>make mediocre art
>for a comic that isn't even well written
>make millions of dollars
Fucking HOW?

luck
/thread
fpbp

>>7594701
How do I luckmaxx?

>>7594700 (OP)
>make mediocre art
it's decent enough art, plus it's iconic and recognisable
>for a comic that isn't even well written
it's written for an audience of older adolescents and young adults who slot into an "alt" scene and are neets whose clock is slightly ticking and whose glory days are slightly behind them. of course it hit the nerdy and tumblr circles like crack
>Fucking HOW?
when's the last time you actually published a hundred page comic? now repeat that X times. now do that with a very specific target audience in mind and also manage to capture it well enough. repeat again. also luck

>>7594714
I have made 4 graphic novels, I went into massive amounts of debt for it
Publishers won't answer my calls because of my personal opinions

>>7594718
> because of my personal opinions
ok so theres your answer, step 0 is "don't alienate everyone in the industry" shame on me for not including that

White hoes that’s how

I recommend everyone visiting Fliptru, it is a brazilian website for webcomics, then you will REALLY see what is "mediocre art".

>>7594718
just stop telling people the age of consent is too high, james

>>7594700 (OP)
>make mediocre art
Debatable. His art was highly influential during SP's peak. I even suspect that a lot of that influence still ripples through the art industries now, even so far as to say that 'bean mouth' style people hate so much is thanks to SP's influence (not that it's SP's fault).

>for a comic that isn't even well written
I'd outright say this is false. Sure it's probably not aged the best, but the core idea of fighting evil exes, and the humour, the character interactions, the timely pop culture themes, there's a good reason why this comic was popular, had a movie made based on it - that also became a cult classic, and continues to be looked at fondly.

Frankly, you're just a jealous faggot. The comic isn't perfect; it's very much a 'young person's' piece of media that you'll be too old for by the time you leave high school, and the last evil ex as well as the ending were wet fart let downs, but it was a defining piece of media from the 00's, and deserves its place.
There is definitely elements of luck involved, but if the comic wasn't good, it'd never have caught on and managed the 6 volumes.

>>7594700 (OP)
I like Scott Pilgrim for the videogame aesthetics.
And the Video Game. and the movie was "ok"

I only read the first or second book.

It's sad that my followers don't like videogames and only engagement farm my ass.

>>7594730
>if the comic wasn't good, it'd never have caught on and managed the 6 volumes
I've never read SP, but Twilight and 50 Shades are both series that both sold over 150 million copies and have spawned not just movies, but movie franchises. There's a difference between being good and having an audience.

>>7594700 (OP)
Waifus

>>7594718
Maybe your novels aren’t as good as you think they are
And maybe you should keep your dumbass opinions to yourself then, genius

>>7594741
twilight isn't excellent literature, but it's not dogshit; I haven't read 50sog but its success was both in market capture and the author's previous audience catapulting her to greater fame. see toby fox and homestuck

>>7594747
>And maybe you should keep your dumbass opinions to yourself then, genius
nooooo he must ask every publisher what the proportion of jews vs gentiles on the board is

>>7594741
But they're also both universally agreed to be trash. Guilty pleasures, but trash.
I don't think anyone ever defended them and called them good.

Scott Pilgrim on the other hand has more or less universally been praised, with the best criticism I've seen for it coming from That Youtube Brain Dump Guy who has the cartoons with the gay ghost.

>>7594748
>if the comic wasn't good
>good
>not dogshit
Stop mincing words, would you say Twilight is good? You have too shelves, one labeled "good books", the other "bad books". You have Twilight in your hand and a gun to your head, where do you put the book?

>>7594754
>if the comic wasn't good, it'd never have caught on and managed the 6 volumes
>it'd never have caught on
>never

>>7594755
man im not gonna be catching strays for fucking scott pilgrim or twilight, im just saying that the common misconception of twilight as this dogshit book is usually by types who haven't read it or are reacting to the cultural phenomenon. ive read more shite books than it. retarded ass hypothetical since nothing in this world is so binary but gun to my head id put it on the good books shelf, or maybe only the first one. it's certainly scraping the lower end of good, hitting a generous 6/10, and i'm not the target audience for it so i'm not fixing to have a good time readin it

don't be such an adolescent sperg

>>7594773
You type like a nigger.

