Thread 7591082 - /ic/ [Archived: 914 hours ago]

Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:54:53 PM No.7591082
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Holy fuck, do you really need to know all of this just to draw some hips?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 6:56:21 PM No.7591086
>>7591082 (OP)
No
/thread
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:03:14 PM No.7591100
Less is more. You don't need to remember all this.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:08:05 PM No.7591108
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Depends on the model and the level of detail you want to achieve but in general it's helpful because you can quickly spot the landmarks on the figure and orient yourself into more of a "draw what you know" approach instead of just mindlessly copying.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:18:15 PM No.7591116
Draw a box
Draw underwear on top of that
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:25:29 PM No.7591124
what's the top right showing?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:26:56 PM No.7591125
>>7591082 (OP)
Any decent artist will know this.
>>7591086
>>7591100
>>7591116
begtards
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:34:47 PM No.7591136
>>7591082 (OP)
I don't know anatomy that well, but I know enough to draw figures without reference, which is fine for my objectives.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 7:42:17 PM No.7591140
>>7591082 (OP)
Yes
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:23:55 PM No.7591177
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>>7591082 (OP)
>if i ignore reality does it go away
lmao dumb fuck
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:27:14 PM No.7591179
>>7591108
>>7591100
>>7591136
the only genuine replies in the thread desu
anyway you do not need to know all that , you just need to know what basic shapes make up the hip
this is the key to drawing anything you want
want to draw a tree?
>break trunk down into shapes
>cylinder
>break branches down into shapes
>skinnier cylinders that connect to one another
>break the canopy into a shape
>can probably get away with drawing some fluff

as long as it reads as a tree you did your job, if you want to refine it from there, it is up to you
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:31:09 PM No.7591181
I refuse to think people like sargent knew any of this shit, do you guys really think sargent was poking dead bodies to see muscles and shit?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 8:53:21 PM No.7591189
>>7591082 (OP)
Top right is supposed to throw you off.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:03:25 PM No.7591194
MenRacingStudy3
MenRacingStudy3
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>>7591082 (OP)
Top left, top middle, and bottom left. Top right and bottom middle aren't really anything.

Prominences of the pelvis and great trochanter, absolutely. Knowledge of feminine fat pads further elevates your work (especially the lower ab fat), along with the quads, sartorius, hamstrings, and iliotibial band.
The wireframes are derived from the core anatomy knowledge that you internalize.

>>7591181
retard
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:05:17 PM No.7591197
>>7591179
>>break trunk down into shapes
>>cylinder
already wrong. draw a tree trunk from life.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:48:40 PM No.7591250
>>7591082 (OP)
The more convincing the better. Also, it shows the beta artists that you're an alpha artist.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:51:59 PM No.7591257
HOLY FUCK DO YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DO ROCKET SCIENCE IN ORDER TO MIX BAKING SODA AND VINEGAR GUYS? I'M GOING TO ASK ABOUT EXTREMELY ADVANCED CONCEPTS WHEN I CAN'T EVEN DRAW A FUCKING BOX. AREN'T I SUCH A GOOD BAIT? XD XD XDDDDDDDDDDD
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:53:24 PM No.7591261
>>7591082 (OP)
thats just basic anatomy
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:54:40 PM No.7591267
>>7591261
what's the advanced anatomy
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 9:57:10 PM No.7591272
>bone structure and basic surface level anatomy
>all this
this is bait right?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:08:59 PM No.7591284
>>7591267
the stuff that actually doesn't matter like inner muscles
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:13:44 PM No.7591291
>>7591267
bone marrow
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:19:17 PM No.7591302
>>7591194
>Top right and bottom middle aren't really anything.
Top right is points of flexion, middle bottom is common surface planes

ngmi
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:22:40 PM No.7591305
>>7591272
i'm starting to hope that this is some sort of weird reverse psychology bullshit
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:23:56 PM No.7591307
>>7591267
>muscles
>skeleton
>organs
>nervous system
>circulatory/respiratory system
>digestive system
is all Anatomy 101 for freshmen
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:25:04 PM No.7591309
>>7591305
Stop being so /beg/
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:44:35 PM No.7591338
>>7591086
>>7591100
>>7591108
But if a pro like this learned all of this anatomy, isn't that how I should learn to draw them?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:48:52 PM No.7591346
FbXMCN4WIAIO_f4
FbXMCN4WIAIO_f4
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>>7591108
You're just confusing him more, this Asian has more backbone than Ronnie Coleman.
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 10:58:10 PM No.7591363
>>7591082 (OP)
Not really, but it helps. 1 is helpful once you get past the basic shapes stage, then 4 and 5 are practically inseparable once you start refining your knowledge and level of detail. 2 and 3 are not necessary, but helpful to have a general overview of.
6 is just shit rendering that takes away 99% of the detail and makes all the work you put into the drawing useless. If you want to draw 6, just do a basic bitch sketch and render from there.

