I see Jesus and the Father being very harsh.
The fact that some people will not be saved makes me sad, and it seems they are a lot. What kind of God lets its creation perish? I thought God's love and power was greater than humanity's sin. But reading the gospel of Matthew seems otherwise.

I feel more saved when I don't read the bible than when I read the gospels. Its impossible to follow everything. Reading the bible makes me feel sad, despair and more hopeless for humanity and me. Its supposed to be the opposite isn't it?

Either God doesn't love all of its creation or he isn't able to save everyone. I can't believe in a God that weak. I'm tired of everything being in limited ignorant humans hands instead of in God's all knowing all powerful will. I thought I was saved but it seems otherwise, nothing is set up until the day I did.

I can't believe in this. You don't let your loved ones to chance, you don't get the options for failure if you love someone. A father does everything for his kid, why can't an all powerful God do the same. I suppose I'm gnashing my teeth.

It's all obviously madeup fairy tales, so no need to sweat it.

I think that's normal. It's a depressing book.

>perfect love casts out all fear
>the whole creation was made subject to frustration, not of its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God
on the one hand you have a tenderly loving, intimately personal God who extends a hand of grace to you by his son. this is a living and active relationship >You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You, Because he trusts in You.
on the other hand he values you enough and wants you to partake in his GLORY (this is not a small thing. it's the promise of being made godly, that is, like a god)
>For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.

>To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
>But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
>Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

>>17912919
Every single time I ask something like this, you respond with babbling instead of genuinely trying to explain stuff.

>>17912747 (OP)
First, even if you have doubt about God, don't sin against him with your words. Second, the answers you seek are found in the book of 2 Esdras:

>I answered and said, "O sovereign Lord, I said then and I say now: Blessed are those who are alive and keep thy commandments!

[46] But what of those for whom I prayed? For who among the living is there that has not sinned, or who among men that has not transgressed thy covenant?
[47] And now I see that the world to come will bring delight to few, but torments to many.
[48] For an evil heart has grown up in us, which has alienated us from God, and has brought us into corruption and the ways of death, and has shown us the paths of perdition and removed us far from life -- and that not just a few of us but almost all who have been created!"
[49] He answered me and said, "Listen to me, Ezra, and I will instruct you, and will admonish you yet again.

[50] For this reason the Most High has made not one world but two.
[51] For whereas you have said that the righteous are not many but few, while the ungodly abound, hear the explanation for this.
[52] "If you have just a few precious stones, will you add to them lead and clay?"

[53] I said, "Lord, how could that be?"

[54] And he said to me, "Not only that, but ask the earth and she will tell you; defer to her, and she will declare it to you.

[55] Say to her, `You produce gold and silver and brass, and also iron and lead and clay;
[56] but silver is more abundant than gold, and brass than silver, and iron than brass, and lead than iron, and clay than lead.'
[57] Judge therefore which things are precious and desirable, those that are abundant or those that are rare?"
[58] I said, "O sovereign Lord, what is plentiful is of less worth, for what is more rare is more precious."

>>17914244
[59] He answered me and said, "Weigh within yourself what you have thought, for he who has what is hard to get rejoices more than he who has what is plentiful.

[60] So also will be the judgment which I have promised; for I will rejoice over the few who shall be saved, because it is they who have made my glory to prevail now, and through them my name has now been honored.
[61] And I will not grieve over the multitude of those who perish; for it is they who are now like a mist, and are similar to a flame and smoke -- they are set on fire and burn hotly, and are extinguished."
[62] I replied and said, "O earth, what have you brought forth, if the mind is made out of the dust like the other created things!

[63] For it would have been better if the dust itself had not been born, so that the mind might not have been made from it.
[64] But now the mind grows with us, and therefore we are tormented, because we perish and know it.
[65] Let the human race lament, but let the beasts of the field be glad; let all who have been born lament, but let the four-footed beasts and the flocks rejoice!
[66] For it is much better with them than with us; for they do not look for a judgment, nor do they know of any torment or salvation promised to them after death.
[67] For what does it profit us that we shall be preserved alive but cruelly tormented?
[68] For all who have been born are involved in iniquities, and are full of sins and burdened with transgressions.
[69] And if we were not to come into judgment after death, perhaps it would have been better for us."
[70] He answered me and said, "When the Most High made the world and Adam and all who have come from him, he first prepared the judgment and the things that pertain to the judgment.

