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>>17890450
is this you

the french bourbons singlehandedly dismantling the spanish empire - and simulatenously having thousands of spanish peasants fight and die to keep them on the throne against napoleon - is funnier 2bh

truly a race of genetic cannon fodder

>>17890470
>the french bourbons singlehandedly dismantling the spanish empire
They didn't? It was Bolivar or San Martín who were both 100% Spanish
They did however literally dismantle the French empire by losing Canada to the Anglos and handing over Louisiana.
>and simulatenously having thousands of spanish peasants fight and die to keep them on the throne against napoleon
Spain won in the end though?
And the Spanish bourbons were not French
Sad cope overall.

>>17890474
>the spanish singlehandedly dismantled the spanish empire
kek even funnier
>Spain won in the end though?
Yes they won the right for french BVLLs to retain the spanish throne
>were not French
patrilineage is the only thing that matters

>>17890470
TRVKE

And I say it as an Spanish myself. The very idea my countrymen allowed a Calvinist French family to destroy our empire and country is quite beyond my understanding.

Even the separatist movements in Cataluña and Euskalerria were born due Bourbons.

>>17890478
>patrilineage is the only thing that matters
So a bantu from Haiti is French because he likely has some distant patrilineal French ancestor?
Mind you I'm 7/8 French-Flemish myself and my father side is fully French-Flemish yet I would gladly have millions of French die in the most horrible way just to prevent a single Spanix child from catching a cold. Your reasoning does not hold.

>>17890482
Most Bourbons were retarded both in Spain, France and Italy but thinking they're the sole reason of the downfall of Spain is genuine brainrot.

>>17890474
Bolivar and San Martin rebelled because they were ashamed of Bourbonic Spain. They were ashamed that peninsular did fight for a Callvinist French family. It was the Creoles the ones who inherited the most of Old Christian Hidalgo mindset of Golden Century. It were Creoles who made Castilian America's official language. ANd it were Creoles the ones who started to save the legacy of Cervantes, Suárez, Quevedo, Gracián and other writers, mystics and scholastics from Baroque period who were scorned and demonized during the Enlightenment.

It was Ferdinand VI and his father who after allowing Napoleon to devastate the peninsula, asked again his French countrymen to decapitate the reformist regime of Riego with the invasion of the Hundred Thousand Sons of Saint Louis to restore his family to the throne in Madrid.

>>17890485
>picks his (maternal) grandfather's ancestry to vghpost about
>but patrilineagemaxxxing is le bad
are you okay francois

>>17890487
>Bolivar and San Martin rebelled because they were ashamed of Bourbonic Spain
No they rebelled because they were traitorous piece of shit who wanted to pursue their own degenerate ways.
>They were ashamed that peninsular did fight for a Callvinist French family
They were Anglophilic masons lmao.
>It was the Creoles the ones who inherited the most of Old Christian Hidalgo mindset of Golden Century
Are you a latinx?
>Riego
He was a retard who took advantage of the rebellion of his masonic colleagues in America to start his gay revolt and everyone hated him which is why the 100,000 sons of Saint Louis barely faced any oppositions
>>17890491
It essentially amount to Spain being cooler than la fronsse

>>17890486
They were good for France, the so called French hegemony was a thing because of Louis XIV.
For Spain they were terrible, they did milk Spanish wealth for France first, and then for British and Americans later on during the past century. Not counting the warfare they made on Spanish culture at the moment they arrived or the constant delivery of territories since they arrived. Sicily, Sardinia, Naples, Belgium, Cuba, Florida, Philippines, W. Sahara, Hispaniola, Curazao, the peninsula itself to Napoleon, etc.

>>17890495
Read Bolivar records during his visit to Madrid and the Bourbons court. And then you will talk. They were anti-Bourbons, not anti-Spain.

And Bolivar and San Martin themselves proposed to Spain to held a monarchical hegemony in the sense of Commonwealth, but the Bourbon rejected the very idea. Because the Bourbons never valued the nation in itself, but their own interests.

>>17890500
>Read Bolivar records during his visit to Madrid and the Bourbons court. And then you will talk. They were anti-Bourbons, not anti-Spain.
They were quite literally Anglophilic and Masons
>>17890496
>They were good for France
And Ferdinand VI and Charles III were good for Spain
Louis XV and Louis XVI were both disastrous rulers
Honestly you're a schizo with a single minded obsession thinking all the wrong of a country can be blamed solely on its ruler and at this point I doubt you're even Spanish give how much you jerk off new worlders

>>17890501
And for record I agree that most Bourbons were dogshit rulers but if it had been the habsburgs or any other family sitting on the throne i frankly doubt it would have been any different

>>17890448 (OP)
>Catanegro
>white

>>17890501
They weren't. Actually they were very critical of British and British expansionism in America.

Also, Charles III dragged Spain to a war against Britain because French ordered him to do so, and he lost Cuba, Florida and Philippines to British. He was an incompetent cunt.

Ferdinand VI was even more pathetic by surrending the nation to Napoleon, and selling letters to the greaser to adopt him. He was a pathetic and repulsive man.

You are a cartoon of what >>17890470 says, literally defending a Calvinist French family that sold Spain to foreign powers to usurp the throne.

>>17890505
You don't even know the difference between Ferdinand VI and VII and you're going to lecture me, go away moron.

>>17890507
Bad read, it still the same case. Ferdinand VI was a French put in the throne of Spain by Louis XIV, a frog who violated Charles II testament of not dividing Spanish territories since he gave away Flanders, Gibraltar, Menorca, Sicily, Milan, Sardinia and Naples.
Not to say he started and lose a war for the keks.

Once again, you are a cartoon of the average defender of a French Calvinist family.

>>17890509
Ferdinand VI precisely wasn't involved in any war, your knowledge of the period is incredibly limited
>French Calvinist
Troonry IV was a calvinist but Louis XIV is famous among other thing for violently persecuting Calvinists which led to their mass exodus across Europe (the Huguenots)
Your knowledge and understanding of 18th and 19th century european history and politics is frankly way too limited for this conversation to be interesting, get away from my thread.

>>17890516
>Ferdinand VI precisely wasn't involved in any war, your knowledge of the period is incredibly limited

The fuck gave away most of the Amazonia to Portuguese. Literally in the line with his father and his succesors. Also dragged Spain to French wars in Austria and Poland, and the 7 Years war, from which Spain gained nothing, but the family of Bourbon.

Louis XIV won the 30 Years War for Protestants. And his family was Calvinist and just became Catholics when they were told that in this way they could rule France.

Once again, you are cartoonishly stupid defending a Calvinist French family.

>>17890520
>Also dragged Spain to French wars in Austria and Poland, and the 7 Years war
The former was his predecessor and the latter was his successor
Gosh you're so retarded just stop yapping already
>you are cartoonishly stupid defending
I'm not even defending the bourbons, you're just cartoonishly thinking that one family is responsible for Spain shortcoming from the late 18th to the late 20th

>>17890450
this IS /his/