>>7591307
This nigger couldn't even properly tell you the characteristics of alveoli even if he searched them.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:00:36 PM No.7591367
>>7591124
ligament
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:33:34 PM No.7591409
figures3
figures3
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>>7591082 (OP)
Actually yes, unironically.
And that is one of the easiests parts muscle wise, forearms are a nightmare.
If you ever want to draw from your imagination,
knowing some bone structures such as the ASIS of the pelvis and muscles such as the quads, adductors and sartorius is essential to create a convincing figure.
Even the fat pads in your pic are important to know because they add to the form.
Picrel are some figures I made while I had this in mind.
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:35:51 PM No.7591411
>>7591409
Are those your drawings? Do you have more, Anon?
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Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:52:18 PM No.7591438
>>7591363
Why did you quote me just to randomly insult me?
Anonymous
5/31/2025, 11:54:22 PM No.7591442
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>>7591411
yep, here are some figures and the last ones I made in this post >>7590839
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 12:06:34 AM No.7591449
Start working out, you'll naturally learn the superficial muscles names and if you get body dysphoria you'll learn about the insertions and how you have shitty ones.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 12:31:42 AM No.7591486
>>7591082 (OP)
No but It's valuable information to have. You can decide how in depth you want to go in your journey.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:22:11 AM No.7591706
pixiv 14735673
pixiv 14735673
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>>7591409
>>7591442
wait is this you anon?
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:25:04 AM No.7591709
>>7591082 (OP)
In college drawing anatomy class, we had to. I gather it's what the pros learned through the 20th century for anatomical accuracy. I didn't draw much beyond that class, but in the class, it did help. Just gets you becoming conscious of skeletal structure, matching muscle structure for it, etc.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:26:37 AM No.7591711
>>7591409
>>7591442
>>7591706
why does his work feel like such a mixed bag of /beg/ and non-/beg/ elements
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:49:30 AM No.7591728
box thong
box thong
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>>7591116
thanks anon, what do I do next?
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:53:23 AM No.7591732
>>7591728
Can you draw her in doggy?
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:59:56 AM No.7591738
IMG_6693
IMG_6693
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>>7591409
I fucking love your work tittymonster anon, pic related. Keep nuking crabs and giving hope to beginners.
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:08:17 AM No.7591745
>>7591728
I love those.

>>7591738
I think those smaller figures are possible for a beg. It's just the exaggerated proportions that makes them interesting, not the technique.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:25:38 AM No.7591757
>>7591711
Because he copied another artist's symbols and skipped the understanding of the form that went into those symbols. He's obviously copying TRY.
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:40:18 AM No.7591768
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>>7591706
yes it's me
>>7591738
thanks, I surprised someone saved my old doodles
>>7591711
the thing is, you don't learn every figure drawing subject in a linear way,some things you learn better than others
also, the pics the anons posted are old
>>7591757
>skipped the understanding
Idk why you are so salty, I always said that I learned to draw girls through TRY's work
I even shill his work here all the time
and all the recent figures posted are from imagination or from a real photo
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:54:11 AM No.7591780
>>7591338
No, start with the basics.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 7:17:15 AM No.7591809
>>7591768
>Idk why you are so salty,
I know
it's because he's a nodraw faggot crab
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 7:18:44 AM No.7591811
>>7591768
>TRY
Gonna need a little more to go off that anon
why are these jappa artists so allergic to SEO
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 7:43:16 AM No.7591843
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>>7591811
He is from Taiwan but he can answer in english and has even answered questions I asked him.
Here's his twitter https://x.com/TryTrylsc
Most of his good anatomy notes are on facebook(lol) and instagram thread
Study them and I guarantee you will have good gains when drawing sexy girls
You can find his accounts through the links in the bio
Also watch his youtube videos and analyze how he uses boxes and oval shapes to build the figures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfofqoiUAg
picrel is one of his anatomy notes
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 9:51:06 AM No.7591917
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>>7591843
Thanks anon, this is super helpful, if you have anything else to post feel free to
>>7591082 (OP)
contribootin to the thread with who i think draws the most appealing anime hips and belly, fumio
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 9:52:57 AM No.7591918
>>7591442
Is a very good, upload more anon.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 4:24:21 PM No.7592111
IMG_3259
IMG_3259
md5: bd8ed7c8e0fc3debb0568f3110387919🔍
>>7591082 (OP)
>first step is drawing the outline of the hips correctly, then drawing the bones incorrectly (look at the angles the leg bones jut out at) inside the hips
No.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 4:57:13 PM No.7592125
>>7591711
retard
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:34:08 PM No.7592156
>>7592125
it's 100% true. coomer retards just tunnel vision the boobs and think it's all amazing though.
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 5:37:03 PM No.7592162
>>7592156
dumb retard
>>7592125
dumb retard

the answer is simple - some landmarks are placed as if the bodies are flat
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:57:50 PM No.7592241
>>7592162
Redline it retard
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 6:58:59 PM No.7592244
>>7592241
homework requests go here retard >>>/wsr/
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 9:51:42 PM No.7592382
>>7591082 (OP)
You can try to grasp the form without understanding its underlying structure.

