Reading about African history and culture i think it's obvious that despite what /pol/ would want you to believe, they were absolutely not stagnant, and there were significant changes both production, social organization, infrastructure, and architecture over various regions' history. What i find most interesting are the so called forest kingdoms (coastal west africa) from Nigeria (Benin, Yorubas etc.) to Ghana (Ashanti). These states had just started to build road networks (this one shocked me, but yeah Ashanti had road networks), and began building more complicated architecture, alongside being the first examples of organized states in their areas, and began writing in symbols reminiscent of Mesopotamian symbols that presceded cuneiform.
As far as i can see, they were isolated from the world and developing on their own (similar to precolumbian american civilizations), and when the Europeans found them they basically just tried to force a bunch of what would be the equivalent of Mesopotamians or Europeans ~6,000 years ago to adopt to modern times.

>>17891923 (OP)
Map of Ashanti roads on top of a picture of those roads

>>17891923 (OP)
What does ancient/medieval people even mean exactly? You do know when modern tech became commonplace it's effect eas massive across all societies in rural amounts. More so in more developed states where rural citizens were being g brought into the fold and education spread out more.

Most of west africa went into its dark ages in the 16th century with the songhai collapse reducing the area to petty kingdoms fighting and selling each other into slavery until they were colonized by euros

So yeah you kinda right

>>17891946
There's a hilarious story about the Ashanti. This happened recently too. There's a big British fort in their capital just outside of the king's palace. Anyway, they occupied it for a very long time, and when the time came for them to leave they packed up and left quickly. You'll still find a lot of the old artillery and vehicles there, they didn't think it was worth bringing back. But they also left a whole vault's worth of gold in the fort too. And this back in, what, the 1950s? Anyway, fast forward to the early 2000s and some European historian was visiting and decided to check out the fort. He stops by a door with a sign that says "DANGER" on it and goes "Oy, what's this for?" To which the tour guides respond that they don't know because no one wanted to mess with it. So he opens it up, and what does he find? A whole room full of gold. Anyway, they ended up returning the gold to the king. For fifty years, FIFTY years they had this entire vault full of gold a stone's throw away from their royal palace just sitting there and no one, not all the soldiers, not the military regimes strapped for cash, decided to check it out. All because they thought there was something really dangerous inside. In fact, once they had found out that the gold was there, they immediately thought that the British left it behind because they had the intention of returning at some point. This is the kind of people you're dealing with.

>>17892027
Here's a picture of it I found online along with the description.
>English: A storage room that Golds were hidden from the Asantes.
HIDDEN! IN THEIR OWN FORT!

>>17892027
>>17892031
couldn't find anything but this sounds funny. Do you have a source for it?

>>17892051
Some lad I met a while back who visited Ghana.

Pretty much. the people living in the Sahelian acacia savanna a thousand years ago are the same people living there today

>>17892027
>This is the kind of people you're dealing with.
People who respect signs?

>>17892350
>Have potentially dangerous munitions or materials stored in vault less than 100 metres away from royal palace
>Don't even try to inspect it or get in contact with British HQ to confirm what's inside
>Need a white man to open it up out of curiosity

>>17892027
They sound like they are better people than basketball Americans

>>17892359
>Need a white man to open it up out of curiosity
Opening up unknown doors has backfired in the past.

>>17892369
Did you need to bring that up?

>>17891923 (OP)
>Average West African occupation a few centuries ago: Textiles, farmer, mine worker
>Average West African occupation a few centuries ago: Textile, farmer, mine worker

There's different regions. The closer you get to the desert the more berber you get and there's also influx from southern Egypt. The southern Egypt migration to northern Nigeria and Chad is what gave blacks crops like millet.

Their society revolved around slavery where whoever the king was was the guy with the most slave soldiers. He gained he'd wealth by charging blacks an exorbitant amount of gold dust, which was often financially ruining, in order to buy nobility. Then since you were a noble you were expected to heap financially ruining gifts onto the king. The entire system was set up to suck all the wealth out of the lower class by suckering them into a nobility scam. Meanwhile the real nobles owned the slaves that farmed all the food and mined all the gold. Gold was so invaluable to them since it was all they mined that they would trade for salt in its weight in gold. There's no evidence of advanced cultural development or art until post contact with european slavers who delivered to them their first taste of bronze and lead and steel.