>>7594774
yes yes neat ad hominem and i bet if i posted a picture of my arm you'd go "i didnt say you WERE a nigger only that you typed LIKE a nigger" and i'll reiterate my plea for you to stop being an adolescent and to take a serious and level-headed look at your issue without resorting to sourgraping or namecalling or whatever other ninny tactic you'll come up with. or don't, i won't mind less competition in the field

Why does this board have the largest group of dunning krugers?

>>7594778
It's not an ad hominem, you literally type like a nigger, why would anyone engage you on the topic of literature?

>>7594700 (OP)
it's a charming story about having fun with your friends

>>7594785
it's an ad hominem because you're dismissing arguments or entire discussions based on irrelevant personal information rather than their content

If it please you, I could also type like this; neither set of vocabulary is genuine, in either case, primarily as I'm just not a native speaker, and so both of these written registers are ultimately a farce designed to communicate with a primarily Anglophone internet. What you're doing is fairly similar to these other examples of ad-hominem deflections: https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/ad-hominem.html

in any case, pyw, and go to behavioural therapy

>>7594795
You typing like a nigger is not irrelevant to your judgment of writing, retard.

>>7594808
talking to a midwit like you is genuinely probably beneath me and the fact that i only realised it just now is embarrassing

> no work
of course

>>7594810
Just wait until you "realise" you're a semi-literate ESL trying to discus the merits of English literature.

>appeal to teenage girls
>coomers make porn of the female ocs
>yo wtf how did the thing do the thing
dunno man gotsa be fookin magic or somethin

>>7594819
idk what the argument even is but you sound like a faggotron 9000

>>7594785
>you literally type like a nigger, why would anyone engage you on the topic of literature?
i'd genuinely listen to the opinions of the most vantablack nigga in brooklyn on any topic over the average 4shitter

>>7594718
>Publishers won't answer my calls because of my personal opinions
i think its because your work sucks and you sperg out whenever anyone disagrees with you

>>7594700 (OP)
Scott Pilgrim is what made me get interested in making art. I would carry around the first two books and copy the art because I loved it so much.

>>7594927
and yet you're here and not conversing with niggers in brooklyn, just like every virtue signaling suburban faggot

>>7594700 (OP)
Pyw

>>7594700 (OP)
art is not mediocre, its world class

you seem to think simple equals bad

>>7594718
all media publishers have been notoriously clogged up by leftist roasties for years now, anon. you may want to crowdfund it

>>7595063
Crowd funding and the retarded op will still fail. right wing fags aren’t so retarded that they will accept any garbage thrown at them.

>>7594700 (OP)
Right timing. When Scott Pilgrim came out there genuinely wasn't that much like it visually or narratively, it was fresh and novel at the time. The art isn't extremely amazing but it's competent, most webcomics have much worse than it. If Scott Pilgrim came out now I doubt it would be successful but it succeeded back then by merit of being first. I don't think it's bad it's just 'lucky'.

The artwork being kind of simple meant it was easy for people to try to emulate and make fan art of so it became influential.

>>7594700 (OP)
he was one of the first, thats all.

All you need to make a comic is composition, and Scott Pilgrim is proof
>dogshit construction
>dogshit stylization
>dogshit anatomy
>dogshit jokes
>dogshit plot
>incredible soul
>good composition and panel flow

>>7595083
There's a difference between shoving people away because political opinions and then making The Marvelous Misadventures of Black Son Man going "Fund this to own the libs".

But you're not wrong about crowdfunding typically failing. It's always worth a try within a budget but you have to have a good shout out or a specific kind of audience. I've seen two different accounts with the same amount of followers have varying results with one fan base being much more engaged and the other one not as engaged.

>>7595370
You almost lost me but pulled it in by the end

>>7594700 (OP)
you're too retarded I guess, it's connection and cash under the table.

>>7594718
then just pyw right now, if the art and story is even remotely as good as scott pilgrim, i will buy 3 books right now
no joke, will post my purchase here

>>7594758
Are you the type to never say never, anon?

>>7594718
If Scott Pilgrim is mediocre, your comics must be absolutely unreadable then.

>>7594700 (OP)
Good point, OP. Now show us all the higher quality work you've been publishing that hasn't gotten attention. I'll wait.

People here genuinely do not know what bad comic art is, the worst industry pros still run miles around the shit you see in free webcomic sites. I dont like posting their woek here because I feel sort of bad shitting on someone who is working so hard by themselves but still.