It's feasible, but some anatomy knowledge will accelerate your process of learning human forms, so I don't see why you would want to avoid it.
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 10:13:41 PM No.7592407
>>7592156
>>7592162
i'm sorry you're unable to separate personal taste from your concept of skill
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 10:15:21 PM No.7592408
>>7592407
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 10:17:17 PM No.7592411
>>7592407
It's still flat retard.
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Anonymous
6/1/2025, 10:23:31 PM No.7592421
>>7592411
any other vague platitudes you got for us
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 10:30:27 PM No.7592432
>>7592411
>>7592162
what about you post your non flat work to show the boys how it's done you shitty crab
Anonymous
6/1/2025, 11:59:53 PM No.7592514
>>7592407
is this that thing where you accuse other people of doing what you yourself do
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:50:47 AM No.7592552
200w
200w
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>>7591728
Wtf????
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:51:10 AM No.7592553
>>7591082 (OP)
Cammy spotted
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:52:10 AM No.7592555
Why do you have to learn all of this? Is art just really examining what is around you in detail
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 1:05:47 AM No.7592563
>>7592514
>no u
yawn
stay mad westoids
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 2:33:38 AM No.7592677
>>7592555
No, art is capturing and communicating the subject, and without understanding it the best you can do is copy.
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 8:41:06 AM No.7592941
>>7591409
Wrong. Anyone can literally just get a reference and copy that reference. That's something you did you fucking idiot.>>7591768
That's what most artist do. Art isn't cookie-cutter.

>>7591768
Cause you're demotivating other artist and completely wrong you even contradicted yourself. You just want to flex and that's why you're the crab R E T A R D.
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 8:43:28 AM No.7592943
>>7591409
>Actually yes, unironically.
>>7591768
BTW i traced/referenced this picture of another anime girl, but yeah totally you should learn anatomy anon!
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 9:41:13 AM No.7592966
>>7592941
>Art isn't cookie-cutter
>but just get a reference and copy that reference!
is this nigga serious?
let's see what skipping anatomy does and PYW now
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 11:01:25 AM No.7592985
loomis_leg
loomis_leg
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>>7592941
>You're a crab if you say you need to study basic anatomy to draw people
Holy begtard, even fucking LOOMIS teaches that in his book
If you can't even study the basic muscles of a thigh you are too braindead to draw
Keep mindless copying without having the slightest idea of what you are observing, retard
>>7592943
Nothing was traced retard
90% of those figures you replied were from imagination except for those from real life photos for the challenge thread
I know this may be a strange concept to you but that's the way things are
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 11:12:20 AM No.7592989
>>7591124
kind of looks like bend or crease points
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:10:11 PM No.7593025
>>7592985
Either good bait or just really midwit.
Sure buddy, drawing using reference will instantly turn your brain off. You can't just look at another hip from another perspective/same pose and learn anything.
Keep smelling copium to rationalize your "hard work" studying useless shit loser.
Replies: >>7593027
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:15:56 PM No.7593027
>>7593025
loomis is wrong
vilppu is wrong
hampton is wrong
proko is wrong
steve huston is wrong
but this perma beg is right

also post your work faggot
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:19:45 PM No.7593029
David_-_The_Death_of_Socrates
David_-_The_Death_of_Socrates
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>>7592985
ACK- you needed to study loomis in 1787 to draw this!
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 12:21:31 PM No.7593030
>>7593029
>still didn't post his work
heh as expected from the permabeg retard
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 1:30:50 PM No.7593055
>>7592941
post your work nigger
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 2:05:30 PM No.7593075
>>7593029
>doesn't realize that anatomy training at the Royal Academy was much, much more rigorous than Loomis
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 2:42:37 PM No.7593091
>>7592941
based blind /beg/
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 4:20:18 PM No.7593171
stupidproportion
stupidproportion
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>>7591711
Cause guy studied anatomy just to not even follow realistic proportions.
and his face sucks the most important asset.
Overall will get mogged by someone who trace porn for a living.
Stupidest mf ever.
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 4:22:32 PM No.7593174
>>7593171
what's wrong with that? redline?
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 4:25:35 PM No.7593178
>>7593171
holy fuck can any of you at least pretend like you know what you're talking about LMFAO
Replies: >>7593185
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 4:33:41 PM No.7593184
>>7591082 (OP)
> do what I need to know what a pelvis is
t. begs
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 4:34:23 PM No.7593185
theguystudiedanatomyforthis
theguystudiedanatomyforthis
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>>7593174
smoll ahh hips or are you blind ?
>>7593178
keep drinking copium,I've never studied anatomy ever
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 4:57:23 PM No.7593198
1748562953438929
1748562953438929
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>>7593185
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:03:12 PM No.7593200
>>7593185
jesus christ the levels of dunning kruger in this post
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:04:09 PM No.7593202
>>7593185
Well done you completely obliterated the iliac crest, dunning-kruger san
Replies: >>7593239
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:26:27 PM No.7593227
>>7593185
Those hips are too small. Why'd you make her anorexic?
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:27:34 PM No.7593231
file
file
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>>7593185
smoll ahh hips
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:29:51 PM No.7593235
dc kek_thumb.jpg
dc kek_thumb.jpg
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>>7593185
>rotated the whole lower abdomen to the wrong angle
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:34:39 PM No.7593239
stupidproportion
stupidproportion
md5: 4ff34bea2645c76cde2a9aa831b5b4ca🔍
>>7593200
>>7593202
>>7593231
>smoll ahh hips or are you blind ?
kek I meant this part. But I know anon will smell his own fart he think he is right just because i got semantics wrong, that's just how midwits work.
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:43:58 PM No.7593254
jing-gi-oh-look-at-the-time
jing-gi-oh-look-at-the-time
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>7593239
motherfucka can't differentiate between hips or waist. Should go back to studying some anatomy or something lmao. lil baby needs to go draw goo goo ga ga. Does lil jimmy need a diaper change too?
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:50:54 PM No.7593259
>>7593239
>it's another krugerfag thinking stylization = bad anatomy
Holy fucking retard that's even worse, I'm convinced you're trolling now
Replies: >>7593264
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:52:23 PM No.7593262
>>7593254
speak for yourself loser go draw instead of wasting your time here, i did think i wasted my time arguing with pigeons here and paid shills
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 5:54:48 PM No.7593264
>>7593259
Ah yes study anatomy just to not use anatomy, so genius.
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 6:01:33 PM No.7593267
>>7593185
>>7593171
>muh tranny proportions women
>completely removed the waist and fused the ribcage and pelvis into a single blob
alright now I know its a low tier bait
Replies: >>7593277
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 6:06:05 PM No.7593277
>>7593267
dog it's been bait since here >>7591711
or >>7591757