>>17892384
>The southern Egypt migration to northern Nigeria and Chad is what gave blacks crops like millet.
The millet in Egypt is different from the West African ones. Millet had multiple separate domesrication events.

>>17892387
Nah. The only thing blacks can really take credit for is maybe yams

>>17892384
>There's no evidence of advanced cultural development or art until post contact with european slavers who delivered to them their first taste of bronze and lead and steel.
Why make this stuff up?

>>17892391
So you knew jackshit yet still decided to post total slop with that much confidence/delusion?

>>17892393
Because I've actually researched it. When Europeans arrived in West Africa the pinnacle of artistic expression was hammering out gold into sheets and wrapping logs and elephant tusks with it. And this was after decades of contact

>>17892398
>When Europeans arrived in West Africa
Which part? That such a massive area

>>17892401
One of the various forgettable European colonial states in West Africa, they're all about the same. The ones on the west coast to the north are different, from northern and eastern admixture.

>>17892405
So you literally can't even point it? Fuck off retard.

>>17892407
If I remember correctly i specifically picked the most advanced and earliest kingdoms. There's nothing impressive at all about colonial accounts of West Africa. It was only 2-300 years after European contact that they developed modern art

>>17892410
>i specifically picked the most advanced and earliest kingdoms.
>There's nothing impressive at all about colonial accounts of West Africa.
Specify it. The ones is on you to back up your statements. You can't handwave away shit by doing some "trust me I know" tech bro BS

>>17892412
Do you have any reason to doubt that the pinnacle of artistic expression for West Africa was hammering gold to cover items and the interiors of their houses? What else would they be using when they had neither mastered copper nor iron?

The only evidence of even copper being mined and used was in the north with the barbers

>>17892417
>Do you have any reason to doubt that the pinnacle of artistic expression for West Africa was hammering gold to cover items and the interiors of their houses
Still doing that "dude just trust me" shit. That shit doesn't get a pass anywhere.

>What else would they be using when they had neither mastered copper nor iron?
They had those. Lmao do you not even know that.

>>17892417
They were using stone

>>17892424
they were mostly melting down the currency they were paid with by europeans which came in copper alloys of varying quality. This was the only source of metal in the region besides gold

>>17891923 (OP)
That was literally most of the non european controlled world.

>>17891923 (OP)
They were millenia behind the rest of the world and things were never ending well as soon as someone wanted something from them.

>>17892027
Sheeit

>>17892398
>When Europeans arrived in West Africa the pinnacle of artistic expression was hammering out gold into sheets and wrapping logs and elephant tusks with it. And this was after decades of contact
These statues are from the 13th century before any contact with Europeans

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>>17892054
I think people are missing the point that this guy literally admitted to making this shit up and when asked to provide a source he basically pulled a "oh a guy i know knows guy who..."

>>17892426
>>17892434
Trying to claim West Africans didn't have metalworking isn't even funny /his/ shenanigans anymore. You're just straight up illiterate and fucking retarded.

>>17893004
>Because i've actually researched it
>doesn't even know about the most famous pieces of west african art in history
why do midwits on /his/ always feel like posturing and acting smart? what causes this? it's okay to not know about stuff, i'm not gonna act like i am an expert in nanoparticles or quantum physics because i know very little about either, but why do you guys feel the need to share your shit opinions on things that you are very clearly and obviously not well versed at all in, and then act like you are some sort of genius at the same time. Sometimes you just haven't researched stuff or studied it and that's okay, stop humiliating yourselves.

>>17893004
These are from the 18th century at the earliest

>>17893005
someone sounds mad

>>17893139
They are actually from like 14th century and we even have a royal mask of the person who likely commissioned it, Obalufon II who ruled in the 13th-14th century. We also have radio carbon dating technology that very clearly demonstrates that these were made between 1100-1400 (likely 1300-1400). When the discoveries were made Europeans even though they were from a lost Greek tribe in 13th century BC but this was discarded because there were no stylistic parallels outside of naturalism and later discoveries and technology confirmed these were native and created much later during the medieval era.
There is deadass not a single theory or even fringe hypothesis that suggests that these heads were from the 18th century. Again, why do midwits here decide to share their bullshit opinions without any genuine knowledge? Is it just dunning-kruger?

>>17893156
All Nigerian radio carbon dating is a lie that they lie about to hide their national embarrassment of being stone age yam farmers until the 15th century . Those busts were found in the like 19th century under some floor boards

>>17893151
He was so mad he wrote massive paragraphs about a totally made up story about hidden gold that never actually happened and to this very moment refused to give any proof outside "yeah brah i know someone who told me brah".