>>7595680
It's tall poppy syndrome. They see someone successful, and they're just desperate to cut them down.
They don't care about the ugly unpopular comics, because those authors are perceived to be on the same level as them.

>>7595873
>>7595680
there's no saving this board at this point, it's mainly filled with jaded dunning krugers that only blame others for their failures instead of themselves. It gets worse every passing year.

Is the joke sex?

>>7594728
That's another hurdler he managed to get over isn't it.
It was a late 20 something year old dating a 16 year old? It's a legit heebephile plot, but it was "cute" enough for everyone to look past it I supposed

>>7595899
16 is legal

>>7595899
She's apparently 17, but even in the comic his relationship is treated as something salacious; the very opening of the comic is everyone exclaiming "You're dating a highschooler!?". Though it isn't touched on too much admittedly, but Scott is supposed to be seen as a bit of a flaky scumbag, so him dating a highschooler is supposed to be a part of that.
Add on to all this, it wasn't as big of a deal back then (though still a bad thing). People know freak the fuck out over a 5 year age gap, when they're totally normal in real world relationships, so they read FAR more into scott and knives' relationship than they really should.

On another note, I always found it amusing that comic scott was a seemingly a cool guy but terrible to actually get to know, meanwhile movie scott was a massive loser who would have been a pretty cool friend.

>>7594700 (OP)
Ever heard of appeal?

>>7596001
appeal deez nuts

>>7594703
250 coin flips / day

>>7594703
Bribes, connections, bold faced lies and physical threats.


Thats all there is to get anything in life really

>>7594785
This is racism, kys white cattle

>>7595959
Is that not a thing anymore? I'm an oldfag, but there were always a couple chicks in high school dating older guys. Yeah, we thought they were gross and kind of sad, but that's just one form of shitty relationship most of us go through in our lives.

>>7597439
Yeah my friend dated a 20something year old in HS.
I don't blame the girls though, for once. The guy was a total scumbag who went after impressionable high school girls.
"I can get us a bottle"

It's like seniors dating freshman, but worse. A Freshman could be as young as 13, and a senior could be 18. They would never interact outside of school, so it's scummy, but they are technically classmates.

>>7597434
It's not racism if you're not human ;^)

>>7594720
The Industry is the one alienating conservatives.

>>7594929
You're projecting. Leftist comic pros are the spergs.

>>7594747
>>7594751
Why do conservatives have to be quite when leftards can say whatever they want?

>>7595899
>>7595959
>>7595923
Retarded normie shit. Worrying about age gaps is retarded. For a comic made by a fat Asian weeb you'd think he'd be a for it.

>>7594969
In his defense, he would probably get killed if he did.

>>7597439
>>7597457
There's nothing scummy nor sad about guys getting prime bitches, I never had this and never will most likely but good on any guy who does

>>7594700 (OP)
OP. I genuinely dont like Scott Pilgrim but you have to be retarded if you don't get the appeal in the art.

>>7597643
inb4 quite what

leftards cant say what they want either, it's a centrist capitalist's world out there brœther. in either case it's because you don't want to offend the people handing you the paycheck. if you wanna get published by leftists, don't offend them. if you wanna get published by rightists, don't offend them. simple maths. it's just that the comics industry in the west slants liberal so if you wanna make it in it you gotta be digestible

>>7597656
Explain.

>>7597653
Not even good bait my guy.
I wouldn't be surprised if andrew tate said it was cool to get teen girls liquored up to sleep with, but I don't think even the guys who do that believe it isn't scummy.

>>7597660
They literally say what they want all the time. They publish nothing but black trans anti capitalist crap (even though capitalists are funding them in the first place)

>>7597665
It should he legal to fuck prime teenagers.

>>7597667
they have more leeway, but there are still topics you can't touch as a leftist, such as palestine, or being in support of cuba/china/best korea/che's gay purges/starving ukrainians/mass piracy/gambling and prostitution bans/etc

>>7597669
it is

>>7597667
>They publish nothing but black trans anti capitalist crap (even though capitalists are funding them in the first place)
So you're saying capitalism is evil and should be destroyed

>>7597667
Lefitsts are allowed to be performatively anti-capitalist, but not actually anti-capitalist. It does not benefit leftism to portray leftists as lazy impotent navel gazers.

IDPOL is a corpo psyop, it's not leftism.