maybe if people weren't retarded and just ignored the fag, then he'd be in gay baby jail. Now get back on topic people
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Anonymous
6/2/2025, 6:17:32 PM No.7593298
1722590477838349
1722590477838349
md5: cc08b1789ab0ade425976121cfc60c27🔍
>makes the crabs and troons seethe with her proportions
best waifu ever
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 6:26:09 PM No.7593318
file
file
md5: 9ec35ef95aef79210c5856cae26aeeaa🔍
>>7593277
Replies: >>7593335
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 6:29:05 PM No.7593324
>>7593277
yup thread could've ended here
>>7591086
>>7591100
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 6:35:49 PM No.7593335
>>7593318
I don't see how this applies to me
Replies: >>7593351
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 6:50:08 PM No.7593351
>>7593335
at some point it doesn't matter if it's bait or not
Replies: >>7593380
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 7:15:52 PM No.7593380
>>7593351
I'm not the guy who's been baiting tho? I just pointed out how obvious it was
Replies: >>7593402
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 7:44:27 PM No.7593402
>>7593380
yes, i'm saying it doesn't matter if they're baiting
either way replies like this >>7593239 are far too genuine of a perspective to be bait
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 7:44:31 PM No.7593403
/ic/ would be so much better if you were forced to post your work before stating your opinion
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 7:48:48 PM No.7593406
i was >>7591711 and all i was referring to was how his tits were really high quality while stuff like hands and those animals were not
the people who came in after and started saying shit like >>7593185 should have their /ic/ memberships revoked
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 8:44:30 PM No.7593445
special olympics thread holy kek
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 8:55:03 PM No.7593459
>>7593231
The only good drawing out of this whole argument and it's probably just some Vilppu copy/study.
Master studies just keep on winning.
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 9:08:34 PM No.7593477
If you want to use drawing as therapy to relax and feel happy, that's fine, BUT if you want to use drawing as a form of expression, you must learn anatomy, techniques, etc.

The answer to “Should I learn anatomy to draw x or y?” is answered by drawing x or y things. If you are happy with the result, BRAVO! If not, learn anatomy once and for all.
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 9:24:09 PM No.7593495
>>7593185
Are you aware that your drawings make people want to masturbate ??? do you have more ???
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 10:34:13 PM No.7593572
>>7591082 (OP)
If you are drawing from imagination, yes it helps to have a deep level understanding of anatomy.

If you are drawing from life or heavily referenced, no, you really only need a basic level knowledge of anatomy. Landmarks and shit. You do not need to know every single bone and muscle. And even from imagination you can get by without knowing every single bone and muscle.

Anyone who says otherwise is a lying try hard crab faggot.
Replies: >>7593576
Anonymous
6/2/2025, 10:35:30 PM No.7593576
>>7593572
Me again. And really what I'm trying to get across is that you do not need to draw hundreds of leg bones or what the fuck ever to "get" anatomy.
Anonymous
6/3/2025, 12:38:58 AM No.7593691
>>7591082 (OP)
No, just copy other artists.
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 12:07:42 AM No.7594816
cyjalway
cyjalway
md5: ccc0bc9b423e078d2a95a5ddb901f3f0🔍
I'm actually studying hips more now, I want this to be somewhat of a resource thread for hips.
The important thing is to just know the major muscles/bones. Anatomy takes a LONG while to even get a rundown on. Knowing muscles, bones, and how they interact change the appearance by even the smallest movement.
Don't be in a rush. Like what other anons said, study other artists, do copies, master studies, etc. It helps having an anatomy resource to see why the artist drew that part of the body.
Obviously, don't just copy. Make stuff from imagination so it can stick in your head.