>>17914249
[71] And now understand from your own words, for you have said that the mind grows with us.
[72] For this reason, therefore, those who dwell on earth shall be tormented, because though they had understanding they committed iniquity, and though they received the commandments they did not keep them, and though they obtained the law they dealt unfaithfully with what they received.
[73] What, then, will they have to say in the judgment, or how will they answer in the last times?
[74] For how long the time is that the Most High has been patient with those who inhabit the world, and not for their sake, but because of the times which he has foreordained!"

>>17912747 (OP)
>What kind of God lets its creation perish?
Although the people that are of God are despised by the world which ever seeks their destruction, the merciful God gave thema mighty gift for their salvation. That gift, the name of God and their identity as His earthly abode.

He answered me and said, "Some things you have spoken rightly, and it will come to pass according to your words.
[38] For indeed I will not concern myself about the fashioning of those who have sinned, or about their death, their judgment, or their destruction;
[39] but I will rejoice over the creation of the righteous, over their pilgrimage also, and their salvation, and their receiving their reward.
[40] As I have spoken, therefore, so it shall be.
[41] "For just as the farmer sows many seeds upon the ground and plants a multitude of seedlings, and yet not all that have been sown will come up in due season, and not all that were planted will take root; so also those who have been sown in the world will not all be saved."
[42] I answered and said, "If I have found favor before thee, let me speak.
[43] For if the farmer's seed does not come up, because it has not received thy rain in due season, or if it has been ruined by too much rain, it perishes.
[44] But man, who has been formed by thy hands and is called thy own image because he is made like thee, and for whose sake thou hast formed all things -- hast thou also made him like the farmer's seed?
[45] No, O Lord who art over us! But spare thy people and have mercy on thy inheritance, for thou hast mercy on thy own creation."
[46] He answered me and said, "Things that are present are for those who live now, and things that are future are for those who will live hereafter.
[47] For you come far short of being able to love my creation more than I love it. But you have often compared yourself to the unrighteous. Never do so!

>>17914289
[48] But even in this respect you will be praiseworthy before the Most High,
[49] because you have humbled yourself, as is becoming for you, and have not deemed yourself to be among the righteous in order to receive the greatest glory.
[50] For many miseries will affect those who inhabit the world in the last times, because they have walked in great pride.
[51] But think of your own case, and inquire concerning the glory of those who are like yourself,
[52] because it is for you that paradise is opened, the tree of life is planted, the age to come is prepared, plenty is provided, a city is built, rest is appointed, goodness is established and wisdom perfected beforehand.
[53] The root of evil is sealed up from you, illness is banished from you, and death is hidden; hell has fled and corruption has been forgotten;
[54] sorrows have passed away, and in the end the treasure of immortality is made manifest.
[55] Therefore do not ask any more questions about the multitude of those who perish.
[56] For they also received freedom , but they despised the Most High, and were contemptuous of his law, and forsook his ways.
[57] Moreover they have even trampled upon his righteous ones,
[58] and said in their hearts that there is not God -- though knowing full well that they must die.
[59] For just as the things which I have predicted await you, so the thirst and torment which are prepared await them. For the Most High did not intend that men should be destroyed;
[60] but they themselves who were created have defiled the name of him who made them, and have been ungrateful to him who prepared life for them.
[61] Therefore my judgment is now drawing near;
[62] I have not shown this to all men, but only to you and a few like you."

>>17914291this is horrible, what kind of God does this?

>>17914410
Because God only gave his name to those people that are ofGod, so that they might be saved from destruction. Do not feel remorse over the death of demons and abominations which have no desires except the destruction of all that God loves.

>>17914440
So you are of God? Then what is his name?

>>17914465
The Son said, do all in His name. What a gift, that, his name. Given to them for their salvation.

The old jew hunt for his name, was answered by the Son.

>>17914410
Do you love those who hate you as much as those who love you?

>>17914489
So what is the name of God?

>>17914490
No. But I'm a limited being, I have no control. I was sitting myself and crying when I came to this world, and within my capacity I try to do some good. Perfect God, being all powerful, created me just to perish. This is just a masturbatory game for him. But I don't want to think that God isn't good so these verses must be wrong or there is something it's scaping me.