>>7597710
spreading the gospel of gucci on this godforsaken board, i see

>>7597669
I was doing that, when I was a teenager. Sorry you didn't get to experience that bro. Sometimes it's better to peak in high school, than to be balding and chase that young strange later in life. When you get them wasted on wine coolers, the sex isn't going to be nearly as tight.

>>7597715
oof, imagine having hair loss on your mind like this, must be awful having bad genetics and stressing constantly

>>7597715
If you said that to my face I'd throw away all notions of civility and beat your face in and then stomp on your joints till they're blown out, then you can spend the rest of your life half crippled while I'm still able to walk and tell me which one of us had a higher peak, and which was worth it

>>7597717
>imagine having hair loss on your mind
That's the thing about hair loss, it isn't.
Sorry.

>>7597727
did that make more sense in your head, esl?

>>7597732
>not getting a clear as day pun about hair being on your head
You'd be better off calling me a nigger or something, but missing an obvious pun and assuming it's the other guy who doesn't speak English? That's fucking rich lmao I needed that

>>7597737
that's why I asked, pablo, because in english that pun doesn't make sense
a native wouldn't take the word mind to refer to a head

>>7597737
I'm the other guy and your "joke" really doesn't work the way you think it does, faggot. Again, I'd hurt you physically if you got mouthy

>>7597727
>>7597737
>imagine having hair loss on your mind
>That's the thing about hair loss, it isn't.
>it (hair loss) isn't on your mind
Even if we go with head, your """"pun"""" makes zero sense

>>7597737
I'm not sure you know what a pun is.

>>7597746
I mean I got the "pun" because it reminded me of that norm macdonald joke about bob sagat but I'm an oldfag

>>7597774
I understand what he was going for, but it's not a pun. If the original statement was
>imagine having hair on your mind
I could give it a pass, but it really does read like there were several layers of ESL between the setup and the joke

>>7595461
>No reply
Of course, kek

>>7597801
I don't want to degrade my work by associating it with this place

predictable

>>7597807
and yet you spend all day here, faggot
just post it, censor sensitive stuff if you care so much.

>>7597807
You mean by associating it with your takes here

>>7594700 (OP)
2003 was a different time. it's like asking how the guys who made wegs when f95 was a brand new website are raking in 10K+ a month when modern wegs of similar quality would struggle to get a couple hundred bucks a month.

>>7594703
here you go

>>7598048
>2003 was a different time
True
>captcha: RMSSP8
Richard M Stallman spate on the floor
Proprietary dev? Fucking WHORE

>>7595639
DAFUQ??!?!? o_0

>>7597807
im literally gonna give you money for your work
something you are nagging about and crying over because publishers or whatever aint interested

the truth is you are a pussy, you suck, your art sucks and you will NEVER, EVER make it

losers like you will only cope over the work of other artists

thank you for proving my point

>>7598351
oh and also the offer isnt on the table anymore
fuck you

I didn't like the Netflix reboot
The comic was okay, like a 7/10

>>7598048
this. If the me right now had a time machine and went back to 2003, I'd be even bigger than O'Malley. And I wouldn't even copy stories that don't exist yet. I could just draw my own original stuff.

>>7598360
Lol, this one felt personal, like anon was felt insulted personally for not seeing work being posted

>>7598351
I'll take the moni. tell me whatcha need.

>>7598151
fucking well put. all these cucks talking about luck meanwhile they've never put in effort anyway

>>7594700 (OP)
I bet you think Peanuts is mediocre art too.

>>7598151
just world fallacy, post discarded.

>>7598151
What does the ending story means?

>>7595083
>right wing fags aren’t so retarded that they will accept any garbage thrown at them
uh, yes they are, lol

>>7598151
Incorrect. I am very lucky even though I do jack shit all my life.

>>7595370
I think the high concept premise helps as well

>>7594700 (OP)
You know I'm curious, what do BLOM's fundie practices look like? Obviously SP is very stylized, so I wonder if he too drew gestures and boxes like the rest of us

>>7597801
If that anon isn't going to post anything I'll post my friend's comic which I think is quite good.

https://cityofthesun.cfw.me/comics/3/

A couple of one-shots

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/topnugg/demon-s-funny-burger

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/topnugg/funny-burger-fishing

>>7599194
does your friend do anything other than manga

>>7599197
Not sequentially; if it's not your kind of thing nbd

>>7599194
Huh, I'd seen those comics before, I wonder where?
Anyway, your friend is good, hope they keep at it - I'm sure they're thrilled to receive a compliment from some random asshole on 4chan.