TL;DR: study artists, copy them, make stuff from imagination, read anatomy books, etc.

Pic related is a good artist to study, he has a lot of anatomy studies that are expressive when it comes to the female body

cyjalway is pic related.
Replies: >>7594852 >>7595268 >>7597027
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 12:51:22 AM No.7594852
>>7594816
what landmarks are good to know for anime do you think? kinda asking generally but also for hips
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 6:30:15 AM No.7595268
>>7594816
Thanks for this, I was trying to find this artist earlier but kept googling "takako" and finding nothing. What does "takako" mean?
Replies: >>7596746
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 7:34:02 PM No.7596049
>>7593231
Wtf??? Is a shit
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 8:31:22 PM No.7596118
>>7591442
Square asses
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 9:30:49 PM No.7596201
>>7591409
IA shit
Replies: >>7596229 >>7596482 >>7596629
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 9:43:30 PM No.7596229
>>7596201
source: your mother ass
Replies: >>7596429
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 11:33:10 PM No.7596429
>>7596229
Source: your mother pussy
Anonymous
6/4/2025, 11:34:45 PM No.7596433
>>7591409
>>7591442
>>7591706
>>7591738
That's AI with graphite line art, pure crap, nice try, Rajesh
Replies: >>7596629
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 12:01:40 AM No.7596482
>>7596201
kys retarded and jealous spic
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 1:27:17 AM No.7596629
1744670812943443_thumb.jpg
1744670812943443_thumb.jpg
md5: 06b735425d91b4501eb2c705986b2191🔍
>>7596201
>>7596433
what kind of retardation makes this the cope mechanism of these begtards
Replies: >>7596642 >>7596647 >>7597957 >>7602180
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 1:35:24 AM No.7596642
>>7596629
Do you have any full streams of your process? I really like your stuff
Replies: >>7596671
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 1:38:52 AM No.7596647
>>7596629
>what kind of retardation
terminal inpermabegtardation
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 1:56:10 AM No.7596671
>>7596642
I have the 12min timelapse of that video(max csp can provide)
https://files.catbox.moe/csk4b8.mp4
If you want to see how a pro does it, check out the stream I posted here >>7591843
A lot of the things I do I learned by watching him.
Replies: >>7596672
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 1:57:43 AM No.7596672
>>7596671
Thanks, you got a blog or a handle?
Replies: >>7596689
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:03:09 AM No.7596677
IMG_20250605_020241
IMG_20250605_020241
md5: 7b1f68c598754593163ab0d33ad9e425🔍
I know the proportions are exaggerated but are hips bumps like this even realistic? Im not sure whats causing the bump between the crest and the top of the leg bone. Is it just bad anatomy or am i retarded?
Replies: >>7596691 >>7596710 >>7596730 >>7597090 >>7597806
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:13:50 AM No.7596689
>>7596672
at the time no, sry
I tried to post on Twitter but I got like 30 views and 0 interactions so I gave up
I have an old pixiv account but I rarely use it nowadays users/14735673
Replies: >>7596693 >>7596697
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:15:29 AM No.7596691
>>7596677
The artist is mediocre and making shit up.
Replies: >>7596699
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:16:56 AM No.7596693
>>7596689
You should keep it around just to have your stuff in one place at least, if you networked a bit more I'm sure you'd blow up
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:17:38 AM No.7596697
>>7596689
If you don't mind drawing from the same franchise a lot, just draw fanart for relatively niche fandom
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:18:39 AM No.7596699
>>7596691
My dick is telling me otherwise
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:24:47 AM No.7596710
>>7596677
He's taking a bit of a license, that would be around where the tensor fascia is but it looks more like a fat pad to round out the forms. That's my guess anyway.
Replies: >>7597147
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 2:44:07 AM No.7596730
1743223785454899
1743223785454899
md5: e020beadb4cb8c827c352c9233155817🔍
>>7596677
I believe it is the external oblique + fat pads overlapping on top of the iliac crest
at the bottom at the height of the greater trochanter, there is also a notable fat pad
you can see the fat pads in the op pic
Replies: >>7597147 >>7597806
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 3:04:46 AM No.7596746
>>7595268
https://www.fanbox.cc/@takako
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 3:18:29 AM No.7596755
>>7593239
Post the full drawing, I wanna see stupid proportions
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 5:33:41 AM No.7596928
Screenshot_2025-06-04_23-19-04
Screenshot_2025-06-04_23-19-04
md5: e3f4d1bf65e75a22d1fbbe7614832844🔍
lets see you draw these hips well. almost no good landmarks to rely on.
Replies: >>7596929 >>7597080 >>7598152
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 5:34:18 AM No.7596929
Screenshot_2025-06-04_23-18-55
Screenshot_2025-06-04_23-18-55
