

It's sad that the Iberians have achieved so little that they're now reduced to trying to Iberianize an Arab colonial project built on the suffering of countless Iberian natives.

>>17890800
>J2
>mtdna
Holy retarded arape cuck

>>17890802
>he doesn't know about mtDNA J2
Are you a spic larping as an Iberian?

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J_mtDNA.shtml

>>17890800
>I am not Arab, I simply recognize that Andalus was built by them instead of Iberians.
Why couldn't they build anything similar to it in Arabia then? Why did they had to go all the way to Europe to build something ressembling a civilization? Why did Arabs while allegedly being 1% of Al Andalus population were able to produce an abundance of Scholars that outmatched large European countries like France or the HRE but were not able to do so in their homeland?

>>17890808
You semitic baboon he was obviously talking about the paternal haplogroups J1 and J2 that make most of the Arabian peninsula and Levant paternal ancestry. Most of the Arabic maternal line is R0 which indeed originated in the Arabian peninsula, indicating that Caucasian J men raped proto semitic whores.
Fucking 80 IQ monkey, how do you even have access to the internet in your third world hellhole?

>>17890813
I’m talking about mtDNA. Natufians carried Churka female mtDNA, which indicates that it was us taking and raping their women rather than the other way around.

As for Y-DNA J1 and J2, those haplogroups entered through captured Hurrian slaves who worked on our slave plantations. They’re not dominant anywhere in the Levant, just a strong minority, among Bedouin trashes and other uncivilized subhumans.

Arabia is predominantly J because Churka/Iranians settled it first; we conquered it later.

You can crawl back to your favela now, latrino mutt.

>>17890809
Are you retarded? Many scholars like Ibn al-Haytham and Al-kindi were based in Baghdad. And there many universities/libraries like the house of wisdom around the Islamic world

>>17890830
>Ibn al-Haytham
Persian
>Al-kindi
Wow so one dude. This totally justify that 1% of the population of Al Andalus was able to grow these Averroes, Ibn Tufail, Ibn Arabi, Ibn Khaldun, Avempace, Abulcasis all like that magically out of nowhere.

>>17890845
How would you prove that these people like Averroes, Ibn Tufail, Avempace, and the rest of them were actually of Muslims of pure Celtiberian descent, as opposed to members of a ghettoized ethnic group distinct from the majority of the population, like Jews in Germany/Austria (such as Edmund Husserl, Albert Einstein, Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Emmy Noether)?

>>17890829
>I’m talking about mtDNA
And I was talking about YDNA. The J mtDna is of broadly west asian origin, not precisely caucasian, unlike the paternal J who is precisely from caucasus.
>As for Y-DNA J1 and J2, those haplogroups entered through captured Hurrian slaves who worked on our slave plantations. They’re not dominant anywhere in the Levant, just a strong minority, among Bedouin trashes and other uncivilized subhumans.
>Arabia is predominantly J because Churka/Iranians settled it first; we conquered it later.
Nuclear level of cope. J IS the predominant haplogroup in the Levant, and in Arabia too which btw was never Iranian and even less caucasian hahaha
>You can crawl back to your favela now, latrino mutt.
I'm posting from a comfy large house in northern france, you're posting from a hut in the middle of a desert in a third world country.

>>17890853
Weren't you a 75 IQ ape you would have noticed that I did not claim that Maimonid was Iberian, because we know that Jews were a separated group of people and we can indeed confirm it through genetic testing ; Jewish tombs in Al Andalus all have a Sephardi genetic profile, Muslim ones all have an Iberian genetic profile, even the moriscos of present day Morocco retain largely this profile even if some mixing happened. We don't have any north african like individuals, much less levantine or arabic.

>>17890856
>The J mtDna is of broadly west asian origin
MtDNA J2 & R0 originated in the Caucasus among CHG, they are markers indicating Churka female ancestry. Natufian males carry these lineages because they dominated CHG boys and took their women.

>Nuclear level of cope.
There's no cope on my part. J was brought to the Levant by Hurrians, who came there as slaves working on Semitic plantations and workshops. This is basic history.

The Levant is not predominantly J either, it has a plurality of haplogroups: E, J, G, T, Q, L, H, and so on. Among them, E represents the Semitic racial elite that imported the rest as slaves: be they Hurrian slaves, Mamluk slaves, Saqaliba slaves, Circassian slaves, Zutt slaves and so on.

>I'm posting from a comfy large house in northern france, you're posting from a hut in the middle of a desert in a third world country.
Nova França in Brazil isn't France, Paco.

>>17890861
>Muslim ones all have an Iberian genetic profile
Sure, and Hindu tombs in Southern India all have a Dalit-like Dravidian genetic profile.