>>17893161
the guy posted a picture. i think you're just brown and mad

>>17893160
>*cope cope cope cope*
The funniest is that you are wrong again, not even about the baseless claim that everything is a lie, but they weren't even found in the 19th century, but instead like a year before world war II broke out. Every word you say, including the smallest of details, is bullshit after bullshit, it's like watching someone with down syndrome hitting their head into a wall over and over again.

>>17893167
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt saying they were found in the 19th century, but they were only found in the 20th century

most of nigerian archeology is a lie

>>17893169
>I was giving you the benefit of the doubt
nah bruh, cope, you're just a midwit who can't even read a wikipedia article and skim the most basic information before deciding to spam and act like you're some sort of top tier researcher in the field of nigerian archeology and carbon dating

>>17893183
It was one of the first real interests in history I ever had. Disproving Nigerian nationalist claims of technological prowess while they were still swinging stone around. All the actual archeology is done in the north with the berbers where they find beads, seeds and copper implements.

Nigerian archaeology is essentially driving out into a communal trash dump, unearthing a totaled volvo, and then claiming it's 500 years old

>>17893189
NTA but I remember seeing a documentary about the pyramids they built around Lake Chad.

>>17893212
Chad was an ancient trade route through the Sahel from egypt abut relatively little of the culture or technology trickled down into the black african kingdoms

>>17893216
>The Kanem–Bornu Empire's active contact with North Africa resulted not only in trade and diplomacy, but also garnered the empire some cosmopolitan influence and contacts.[81] The empire had considerable influence in its overall region, with both Nguzargamu[36] and the later Kukawa having been important centers in the Sudan region.[50] At the height of the Sayfawa dynasty's rule, the safety provided by the state and the firm grasp it had on the trade routes led to a common saying that even "a lone woman clad in gold might walk with none to fear but God".[81] Although imperial power gradually declined over the course of its last centuries, the empire continued to hold symbolic importance among its neighbors. In 1800, virtually all of Hausaland was still nominally tributaries of the empire and sent annual gifts to the mai.
>The agriculture of the empire was probably similar to the agriculture of the region today. Crops were planted at the beginning of the rainy season (June–October). The main crops were varities of guinea corn and millet.

>>17893259
According to one study, just one (R1b) Y-DNA haplogroup brougt by Baggara Arabs makes up 50% of the Kanembu.[6]

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>>17893265

>>17891994
Same thing with the Mughal collapse in the 1730s after the Battle of Karnal, Plassey was over and done with within 20 years

>>17892027
Kek

>>17893160
This is just sad cope now
If you want to hate black people sure whatever, but trying to pretend history proves black people were "inferior" or "stupid" as whole ethnic groups is ridiculous and stupid. If you want to do that, at least go on /pol/

>>17893298
>disprove wild baseless leftist claims about society/history
>just say you're a salivating troglodyte that eats babies because this is too much for me to handle
maybe you should get off the internet nancy boy

>>17893303
>disprove
With what evidence? All you've been doing is sticking your fingers in your ears and crying because the historical records contradicts you

>>17893261
>(R1b) Y-DNA haplogroup brougt by Baggara Arabs makes up 50% of the Kanembu
This is actual cope R1b in Africans don't come from Berbers unless your talking about Siwa and they aren't even Amazigh genetically

>>17893298
Well, history *does prove them as such.*

Though there are some notable exceptions to the rule. At least in the last Century or so, the Igbos of Nigeria mog all the other blacks on standardized testing at any institution.

Usually, standardized testing places your average black somewhere between chimp and gorilla, but those Nigerians usually wind up getting all As in Western engineering courses.... you really can't knock em.

And strangely enough, the igbos I've met, don't typically have the ultra-athletic build of most other Africans. They're a small to average sized, slim non-muscular people.

So there is more intellectual/physical variation to blacks than most realize.

>>17893316
What's your obsession with digitally penetrating orifices? Enough.

>>17893316
A FABRICATED HISTORICAL RECORD BY A BUNCH OF RETARDS IS WORTH LESS THAN THE PAPER USED TO WIPE MY BACKSIDE
caps

>>17893303
>>17893335
Legit mental illness here folks. This is why everybody shed have list of mental health and suicide prevention hotlines for multiple countries.