md5: 514b019bed59920f906b3a80be8f212b🔍
>>7596928
Replies: >>7598152
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 7:34:21 AM No.7597027
>>7594816
How many artists are taking influence from Ryo Imamura now holy jesus
it's a silent revolution
Replies: >>7597148
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 8:13:44 AM No.7597080
>>7596928
Pack reference???
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 8:22:26 AM No.7597090
>>7596677
Pear
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 9:32:00 AM No.7597147
>>7596730
>>7596710
Thanks anon
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 9:33:23 AM No.7597148
>>7597027
That looks nothing like Imamura wtf are you on about?
Replies: >>7597155 >>7598335
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 9:47:13 AM No.7597155
>>7597148
It's all in the linework, anon, seems pretty obvious to someone who's paying attention. He has other influences too but it seems like he's taking in others as of late. Don't tell me you're another artlet who lacks the pattern recognition necessary to see certain trends go in and out of fashion?
Replies: >>7598335 >>7598689
Anonymous
6/5/2025, 10:50:52 PM No.7597806
>>7596677
>>7596730
Shit like this is so helpful.
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 1:32:40 AM No.7597957
>>7596629
This is a stupid-ass question but what brush do you use? I can't find a linework brush I like
Replies: >>7598143
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 4:21:15 AM No.7598143
>>7597957
it's a hard round brush with opacity by pressure that I made on csp
https://files.catbox.moe/d1yd15.sut
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 4:31:14 AM No.7598152
>>7596929
>>7596928
This is the view I want with women but they're SOOO fucking timid. The prettier they are the less likely they allow you to go down on the hole. Also some ugly chicks are fucking disgusting, not cleaning down there. What ref pack is this, it looks familiar
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 8:13:09 AM No.7598335
1732955654657553
1732955654657553
md5: aa36a2155d1289538b077da57588bf2f🔍
>>7597148
>>7597155
And btw just to show I wasn't making shit up, here's one of cyjalway's more recent drawings.
Look at this and tell me he hasn't seen one of Imamura's pieces
Replies: >>7598342 >>7598689
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 8:22:27 AM No.7598342
file
file
md5: 2b9ccb327762ecf13c68942affc85a15🔍
>>7598335
maybe i really am a retard then, but i really don't see it in the 2022 drawing. This one's from january and the influence is clear
Replies: >>7598343
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 8:27:18 AM No.7598343
>>7598342
Yeah no that one was my mistake, you're right in that the 2022 drawing isn't a good example
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 5:14:59 PM No.7598689
>>7597155
>>7598335
So using a brush with no size dynamics is now copying Imamura? You need to take your meds, as I say this as a fan of Imamura.
Replies: >>7599258 >>7599375
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 5:38:28 PM No.7598711
>>7591768
need the ref photo
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 7:29:02 PM No.7598837
>>7591738
>>7591768
>>7591442
Looks like AI
Replies: >>7598933
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 8:33:37 PM No.7598933
>>7598837
This post looks trans
Master Wang
6/6/2025, 9:08:36 PM No.7598960
Master Wang
Master Wang
md5: d255d380b99753098d3df24dab5c7806🔍
>>7591082 (OP)
Do you need to know how a watch works to be able to tell time?
It's merely an explanation for why things are the way they are.
Loomis also teaches the same thing, albeit more simplified, but all the concepts are still there. It's all about how YOU want to learn, young grasshopper.
Replies: >>7598961 >>7599686
Master Wang
6/6/2025, 9:10:19 PM No.7598961
file
file
md5: 502e499e47002e5699f2e9b671e4ba01🔍
>>7598960
The Loomis in question.
Much more simple to understand, wouldn't you say?
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 11:17:14 PM No.7599061
>>7591738
Is AI
Replies: >>7599064
Anonymous
6/6/2025, 11:18:50 PM No.7599064
>>7599061
nah, its just copying reference, which a.i. also copies, literally just copy ref, its not that deep
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 2:24:41 AM No.7599258
>>7598689
iimamura invented the hard round brush
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 4:36:12 AM No.7599375
>>7598689
No you retard it goes beyond that.
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 4:46:59 AM No.7599379
>>7591177
smart fuck
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 8:24:03 AM No.7599519
>>7591409
Oh titty monster senpai, do you have any advice for drawing the side view of the body? Mine always come out so scuffed
Replies: >>7599581
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 10:07:19 AM No.7599581
1736576013740993
1736576013740993
md5: 4a03b275b456d328ec9e25f30e3648fc🔍
>>7599519
The important thing when drawing the side view is balance
I use what Michel Lauricella explains in his book (Morpho).
If you draw a vertical line, it should pass through the ear canal, in front of the shoulder, behind the pelvic joint and in front of the knee joint. The spine in the lumbar region will be in front of the line but will return afterwards to join the sacrum.