>>17914495
The riddle had an unexpected answer. His name gives salvation.

>>17914524
>Perfect God, being all powerful, created me just to perish.
Why do you think that? Do you do evil? You want God to love those who do evil the same way he loves those who put so much effort into resisting temptations and fleeing from evil and try s so hard to be righteous and suffered so much for it and loved him even in misery and blessed him s name when evil things happened to them? Shall the wicked receive the same reward as them?

>>17912747 (OP)
>I thought God's love and power was greater than humanity's sin. But reading the gospel of Matthew seems otherwise.
Where? The Gospel shows how God's love opened a door to literal eternal life. That is some power. All that is asked from you is faith.

>The fact that some people will not be saved makes me sad, and it seems they are a lot
Nobody knows. The part about wide and narrow gate is about difficulty, not a statistic.

>I feel more saved when I don't read the bible than when I read the gospels.
>feel saved
What that means?

>A father does everything for his kid, why can't an all powerful God do the same.
What are you missing for your salvation?

>>17912747 (OP)
try reading the koran holy kek what a pile of shit

>>17914244
>>17914249
>>17914255
>>17914289
>>17914291
It's extremely rare for someone to actually be good enough to be saved. Even someone trying as hard as they can is unlikely to ever get close to being good enough

>>17914726
The righteous are rare, that's why they're so precious to God.

>>17914801
then existing isn't really for out benefit since God makes people either good or not good enough. At least you admit it unlike most

>>17914812
The age to come was created for the benefit of the righteous. In it they will have mind-blowing joys and pleasures. God will delight in making them happy.

> He answered me and said, "The Most High made this world for the sake of many, but the world to come for the sake of few. But I tell you a parable, Ezra. Just as, when you ask the earth, it will tell you that it provides very much clay from which earthenware is made, but only a little dust from which gold comes; so is the course of the present world. Many have been created, but few shall be saved."

>>17914897
yea, the 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of all humans to exist

>>17914897
You're most likely no going to be good enough either.

>>17914917
If it was just one man it would of still be worth it.

>>17914936
That's my problem.

>>17914255
>What, then, will they have to say in the judgment, or how will they answer in the last times?
Lord, you are merciful and forgiving. Please do not let me feel the dread of you.

>>17914962
It was just one man, Jesus Christ the righteous.

>>17915007
Imitate him and you too will be righteous That was his whole point.

>>17914962
>If it was just one man it would of still be worth it.
you won't be saying that if you get sent to hell
>Imitate him and you too will be righteous That was his whole point.
You have to be completely perfect, which is what makes it nearly impossible

>>17915299
>you won't be saying that if you get sent to hell
My opinion doesn't matter. This is not my creation.

>You have to be completely perfect, which is what makes it nearly impossible
Jesus said "be perfect", so it must be possible.

>>17915351
don't complain when you get sent to hell for not being perfect despite trying everything you could into trying to do so

>>17912747 (OP)
Welcome to (real) Satanism.

>>17915363
God judges the effort. He gives the holy Spirit to help those who put effort.

>>17912747 (OP)
Anon, what if I told you that the things that you're liable to read in the BIble ain't necessarily so?

>>17915403
that's more Protestantism

>>17912747 (OP)
You should kill yourself. :)

>>17912747 (OP)
>What kind of God lets its creation perish?
One that was thought up to validate people's feelings. Take hatred for example: the belief that malice targeted at someone is justified. Christians and Muslims both believe that people they don't like will suffer infinitely forever, and that this is justified. It's literally just human hatred codified into paper.

>>17915403
If you make one mistake you're back to square one and have to live 80+ years completely mistake free

>>17915403
>effort-based salvation rather than "accept Jesus into your heart and go on living normally because you know all your efforts are worthless rags in God's eyes and salvation depends only on his grace" -based salvation.
Those ticks just got tocker. Bing bong.

>>17915560
Keep thinking you can disregard God's instructions and still gain his favor. Jesus told you to separate yourself from the world not to live a normal worldly life. What is the difference between you and an unbeliever if you both do the same things?

>>17915500
God has mercy with his servants.

>>17915660
you have to be perfect for your whole life just be considered a servant

>>17915764
You have to be loyal to God and love rigtheousness to be his servant.