>>17890882
>Haplogroup R0, particularly R0a, likely originated in the Near East or Arabian Peninsula ~20,000–30,000 years ago, with evidence from ancient DNA and modern distributions pointing to a southern Near Eastern origin rather than the Caucasus
You're such a lousy coper lmfao
we can continue this conversation on /int/ if you want >>>/int/213399288

>>17890886
I don't think there's a large difference between caste in india but i'm not a specialist, from brahmin to dalit they're all the same shitskin to me. I think we do have specific brahmin tomb however and if there's a genetic difference then they would indicate it.

>>17890896
a large genetic difference i meant

>>17890893
I'm waiting for your answer >>213399457

Nice VPN btw

>>17890896
Brahmins from Tamil Nadu still look Iranid as fuark, whereas Dalits got that SEA Negrito look to them all the way up to Uttar Pradesh.
Anyway, since you sound like a Latin American who knows nothing about Eurasian history, I ought to remind you that post-Reconquista Spanish Christian kingdoms imposed a caste system separating Muslims and Christians of recent Muslim descent from old Christians. The fact that it was even possible to do this was because people who were of recent Muslim descent were ethnically distinct, and thus visibly distinct, from old Christians.

>>17890915
>>>/int/213399288
not a vpn, btw
I can record a vocaroo later if you want joseph, you'll see that i'm not larping

>>17890917
>I ought to remind you that post-Reconquista Spanish Christian kingdoms imposed a caste system separating Muslims and Christians of recent Muslim descent from old Christians
I'm fully aware of that, that's because these Moriscos were slightly mixed and they were very autistic about race and religion but this was more about religion than race really
for example the Canarians who were even more mixed were never subjected to such discriminations

>>17890928
In Spanish colonies in the New World, it was also common for brown-ass descendants of collaborators like Tlaxacallans to have a privileged status, but that still didn't stop Spanish people from using brownness as a sign of inferiority, in the same way the OG Nazis were fine with having big-nosed Italians, Croats, and even Arabs as their collaborators, even though they absolutely discriminated the fuck against any hook-nosed Jews and Gypsies in territories they controlled, and used specific physiognomic traits to visually tell apart real Northern/Central Europeans from Jews, only making an exception for people who were proven members of designated collaborator groups.

>>17890944
>point godwin out of nowhere

>>17890438
Iberians where just seething that they got btfo
>just like persians did
What are you talking about
Same servile cucks who got raped by everybody and they never encountered berbers
>>17890446
Cope iberberian

>>17890461
>germanic elite
>persia
What are you talking about mentally ill iberberian ?

Also cope
Germanics and their iberberian slaves got buttraped by nafris
Same for persian cucks who got raped by arabs and turks
And persians now literally worship an arab man daily due to shia turks ruling over them with the safavids

>>17890462
No they didnt since their dna is mostly unchanged

>>17890585
Ancient berbers had 5 % SSA DNA
Modern berbers have 10 % SSA DNA
Stop coping

>>17890612
He is talking about MTDNA here retard
And no J is neither churka or arab

>>17891368
>>17891372
You must have an IQ of at least 90 to post here.

>>17890782
>muh persian cucks
Literally scientifically irrelevant before islam you retarded low t cuck
And no arabs where also part of the elites of iberia and obviously influenced it a lot

>>17891381
Retard get up to date with the latest studies. IBM had a green saharan ancestry which is unrelated to SSA.

>>17890813
He is talking about MTDNA you spic cuck baboon

>>17890856
oh its the gweron cuck of iberberian origin living in france

>>17891383
I started to talk about J as a paternal haplogroup and he started to talk about J as mtdna either to cope or because he is plainly retarded
>And no J is neither churka or arab
All I know is that according to the latest studies they first emerged in the caucasus
>>17891387
Why this Arabs elites did not produce anything of value in Arabia then? Why did they had to go to Europe to do something? Why modern Iberians don't have any Arab dna (as opposed to a small north african one) and why do the muslim tombs in al andalus display individuals who were largely Iberians with a small nafri component similar to modern Canarians?

>>17891384
Gweron iberberian cuck cope lmao
Iberians got raped and the persians cucks you mouth over got raped by foreigners for 3000 years straight

>>17891402
You brought up the presence of J in the Levant as evidence that churkas raped us. To which I responded that Natufian female lineages are all churkas meaning it was us raping churkas.

Don't make me post about North African female lineages because you won't like what I have to say about the biggests North African mtDNA (H1, H3 and U6) and where they originated from.

