Openness - closeness is a personality trait that determines how open to new thing you are, and its highly linked to weather you like abstract and avant-garde art. Its why the argument goes no where, you're trying to use facts and logic to move someones baseline genetics

This is retarded. Anons should just go read some Harold Speed's the practice and science of drawing. Probably the only art theory book you'll ever need.

Art is expression - this is an objective definition. It doesn't matter if somebody thinks something is art or not, because the definition doesn't rely on the judgment of a third party.

If a person is using their opinion of a work to claim that it is or isn't art, they don't really understand art.

It's also a waste of time to try to convince anyone to like something they don't like, but you don't need genetics to make that point - it's just their prerogative to like or dislike something.

>>7600243 (OP)
Counterpoint:
I used to consider it not-art and now I do.

It just required more learning and dealing with correcting the fundamental contradictions and errors in my worldview/assumptions about reality.

>>7600243 (OP)
glownigger funding determines if you consider that art

>>7600243 (OP)
I don't consider it art and I don#t care to debate me.

The implication that i lack openness is just a linguistic mirage and doesn't scare me. It's manipulation. The word "thoughtlessness" would be an equally valid and poor fit..

>>7600373
>glownigger funding determines if you consider that art
nigger i wish the goverment was paying me each time i have the misfortune of seeing a retarded post like yours online

>>7600324
Art is a broad term that people like to hide behind. The better discussion would be the work’s merit as a painting but most people don’t know enough about painting to have that discussion. So they just fall back to the “if I like it it’s art” argument.
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Yes, Pollock’s work is art btw

If anything abstract art is a test on how socially compliant and brainwashable you are. Do you agree it's art? Good boy, what an obedient and compliant little fuck you are, here's a nice mark on your test, I bet we can get you to agree with anything else we want. Most importantly, you can't be starting revolutions if you're going to agree with the stupidest shit we push on you and we like that

>>7600401
>i wish i was a glownigger welfare leech
whoa, shocking

>>7600424
every single day this reddit history fact gets less relevant to current year art. nigger the cold war was 75 years ago, is that really why you cant draw??

>>7600324
Definition is agreement among a language group to categorize things. Definitions are not objective they sit on top of reality to simplify it.

>>7600455
it's why pollcuck couldn't

>>7600419
That's a trait called Agreeableness, if its high you are a much nicer person to get along with but aren't in control, If your more disagreeable you don't work well with others but can get more of what you want.

I do consider Pollock art, and abstract art liberated my mind when I was in a creative rut a while back. More anons should look at it for inspiration.
That said, I've never cared much for Pollock and at this point I've seen his paintings in person even, and still don't like them. Rothko too. Don't go thinking you have to like a piece of art just because it's art. Clyfford Still, a contemporary and friend of Pollock and Rothko, used to bully the fuck out Rothko for making shitty crap, but he liked Pollock to the end. I'd take Clyff over either but he's not my favorite either.
Personally I want to see abstraction that pays attention to positive and negative space, that has, you know, a focal point, some notion of composition; instead of Pollock's great big sloppafests that are supposed to be impressive on the basis of their "randomness" and "process" (i.e. muh action painting).
Half the fun is finding out your personal taste.

>>7600243 (OP)
not that I necessarily agree with it, but there is an underlying philosophy of art like this. the point is to provoke a reaction, whether good or bad. when you respond to it, even if it's with disgust, it's justified its existence from the artist's perspective. the mark of death for any picture is when the viewer feels nothing at all.

>>7600467
there is also the trait Gregarious which gives my CK2 character a +2 to diplomacy and +5 to vassal opinion

>>7600373
>>7600424
It's shit art but it's still art to a lot of people. What the CIA did was artificially inflate the demand for it. They could do the same thing to hypermuscle art.

>>7600410
The issue is moreso people who don't see something as art not being willing to accept the reality other people do see it as art (and vice versa). These stances can coexist among different people but it does prevent discussing it as-art if someone doesn't see it as such.

>>7600419
That's more about if you think it's good art, which can still be subject to just personal experience. But it is more often just accepting the "right opinions" which is an agreeableness thing. Elites intentionally prefer incomprehensible unaesthetic stuff because it allows them to keep firm cultural divides between themselves and the commoners, but they're unwittingly making the populace lose empathy for them from how detached and subhuman they act lol

It also I think is part of the idea that you have to be "special" to be an artist, since frequently abstract art is made by actual schizophrenics and people whose brains are fried by drugs. Keeps that narrative going so that the whole art scene is the equivalent of a circus showing off all the freaks. And then art-writers have more to BS about in their articles and research papers.
Because
>I played around with the paints and found an effect I liked. I think layering them this way gives some more depth and from across the room it looks almost like it's standing off the canvas.
Is less esoteric than
>This was made in a fit of frustration and I started yelling random things and then I remembered my mom getting me an ice pop one summer so I tried to channel the rage at the fact that she let my uncle touch me 2 years later when she fucking knew so thats why there's this blue here and red there it's that icepop made into tears boring into your brain and makes you see the representation of my broken hymen

>>7600660
what an artist would say vs what his agent would tell him to say.

>>7600243 (OP)
I like abstract art. I hate people were psyoped into thinking it's some mark of genius thus worth $100000000000.

>>7600668
What an artist would say vs what a mentally ill hobo artist (that the agents act as more like a handler for than an intermediary) would say.

Artists were, sadly, the prototype for the DEI hires.

>>7600243 (OP)
Everything a person does as a form of expression is art, I don't know why people try so hard to protect the term. Art can be with or without merit and it can or can not appeal to you personally, but even a 3 year old's scribbles of a yellow shining sun over some stick figures is art.

But then I also unironically like William Anastasi's work so maybe I'm retarded

>>7602207
that's art like packing bricks onto a pallet is construction, but at least you're self aware

>>7600331
kike post.