>>17915805
you also have to be literally perfect

>>17912747 (OP)
>muh universalism
People who want to go to hell should be free to do so. A God who has to force you into relationship cannot be perfectly loving. You err because you do not know what a perfectly loving relationship consists of; a relationship of force and nothing more is abuse, crazy fan trapping their favorite writer in their basement type of insanity. God loves you so he respects your will in regards to whether or not you want anything to do with God. In any case, an all powerful being has no inherent need for subjects without will. A being so powerful that He can create existence itself has no need for slaves because desire for power and slaves is a desire held by powerless people who cannot do everything on their own. God can already do everything, what can you offer by having no will? Nothing. The only thing God is interested in are relationships because they aren’t a need, but a want. God doesn’t “need” humans for any function, but He loves you and will start a relationship with you if you’re interested. God is really cool in that way.

>>17915912
>God loves you so he respects your will in regards to whether or not you want anything to do with God.
He made Adam and Eve after the fall reproduce so that billions if not trillions of people afterwards are inflicted with being enemies of God by default

stop taking jewish garbage seriously

the jewish cult is nothing more than narcissistic abuse and an inversion of reality

there's a reason why oppressive empires keep adopting christianity as their states sytem of control. it makes you into a retarded victim

>>17915912
>muh free will

you don't even choose to be born lmao. also unbiblical heresy

>>17915893
No you don't. God is merciful to those who try. He gifts them the holy spirit and it makes them perfectly rigtheous.

>>17916029
>God is merciful to those who try
More heresies

>It is not your work you are saved
>No man can come to jesus unless the father draws him

Salvation is not your choice/effort the bible made it clear. Jewgod has to feel like choosing you before you get saved. Yet blames you for getting damned lmao. Also the default state of humanity is hell lmao

Deranged

its mudpeople stories, go read something wholesome and that actually makes sense irl and seamlessly applies to reality like the greeks did. once you know the greek myths, and i dont mean the normie approved 12 olympian myths, but the ones you dont know about, youll see that the bible was just a series of jewish knockoffs of those stories, often mocking them and the gods.

just a few examples:
- orpheus rescuing eurydace from hades, hes told so long as he doesnt look back at her til she enters the Light he may save her, but the second he steps into the Light he instinctively turns around, and she dematerializes into dust
this story was corrupted by jews and became about Lot's misogyny and incest, and him having filthy jewish cave inbred incestuous cave sex and impregnating both of his daughters, all while misleading people about jews championing against sodomy.
- jonah's whale story is just a knockoff of perseus being swallowed by the ketos (lat. cetus), only he disemboweled it. instead of killing the beast and saving the princess, jonah uses it as a taxi and cries the whole way, then castigates goyim for not worshipping his specific unhinged baby genital mutilating obsessed jewish conception of god. The term cetacean (meaning 'whale') originates from cetus. the story even takes place in the very SAME TOWN where perseus saves the princess. its the same whale lmao. knockoff occurs c. 400 bce
- pandora was the first human created by zeus. again, because jews hate women and are gay, pandora is relegated to eve being second to man, instead of opening pandoras box, she eats an apple and curses everyone with a nonsensical concept of original sin, for which you need to be saved. (create a problem in order to offer solution, textbook jews) - no White baby is born in 'sin'.
- pyrra and deucalion surviving the flood and creating the hellenes race. noah's ark and adam are both corruptions of this story too. as they too had people made out of dirt, which were unlike themselves.

>>17916029
>He gifts them the holy spirit and it makes them perfectly rigtheous.
that's what prots believe

>>17915363
>>17915403
in the exact same line of scripture it says to be good to both evil and good alike. it's in that sense that you're supposed to be perfect, like God who sends rain and sun on the just and the wicked both

>>17915351
>an imperfect god breeding with an imperfect creation of an imperfect god creates the perfect god man, who is jewish
jews really dropped the ball here. they might have actually explained the purpose for our even being here, the concepts are right there, just they jumbled them all up in order to make it about jews.

btw that "be perfect" line, is a reference to abraham. when yahweh, the jewish charicature for which they mock their creators, says to abraham "appear before me perfect" or something along those lines, and then proceeds to tell abraham to mutilate his own genitals

the bible is just a giant middle finger to the gods

>>17916040
>Little children, let no one deceive you, he who does what is righteous is righteous even as He is righteous
your prot strawman could as easily swing the other way to baptists or evangelicals or whoever(don't know much about denominations, but it seems an americanism) who tout everyone as a worthless sinner, even the regenerate