>>7594700 (OP)
>make millions of dollars
wouldn't be to sure of that. The money he got from the scott pilgrim movie was enough to buy a house but thats far from millions of dollars

>>7599700
>The money he got from the scott pilgrim movie was enough to buy a house but thats far from millions of dollars
Sure, but the movie was a flop. His comics, which would be far bigger earners for him, are likely consistently selling well - they'd be akin to the bone series, or watchmen, in terms of consistent sales; they've become must-reads of the comic world.
And that's not even factoring in merch, or other media, such as the animated series, or the videogames.

So yeah, I'd say that series has him set for life - but he's still making comics and things, so good on him, even if you hate his work.

>>7597807
yuh huh, and yet you out yourself saying you've made something and now are unwilling to show it. Fuck off
>>7594819
>seethes at "realise"
>probably saw the red squiggle line underneath it
>automatically assumes its wrong despite being the older spelling for it
you're an aggressive faggot that no one here takes you seriously or in good faith

>>7599868
>which would be far bigger earners for him,
lol
I think you are vastly overestimating the size of the english comic market.

>>7594700 (OP)
System needed something to promote chasing after used goods.

>>7601084
manga hadn't yet made massive inroads into it 15-20 years ago, so I figure there might've been a good streak of sales for at least a few years

>>7594700 (OP)
i want kim pines to step on my face with her bare feet.

Some advice my old man gave me.

"In whatever industry you want to get into its never going to be What you know... Its going to be who you know."

Scott pilgrim isint bad at all... its dedicated fanbase is proof of that but it seems he got in front of the right people and had the right connections to be seen in the first place. Plenty of comics got picked up because of artists connections and went nowhere cause they weren't all that interesting. Plenty of amazing comics will never be discovered because the artist isolates themselves and chooses to try to be independent.

simple as that.

>>7594700 (OP)
Americans and Canadians have shit tastes

>>7601084
I think you're vastly underestimating it. There are entire multimillion dollar industries where their entire bread and butter is comics, and that's not even including manga.
If we do include manga, that just goes to show that there is indeed a large English market for comics - why else would manga come to the English speaking world?

Now, assuming that comics is viable in the English market, and assuming we agree that Scott Pilgrim is a cult classic of comics (regardless of your own personal opinions on it), then yes we can safely assume Brian Lee O'Malley is continuously making bank from those comics.

>>7605397
> There are entire multimillion dollar industries where their entire bread and butter is comics
which ones? there's relatively little direct sales of comics, a lot of the money in the comic-adjacent world is just in licensing

>>7605414
>Industries
Whoop, my bad, I meant companies rather than industries. I'll leave what I was typing out initially before I reread your post and realised my mistake, just in case you're curious about that.
But if we're talking industries, just translating manga alone is probably a multi-million endeavor, as well as that tat for that stuff; and if we look at children's comics and regular comics separately, which the industry often does, that again is two multi-million dollar industries; again, if we talk merch, the merch for comic properties (outside of movies) is probably in the millions as well - even before the marvel movies became big, comic merch and figurines were are booming industry (I'm sure a lot of that is licensing, but that still lifts up, or perhaps is even the main support, of an industry).
I'm sure there's others, but I'll leave it there.

--

A lot of Scholastic's work is comics, and are a big part of the market; Penguin Random House; Fantagraphics; boom studios; Oni Studios (I believe they've been bought up by a company buying up many smaller comic studios, but that just benefits my point); I already said the manga industry in the English speaking world, because yes, those are comics, don't be a retard and try to claim otherwise; and while they're tanking themselves and hopefully die soon - Marvel and DC are still dealing in the millions (though probably more so in losses).
So there are plenty of companies that are dealing in the millions (and most, successfully), which I think proves the point that it's a successful market.

>>7596027
I got 77 heads and 173 tails.
Does that mean I'm luckmaxxed?

>>7599194
>https://cityofthesun.cfw.me/comics/3/
it's actually good, didn't expect that from a post on 4channel

>>7599194
>https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/topnugg/funny-burger-fishing

dude, unironically I'd buy a copy of this, it's very good and actually funny. Tell your friend he should do more advertising.

Is art education in Canada that good? His artstyle is so good and simple.