Thread 7594041

>um??? real artists use reference okay????
>point out artists who draw from imagination
>NOO DOESN'T COUNT DOESN'T COUNT

>try posing from imgaination
>it looks like shit
>look up refs
>it looks much better but now i feel like a fraud

>>7594056
that's not how you use reference tho.

>>7594068
that's why i am a fraud and should kill myself

>>7594074
master the basic from Proko anatomy video and you'll no longer feel a fraud. trust me on this. I'm not shilling btw. the only way you use reference are when the light/shadow you're trying to render on the body/subject are a bit complex.

you retards are easy to have your mind blown. what if i told you many artists who draw from imagination learned first from many references, stored since in their mind's library. what if i told you this will happen to you too

>>7594131
>what if i told you this will happen to you too
no NO PLEASE NO!! ahhh AHHHH AHHH OH GOD AHH

references are overrated
you learn much more by studying perspective and construction than by copying photos
real artists don't need references, because they understood perspective and anatomy
you don't need references to learn this, you just need to be good at analyzing

>>7594151
analyze this
*smooch*

/ic/ is genuinely full of thirteen year olds and it fucking sucks now

>>7594185
not only is the board infested, but there is no where else to go

>>7594151
pyw

>>7594041 (OP)
Before I got into drawing I thought skilled artists just spawned masterpieces from their mind. Now that I know that they're all frauds (except chads like KJG), I can never view art the same way again..

>>7594131
There is a difference between using reference for study and practice and needing one just for your daily drawings.

>>7594794
this, I feel like I'm chained to references forever. I can't draw something without reference because I only want to draw new things. If I draw from imagination, then I'm drawing something I'm experienced in drawing, which means the drawing is not new, which means I'm unhappy with it. I don't know what to do.

I also hate my art btw.

>>7594041 (OP)
There's a difference between studying references and taking parts of references and combining them...

... vs tracing 3d models and leaving it at that. Some of these artists that I thought were gods were just tracing CSP models and not showing any kind of creative decision making.

>>7594823
>I also hate my art btw
we all do

>>7594250
>Now that I know that they're all frauds (except chads like KJG)
this 100% legitimately and unironically

>>7595555
never have quads been so wrong

>>7595564
Cope.

>>7594041 (OP)
Copy the refrence. Do Studies
Then you eventually move on to using the refrence as a template because you understand anatomy and detail from your studies. It's a long process. Practice patience first.

>>7594136
That made me chuckle. Omg.

>>7594131
There is your answer. You want to draw like kim jung gi? Then draw people, cars, houses, objects, photos or real life a ton and you'll get there.

okay wise guy, how do I draw original and interesting poses WITHOUT using references?!

And no practice either, don't give me that crap. I want a real answer.

>>7598377
uhhh so you think in your mind about a cool scenario and then you draw that. cool

>>7598386
I can't think in my mind about a cool scenario

>>7598407
why do you even want to draw then?

>>7598377
who said you couldn't practice?

>mfw /beg/ tier trash actually believe you’re not an artist/you’re “cheating” if you use references

You people are the biggest fucking faggots on the planet, I swear to god.

>>7594041 (OP)
>real artists
said no one ever you fucking idiot "IT'S BLACK OR WHITE" faggot. both are fucking artists
second point that makes you braindead, the artists who draw from imagination started off with refs till they built a mental library to go without it. you gorilla double faggot

>>7598377
>>7594041 (OP)
I just trace what my imagination puts on the canvas.
It's not about "thinking" or "knowing", it's merely seeing something and aping it to the best of your technical ability.
Once I start putting stuff on the canvas, the vision I'm currently tracing can change and adapt.
I just keep tracing what my imagination currently tells me.

>>7594041 (OP)
>another nodraw/shitpost thread
Why is thread/post quality so shit recently

>>7599423
if you swim with floaties you're not a real swimmer

>>7602470
>if you swim in salt water you're not a real swimmer
>if you swim in a pool you're not a real swimmer
>if you swim downstream you're not a real swimmer
>inb4 noooooo my crutch doesn't count I don't have to swim upstream in a river just because it's not easy like what I do noooooo

>>7603086
uhuh? and I take it you're a real woman too?

anybody else just pose on their own?

I bought a (cheap )tripod and just do poses infront of it, and I think its working ok. I try to play with the poses afterwards, but use them as a base

>>7606357
works only if your physique is slim or higher, obesete will only work for other customers.

>>7606357
I have an app that lets you rotate 3d models

lol

>>7594041 (OP)
Use whatever works for you.
If using a reference makes you feel good, with a enjoying process and result, it's fine.
If drawing from imagination is enjoyable, it's fine as well.

But it's best to do both, I think.

Kim Jung Gi drew mostly from imagination, but that's after he did many studies from reference.
Even then, he did a lot of life drawings as well, and he recommended seeing docummentaries to collect reference (in your mind).

Frazetta told that he not used any reference, but that was a lie.
However, he did a lot of drawings from imagination as well, such as when he was doing thumbnails before doing the painting commisions and such.

James Gurney 90% use references, though he also construct some of those same references (such as the ones from Dinotopia).

>>7610532
>but that was a lie.
It's always a lie for people who can't pull it off, if KJG didn't record himself you'd say he's lying too.

>>7610532
Can't find the video but the best technique is to look at an image for a few seconds, then turn it off, draw as detailed as you can, then recheck it and redraw from scratch turning it off again, then repeat until they're similar. Practice enough and you should be able to draw anything after looking for only a short time.