>>17916049
realizing that the pagan gods demanded far worse of their devotees, and considering the apologist tone you take for paganism, do you not reckon there is a something contradiction to your post?
on the one hand you hold Yah to a higher standard than lesser deity, but you respect them more than you do Him when he outplays them at their own game. you (or pagan types like you, if you want to play evasive), would call odin, or aztec human sacrifice brvtal or hardcore or whatever, but decry it like a liberal when it comes to Jehovah. it's laughable. Elijah laughed when he put the prophets of Baal down like dogs, precisely because our Lord is better than those 'gods', more powerful, and not a giant coot (though, in fairness it does often appear to us to be that way in this very troubled world and time)

>>17916082
>jewgod allowed paganism to be the norm for millenia
>didn't care all those people were going to hell just for being born in the wrong place because no one knew who he was

lol great logic

>>17916055
being righteous is specifically being defined as being a perfect catholic

>>17916198
Yeah I went to church with my grandfather once and I couldn't go anymore for some reason even though I really wanted to same thing happened when I tried to call my friend but my mom called so he had to cancel it was so strange that had happened, the free will part.

>>17916082
i dont consider semitic gods pagan, but proto-jewish and abrahamic adjacent. they lost the plot the minute enki ate his own jizz

semites are gonna semite
theyre going through the routines of what it might be like to worship a god, but its engineered in a way to most benefit themselves to the detriment of others

>>17915912
>Wants a relationship with me
>Doesn't interact with me whatsoever

>>17916035
Do you think the father chooses at random? No, he chooses those he sees love goodness and are putting effort into being righteous and resisting temptations. Those who's heart are good and full of love, to those he reveals his salvation.

>>17917269
unironically he does choose randomly, even people who try and be perfect end up getting fucked over. Jobs family died and ended up in hell and got replaced

Is it better to stand and die for a righteous cause in the face of a seemingly all powerful enemy because they bully and beat down any who disagree? If heaven was all pain, and hell was all pleasure, how many would still be devout in their cause for good? I am curious to hear your answers.

>>17912747 (OP)
I root for the Philistines
>God keeps sending people to destroy them
>They keep recovering and shitting on Israel the moment God stops ensuring their victory

>>17912747 (OP)
1/ read the daodejing
2/ compare all available translations
3/ ????
4/ profit!

>>17914524
just ignore this nonsense and be a good man
that's all

>>17918021
>be a good man
how?

>>17917514
Job is the only example you can give yet he lived 100 years of joy after his calamity.

>>17918235
I wasn't talking about job directly, Job lost his first family. his first family lost their lives and got replaced and are in hell now.

>>17918326
Jobs family will all go to paradise. You don't worry about them, they don't need your pity. They're better off than you.

>>17915403
god really doesn't care if you're righteous or not. stop preaching a works based salvation. he's looking for something else

>>17918515
>he's looking for something else

we are in a soul trap and these entities the hylics serve eat the energy from human suffering

>>17918515
>god really doesn't care if you're righteous or not
You must really not know God to say such foolish thing.


1 John 3:6-8
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.

2 Peter 2:20-22
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

1 Peter 3:10-13
For,

“Whoever would love life
and see good days
must keep their tongue from evil
and their lips from deceitful speech.
They must turn from evil and do good;
they must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous
and his ears are attentive to their prayer,
but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”

Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good?

>>17918523
gnosticism is a meme
>>17912747 (OP)
christianity is an extremely terrifying and depressing religion, because it's true. don't worry getting saved is pretty easy. just repent, believe in jesus and follow the 10 commandments and you're good. here's the thing though: repentance means something very specific. it's hidden in the gospels. read them and actually think about what jesus is saying

>>17918534
jewish babble

>>17918542
Nobody is talking to you.

>>17918541
gnosticism is observably true.

christianity is a fucking deranged psyop that can't even get its doctrine straight lol

>>17918375
harrowing of hell is a cope and isn't dogma, there isn't any reason to believe any pre-Jesus human is in heaven other than Abraham and few others.

>>17918544
the canonical gospels are already gnostic. the "gnostic gospels" are a distraction