>>17891402
nta but they did actually, the oldest civilizations are related to natufians and saudis are the most closely related to them. anyway it doesn't matter their ideology was imposed upon you and now you're claiming it's actually yours like a pathetic cuck

>>17891416
>To which I responded that Natufian female lineages are all churkas meaning it was us raping churkas
I already demonstrated that R0 wasn't a chruka lineage, but your paternal lineage, J, is. But you seems too dumb to understand.
>Don't make me post about North African female lineages because you won't like what I have to say about the biggests North African mtDNA (H1, H3 and U6) and where they originated from.
>>17891425
Go to bed Joseph you pathetic rapebaby.

>>17891405
dumb nafri toilet cleaner

>>17891437
My paternal lineage is E-M81, not J, you mentally ill spic.

U6, started as churka lineage like J2 and R0, but later entered Iberia and was introduced into NA through the mass rape of Paleolithic Spanish women. Both H1 and H3 are Iberian lineages, introduced there through the mass enslavment rape of Medieval Spanish women.

Historically, Spain is a giant female slave market where we go to pick our women.

>>17891437
You literally have nafri blood flowing through your veins right now spajeet, why are you calling others rapebabies?

>>17891437
My paternal lineage is E-M81, not J, you mentally ill spic.

U6, started as a churka lineage like J2 and R0, but later entered Iberia and was introduced into NA through the mass rape of Paleolithic Spanish women by Taforalt. Both H1 and H3 are Iberian lineages, introduced there through the mass enslavement & rape of Medieval Spanish women by Moors.

Historically, Spain is a giant female slave market where we go to pick our women.

ftfm

>>17891477
Projection. No one thinks Moorberians are white. Moors made all of them brown except Basques.

>>17891480
great so you accept that Al Andalus was a brown civilization with semitic values

Early Medieval Muslim Graves in France - Gleize et al. 2016
>Finally, palaeogenomic analyses conducted on the human remains provide arguments in favor of a North African ancestry of the three individuals, at least considering the paternal lineages

*

Biomolecular insights into North African-related ancestry, mobility and diet in eleventh-century Al-Andalus - Silvia et al. 2021
>Uniparental lineages indicate North African ancestry, but at the autosomal level he displays a mosaic of North African and European-like ancestries, distinct from any present-day population.

*

The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years - Olalde et al. 2019
>Gene flow from North Africa continued into the Muslim period, as is clear from Muslim burials with elevated North African and sub-Saharan African ancestry (Figs. 2D, S4 and table S22), and uniparental markers typical of North Africa not present among pre-Islamic individuals (Figs. 2D and S11).
/his/ Anonymous Mon 15 Aug 2022 03:39:13 No.13799864 ViewReport


Genomic insights into Early Islamic period in Northern Iberia - Villalba-Mouca et al. (incoming)
>The prelimenary results obtained from reconstructed pedigrees at the site suggest that this cemetery represents the first few generations of intermarriage with several examples of North African/Near Eastern men and local women.

tl;dr Spanish contribution to Andalus was maternal only

>>17891478
ok joseph
>>17891477
>>17891480
irrelevant cartoons
>>17891500
yes they had some "nafri" haplogroups, big deal, they were still overwhelmingly iberian autosomally

>>17891510
>some "nafri" haplogroups
mostly"nafri" haplogroups*

It was a thoroughly brown civilization, only 15% of Andalusian were local.

>>17890527
They were not Spaniards/Iberians.
They were Jihadist terrorists from Arabia leading a terror regime in European soil.

Just kys Muzziegroid fucker, nobody wanna have anything to do with your terrorism.

>>17891538
even if it were true haplogroup is only a fraction of your dna
some peruvians are r1b while being 80+% indians, theyre not spanish, also we know that there were a lot of nafri slaves
stop coping, you have nothing to do with al andalus, you're desesperate to claim it because you have no history

>>17890585
>Pure berbers are virtually extinct now
"pure" berbers are found in southern morocco and the sahara

>>17891500
>>17891538
islamic iberians aren't modern iberians, modern iberians have small percentages of nafri haplogroups

>>17891668
haplomemes aren't reevant
islamic iberians cluster with canarians

>>17891745
>haplomemes aren't reevant
they are in establishing paternity, those "canarian-like" mutts in islamic south iberia may have been genetically closer to iberians than to north africans overall but their fathers were mostly not iberian, modern iberians largely descend from european males
>islamic iberians cluster with canarians
exactly, they're mutts like canarians and not true iberians

>>17890456
you're a greekshart

>>17891803
canarians are still considered spaniards even if a bit different

im so happy to see the anti spain/iberian schizo has returned. i was getting worried that all the old guard (mordvix, frisian, joseph, canadian) was disappearing and haploautism and racebaiting would disappear forever from /his/ but this thread gives me hope that the old ways are still going strong

>>17890396 (OP)
It's funny how the most intellectual Islamic civilization of all time that Muslims kang over to this day just happened to be the only one consisting of white Europeans.