Here's the book
https://e-hentai.org/s/87cc66dc52/2072049-34
Replies: >>7599625
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 12:01:56 PM No.7599625
>>7599581
Thanks. Do you use head measurements or hand measurements or what? I think will weston does hands where the side view thoracic spine is 2, lumbar is 1 etc
Replies: >>7599632
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 12:42:21 PM No.7599632
1726137535199970
1726137535199970
md5: 31dd4fbb20721377a26cd10bbcfcb29a🔍
>>7599625
Head sizes on anime style figures vary wildly so I like to use the simplified form that Will Weston teaches

head+neck - pit of the neck to bottom of ribcage - bottom of ribcage to bottom of pelvis 1:1:1

legs are half of the body, and knees are half of the leg
some things like scapula and clavicle you can use the length of a hand

He teaches this in that 2 hour class that people were sharing here a few years ago, maybe someone still has it in the video course thread, but his Instagram is also full of this stuff
Replies: >>7599814
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 2:35:54 PM No.7599686
>>7598960
>Do you need to know how a watch works to be able to tell time?
Indeed. An insolent courter of death glances at a broken clock and declares the time had stopped. Much disgrace to his ancestors.
Anonymous
6/7/2025, 4:48:11 PM No.7599814
>>7599632
Love will's stuff, I think the class was Drawing America or something like that, thanks
>Head sizes on anime style figures vary wildly
While we're on the subject, what head breakdown for anime do you prefer? I was watching Try's video and it looks like he does a simple ball and cross, "hangs" the eyes off the midline, then adds a jaw and adds some mass to the ball for a skull, but idk if that's his method or he was just fixing a mistake or something. I've been looking for a "loomis breakdown" equivalent for that style of appealing anime head, lol
Replies: >>7600839
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 4:18:36 AM No.7600839
1727882074956140
1727882074956140
md5: 9902a1ed12c76e5e1e949308c9c20685🔍
>>7599814
I think TRY eyeballed the facial proportions in that video, but when he studies exclusively the proportions of the head he clearly uses Loomis.
He uses the Loomis head division of thirds(brow bone-nose-chin 1:1:1)
Here's one of his studies
Replies: >>7600840 >>7600854
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 4:19:22 AM No.7600840
1744347670660510
1744347670660510
md5: 87adee0f97a7f2d8e29cc26ea14ef11a🔍
>>7600839
another one of his studies
Replies: >>7600854 >>7602275
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 4:37:23 AM No.7600854
GJvZJGQaIAE3wkF
GJvZJGQaIAE3wkF
md5: 45349487ba3d7099a6e354b57d49a0ca🔍
>>7600839
>>7600840
Thanks, are these from his twitter or something? I'm surprised he uses the Loomis method, it looks slightly different from what he draws on twitter etc.
Interestingly the nose line seems to indicate the tip of the nose rather than the base
Picrel it looks like his method is to use a simple ball and then add to it, and the ball becomes the outline of the face or something, really interesting, probably easier to eyeball and lay down gesturally
Replies: >>7600872
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 4:46:39 AM No.7600872
1744279587911089
1744279587911089
md5: c178daf5c7987a4b2dae82cde18f7eee🔍
>>7600854
it's on his Instagram Thread
@trylsc2023
I had to create an account just to check his stuff there and found this
he has the habit of using some weird shit like facebook and insta
Replies: >>7602275
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 11:20:48 AM No.7601058
>>7591082 (OP)
Yes, but eventually it becomes intuitive, second nature.

Anyone who's telling you "no" is a beg. Pretty much, unilaterally, any good artist that has come out of this board, no matter how stylized their art is, has had an obsession with anatomy and construction.
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 11:30:37 AM No.7601061
>>7591082 (OP)
>browsing /lgbt/
>getting really dysphoric so i think ill switch to another board
>browsing /ic/
>randomly get reminded that my pelvis, musculature, and fat storage will never be that of a womans
cant win
Replies: >>7601071 >>7601078 >>7601101 >>7601129
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 11:51:57 AM No.7601071
>>7601061
How many women do you think use 4chan in the first place outside of soc and cgl
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 12:16:38 PM No.7601078
>>7601061
Maybe you should just accept the fact that you are a man
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 1:22:12 PM No.7601101
>>7601061
What compels someone like you to be so uncomfortable with the body you have? If everyone else had the necessary understanding and empathy do you think you would still feel the same?
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 1:41:19 PM No.7601111
>successfully baited 3 retards
zozzle
Anonymous
6/8/2025, 2:14:17 PM No.7601129
>>7601061
I mean I learned I'll never be a tall white man with a handsome jawline. You kinda just learn to accept it. I have no mean feelings for you, I just pity that parts of western society have become so insistent on denying realities like this for liberal clout, telling young confused boys there's a pathway to something like womanhood.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 7:58:12 AM No.7602180
>>7591082 (OP)
>>7591409
Hips are fucking hard to draw anon.