>>17893390
The way they fake radio carbon dating is they find a modern artifact on top of a 1000 year old refuse pile then dig to the bottom of the refuse pile to find 1000 year old charcoal and then carbon date it. The carbon dating says 1000 years so they say the rusty fishing pole they found on the surface is 1000 years old

>>17893404
Are you that crazy German guy on /int/ or something flavour or one of the 55 flavours brown white supremacists on 4chan? Could be both at this point

>>17893413
West African history is so embarrassing which is why they're trying to lie about it

>>17893426
Not even trying to dodge it and you've been schizing about for hours.

>>17893430
why would I care what stupid people think about me?

>>17893319
Siwa are R ?

>>17894023
>>17893261
Tought they where E like berbers and egyptians

>>17894023
>The Siwa oasis population, known for its distinct Berber identity, exhibits a unique genetic makeup with notable haplogroup frequencies. Specifically, they show a high frequency of haplogroup R-V88 (a Y-chromosome haplogroup). Additionally, they display significant frequencies of other sub-Saharan haplogroups like B-M109 and E-V6. On the maternal side (mtDNA), they have a high frequency of haplogroup U5, including subclades like U5a2a, U5b, and U5b1b, according to Wikipedia. They also show a presence of haplogroup U6,
>Haplogroup U5 is an ancient European mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup that's estimated to be 25,000–35,000 years old. It's thought to have originated in the western steppe region and entered Europe 30–55 thousand years ago. U5 was the dominant mtDNA of Mesolithic Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG).

>>17893169
>>17893160
Its funny because the archeology was done by whites

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>>17894721
Right it seems third world disingenuous archaeology tries to use whites to substantiate their findings. Nigerians are a bit dumber and will claim even new findings are substantiated by old white claims like that's how new archaeological sites and findings work

>>17893160
They were made in the 14th century, and they were apparently so important and impressive to the whites that they tried to we wuz them. Go get replaced and your wife fucked in front of u by Abdul, neanderthal cucked monkey
>>17892027
Literal bullshit, you made this story up and there's no proof of i

>>17894753
ivory claws banged out this post on a talking drum

>>17891923 (OP)
6000 years ago is neither ancient nor medieval, it is literal prehistoric times

>>17894780
Cool, at least I'm not a weak neanderthal getting replaced in his homeland as he hides his real views on 4chin while being too afraid to look at his new masters in the eye kek. Even in the worst case scenario where I'm typing from a mudhut using a drum, eating chicken or whatever, I'm not a whitoid cuck who has to worry about other races predating on him as he becomes a dwindling minority in his own land

>>17894811
I'd genuinely respond, but I don't want to make you use up all your village's electricity before the next rolling blackout.

>>17894753
I can guarantee you whatever you heard on black facebook didn't happen

>>17894850
Shut the fuck up faggot, stick a dildo up your ass

>>17894912
whoa, brother, calm down. have some chicken. mmmmmm, chicken.

>>17894912
What is up with your obsession with other men's cocks and assholes?

What does african architecture look like?

>>17894923
>>17894921
>>17894745
>>17894729
Still going pedro

>>17895000
The internet for the next 40 yeara is juts brown guys cuddling out and watching onto Nick Fuentes expies. Each one gayer than the last

>>17891923 (OP)

THINK MOSTLY LOW-IQ STONE AGE SOCIETIES BASED ON TRIBAL SLAVERY/SOCIALISM AND MUCH BECOMES CLEAR.

>>17893298
They were inferior and they were stupid.

>>17896862
Why are you calling them inferior and stupid?

>>17896274
Saying BS in caps doesn't make you correct schizo

>>17892027

>>17894979
pic rel is some igbo architecture

>>17896888
if this was in europe they would call it trad

>>17896891
It is (or was idk) in europe.

>>17893316
>appeal to authority
Low iq moment.

>>17893390
>Legit heresy here
Mental illness and schizo are literally nuspeaks for heresy in your retarded religion.
>folks
Faggot.

>>17896975
>Low IQ moment
>IQ is a construct created by Western elites
>Specifically designed to see who would be the most hard-working obedient workers
But I'm appealing to authority. Okay, lol.

>>17896987
>reddity passive agressive tone
The lackeys of said western elites wrote that historical record, retard.

>>17896992
>>17896985
>>17896975
Still having a crash out?

>>17896992
Wrong.