>>17891998
he never left and neither did i

>>17890396 (OP)
>Why nordcucks and French think we Spaniards should be ashamed of Al Andus

because you are and seethe everytime it is mentioned

>>17890813
Man, I know this is 4chan but the amount of hatred and antipathy you conveyed in so few words is sad

>>17890396 (OP)
>I'm proud these guys from the other block invaded my house and fucked my wife in front of my kids while my poor neighbors watched
Weird flex, OP

>shit nobody outside of 4chan.org cares about: the thread

>>17892194
I'm not
>>17892008
This guy get it
>>17892448
The visigoths weren't Spaniards

>>17890396 (OP)
>I’m PROUD of being raped into submission by my islamic masters
Truly you medbugs and nordcucks are more similar than you are different

>>17892569
>The visigoths weren't Spaniards
So you weren’t raped by arabs, you were raped by germans AND arabs?

>>17892616
All of Europe was invaded by germanic barbarians after the fall of Rome, hardly something unique.

>>17891611
>even if it were true haplogroup is only a fraction of your dna
Irrelevant. They still indicate we ruled over you and raped your women. Your only contribution to Andalus was filling our harem.

You are basically an inferior copy of Italians & Greeks, mongrelized whites like them but without any notable historical accomplishments.

>Pelagius was left by his uncle at the age of ten as a hostage with the Caliph Abd-ar-Rahman III of al-Andalus, in trade for a clerical relative previously captured by the Moors, the bishop Hermoygius.
>The exchange never occurred, and Pelagius remained a captive for three years.
>The Caliph offered him his freedom if Pelagius converted to Islam. The boy, having remained a pious Christian, refused the Caliph's offer.
>His beauty was such that the Caliph fell in love with him when he had attained the age of 13.
>The boy, having remained a pious Christian, refused the Caliph's advances, striking the monarch and insulting him.
>Enraged, Abd-ar-Rahman had the boy tortured for six hours and then dismembered. Other accounts have him being shot from a catapult over the city walls, with the Caliph expecting his body to be dashed on the rocks of the river.
>When Pelagius emerged from this harsh sentence unharmed, he was then decapitated. The various accounts uphold his refusal to fulfil the Caliph's wishes.
Wow what a civilized and enlightened society. Oh wait, it was just another generic islamic, boy diddling, hostage taking shithole.

>>17892705
>source
>a christian hagiography (fanfiction)
Actual history books mention that he had a harem of 6300 Baltic & Slavic women and hundreds of children. The only homosexuals in back then were Iberian priests who suspiciously didn't marry women but loved to stay around little choir boys.

>>17892760
>Actual history books mention that he had a harem of 6300 Baltic & Slavic women and hundreds of children
Yeah that sounds way more believable than a moslem just being a faggot pedophile.

>>17892633
No we contributed Philosophers, Scientists and Writers. Something the rest of the Islamic world minus Iran has never been able to produce

Lmao at muzzies coping and malding itt

>>17892766
yts are going extinct because your women choose blacks over you or even dogs while white men shoot up schools in frustration or join the army to die for israel. Its like you timmycels have no self-awareness at all, you're the biggest faggots in existence

>>17892793
Yes, historical chronicles sound a lot more believable than the gay fantasy written by a wifeless childless iberian christcuck in some man-only monastery.

>>17892766
Yes, historical chronicles sound a lot more believable than the gay fantasy written by a wifeless childless iberian christcuck in some man-only monastery.

>>17892853

>>17892853
Nafri women are the biggest coalburner in the world

>>17892938
wallahi they're 'coalburning' with based bilals

>>17892938
Black dna in the Maghreb comes from female slaves. While white women are the main advocates for mass non-white immigration due to their love for BBC

>>17892938
They are descended from enslaved white women so it's not surprising that they kept the genetic memory of their BBC-loving white foremothers.

>>17892957
Switch those kosher colors

>>17892957
this is a fake map with broken links, nafris worship negros, you worship negros too since you use the word "bbc" despite negros having tiny penises on average

>>17892962
>>17892966
timmy copium

>>17892966
Muslimas loved their black cocks so much their husbands had to cut them off so their women would stop fucking them.

>>17892969
black men have such small penises they literally can't satisfy women

Why do Muslims are soo obsessed to be Southern Europeans?
OP >>17890396 (OP) you need to stop larping, nobody in Spain or Portugal think your pedophile sand cult of Arabia is attractive. Iberians are the least Orientalists in Western Europe.

No, you are not Latin Catholics. You are Berbers, a kind of Negroid type with Negroid genes. You have absolutely nothing of European. When an Spaniard, Portuguese, French or Italian stare at you, they are repulsed.

You are to Europeans what Orcs are to Elves. A twisted deformation and mockery of European values, ideals and history.