And it's strange because I feel like I have the anatomy and bone structure of the pelvis mostly committed to memory, it's just I have major issues with perspective and proportion

>>7596629
If I recall correctly, there are a lot of basedjak/sharty idiots shitting up this board for some reason. I really do appreciate your effort though, anon. It means a lot, and it's incredibly rare to find anymore.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 11:04:32 AM No.7602275
>>7600872
So you just loomisify the anime head then?
Also, it's interesting, it looks like >>7600840
the eyebrows here are at the midpoint of the face rather than the eyes, and the tip, rather than the base of the nose is halfway between that and the chin
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 9:40:05 PM No.7604262
>>7591409
I don't know, but as other anons said, it looks like AI, especially those horrible soft strokes
Replies: >>7604506 >>7604539
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 11:55:35 PM No.7604429
>>7591409
nice nikkes
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 12:42:53 AM No.7604506
>>7604262
Pyw
Replies: >>7604535 >>7604539
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 1:06:52 AM No.7604535
9e09mt
9e09mt
md5: 80b3b5108821fd175d42272607c35031🔍
>>7604506
Replies: >>7604546
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 1:08:30 AM No.7604539
>>7604262
>those horrible soft strokes
wtf does that even mean?
>>7604506
nigga obviously too pussy for that
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 1:10:36 AM No.7604541
>>7591082 (OP)
Only the bottom ones are most useful
You don't need the top ones. You're not medical student
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 1:12:11 AM No.7604546
>>7604535
a beg crab when he sees someone better than him
Anonymous
6/12/2025, 10:15:52 AM No.7606353
>>7591082 (OP)
Just look at models with bony hips.
Anonymous
6/12/2025, 9:44:20 PM No.7606944
>>7591728
fucking legend
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:12:21 AM No.7607446
>>7591409
you, i have a very important question for you. how do you adjust your lines and move them around? I saw you resized your eyes and sometimes moved other lines, how does it work? do you use vector-based line art? is that how advanced artists do that shit?
Replies: >>7607503 >>7607527
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 10:15:40 AM No.7607503
>>7607446
Do you not have tool that let you select a part of your drawing and move them around?
Replies: >>7607507
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 10:21:32 AM No.7607507
>>7607503
I have photoshop, it has that, but scaling lines up and down usually causes them to lose quality. Are artists fine with that happening to the line art? I'm assuming they use vector lines instead of raster so manipulating the lines doesn't change their quality
Replies: >>7607521
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 10:55:29 AM No.7607521
>>7607507
Just clean it up afterwards or draw big enough that it doesn't matter, at least that's what i do. It's still way faster than redrawing it.

t.beg
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:14:31 AM No.7607527
1739268947858088
1739268947858088
md5: 42f81ca6b3bbcd19cdde55efaccfcc4d🔍
>>7607446
Do you mean the resize tool?
I just select the area I want to change with the lasso tool and click on scale/rotate on CSP.
It's a normal layer(raster layer).
Idk if it's a software thing but the quality barely changes, the only thing that really fucks the lines is the liquify tool.
Replies: >>7608707 >>7608857 >>7608896 >>7612856
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 1:56:59 PM No.7608707
>>7607527
>that measuring
god almighty have mercy on us
Replies: >>7608733
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:33:36 PM No.7608733
1749154928605438
1749154928605438
md5: 8aebde4a0c70a62d765c44d7bc2b9a01🔍
>>7608707
it's just the loomis thirds of the face
Replies: >>7608761 >>7608857 >>7608896 >>7609344 >>7614527
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:08:58 PM No.7608761
>>7608733
nowhere in loomis does it tell you to place eyes on the cheek
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:05:30 PM No.7608857
>>7607527
>>7608733
Is your blog still this one anon?
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/14735673

Also, you did have a twitter account correct? You should link it on your pixiv. You should post your practice sketches too on your socials. They look good.

I always enjoy seeing your stuff on here. I'd like to use your stuff for study practice as well. And thank you for all the resources and advice you provided.
Replies: >>7608882 >>7611271
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:18:42 PM No.7608882
>>7608857
Also, what is your twitter? I forgot to ask.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:28:16 PM No.7608896
>>7607527
>>7608733
Also what is your twitter account?
Replies: >>7611271
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:10:21 AM No.7609344
>>7608733
He lacks flexibility, he looks very rigid.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:20:44 AM No.7610784
>>7591082 (OP)
The 3/4 pelvis kicks my ass.
The lilac crest when it's not visible throws me off.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 12:07:12 PM No.7611271
>>7608857
>>7608896
Yes, that's my pixiv account but I'm not using it that much recently
I tried posting on a very old twitter account that I only use to follow artists and see game news but I didn't get views
I think I'll create a new account and keep posting even if I don't get any interaction, as soon as I do it I'll post it here
Also, thanks
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 9:49:46 AM No.7612572
>>7591409
what resolution, dpi, and brush size do you draw at?
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Anonymous
6/17/2025, 6:33:19 PM No.7612856
>>7612572
5000x3600
350 dpi
Brush size 7~10
like in this pic >>7607527
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:17:10 AM No.7613272
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1744082031056163
md5: 8a90f07769dd2c824155253d4493cbdb🔍
Yes
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:31:01 AM No.7614527
>>7608733
give up